CanadaSaint Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 The problem with controversial people is that their personality flaws can obscure their other qualities, and such is the case IMO with Cortese. For me, he has a towering ego and a bad case of "small man syndrome" coupled with its usual side-effect - a desire to use a position of power as a platform for bullying and rudeness. I suspect that he's not a very nice person at all, and a side-effect of that is that he has made enemies among people who have the media's ear; MLT, Benali and Lawrie Mac are just examples. Frankly, I don't like him much at all. But these things don't make him a bad PL chairman any more than Ronaldo's petulance and self-centered arrogance make him a lousy player. When it comes to running this club he really hasn't made many serious mistakes, and (dreadful timing and PR aside) he may not have made one today - unless the period of judgment is measured in hours and the thought process consists of uninformed knee-jerk emotion. I'll withhold my judgment because I don't know enough - either about things that happen behind the club doors or the capabilities of the new manager. One thing I do know, though, is this: today's actions are not those of a man who is planning on leaving within the next few months. He's here for the long term, and people might as well get used to his rather obnoxious personality and the things that go along with it. All we can do is hope that he mellows with time and that his judgment takes us where he wants us to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 I am niether Pro or Anti Cortese but the fact is he is the man in charge, the man who the buck stops with. Obviously he thinks this is the right decision and only time will tell if he is right or wrong. IMO Nigel has done a great job for us and we should be eternally grateful to him. But now it is time to move on with the new man, We should support him and see what happens in this second half of the season. If we get relegated then Cortese got it wrong and that is then time to vent the anger, If we survive and maybe finish in the top half of the table then all this will be justified and again Cortese would have got it right. Love or hate Cortese it doesn't matter because so far his record with the Saints is pretty impresive. Time to stop the anger and support the new man and the team. Thanks for everything Nigel, hope you are soon working & winning again. It's not just the sacking though, it's the timing and how it was done. Incredibly unfair to Nigel at this time and reportedly not telling him before he saw it on the TV is disgusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 It's not just the sacking though, it's the timing and how it was done. Incredibly unfair to Nigel at this time and reportedly not telling him before he saw it on the TV is disgusting. However will we deal with this disgust! The sooner we get relegated the better, such a ****ty club don't deserve this league hey hippo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintstr1 Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 It's not just the sacking though, it's the timing and how it was done. Incredibly unfair to Nigel at this time and reportedly not telling him before he saw it on the TV is disgusting. I dont disagree with you but the bottom line is _ Cortese's Ball, Cortese Rules , as I say only time will tell if he is right or wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 I dont disagree with you but the bottom line is _ Cortese's Ball, Cortese Rules , as I say only time will tell if he is right or wrong Cortese has only got one ball. Porchettino has two but very small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Stickman Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 The problem with controversial people is that their personality flaws can obscure their other qualities, and such is the case IMO with Cortese. For me, he has a towering ego and a bad case of "small man syndrome" coupled with its usual side-effect - a desire to use a position of power as a platform for bullying and rudeness. I suspect that he's not a very nice person at all, and a side-effect of that is that he has made enemies among people who have the media's ear; MLT, Benali and Lawrie Mac are just examples. Frankly, I don't like him much at all. But these things don't make him a bad PL chairman any more than Ronaldo's petulance and self-centered arrogance make him a lousy player. When it comes to running this club he really hasn't made many serious mistakes, and (dreadful timing and PR aside) he may not have made one today - unless the period of judgment is measured in hours and the thought process consists of uninformed knee-jerk emotion. I'll withhold my judgment because I don't know enough - either about things that happen behind the club doors or the capabilities of the new manager. One thing I do know, though, is this: today's actions are not those of a man who is planning on leaving within the next few months. He's here for the long term, and people might as well get used to his rather obnoxious personality and the things that go along with it. All we can do is hope that he mellows with time and that his judgment takes us where he wants us to go. Excellent appraisal of the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didcot Saint Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 Noodles, I hope your right, NC so far has had us celebrating two promotions, it is obvious that he his fiercely determined to bring SFC greater success. But. The way he is doing it is leaving a very sour taste in the mouth and even me the most ardent passionate fan who lives and breathes SFC, had a season ticket for over 25 years is considering whether I actually want to support saints anymore. Please tell me I'm wrong mate because I just don't get what happened yesterday, I think that human beings like NA do not deserve what NC did, it is just simply wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 One has a feeling this will be a long thread but not with many Cortese followers placing their support........................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 There's certain things about most of our fan base's thoughts on Cortese that I can't get my head round. They sing about Marcus Liebherr, they go on about what a wonderful man he was, how he ran his business on a real ethical basis, yet he was the one who appointed NC, was a friend to NC. Did Cortese change after ML die, did he hide his real evil side from ML, or was ML fully aware of NC's personality and NC has been like he is now all his working life. I would suggest it was the later, that ML was a hard nosed businessman, who believed that NC was the best man to run Southampton FC . Onto his record. There is not anybody who can seriously say this is not impressive. Whatever people say about Nigel's 2 promotions in two years, applies to NC. His choice over managers, impressive. His funding of transfers, impressive, his commitment to the academy, impressive. Fineally, the sacking of Nigel Adkins. He obviously felt that he could get somebody else in, somebody who was better, he obviously felt that Nigel was not quite up to the task. Subsittute Adkins for Hammond, and NC for Nigel Adkins and what's the difference? The only difference I can see is that Nigel was given half a season to see if he could match NC ambitions, whereas Deano was shipped out before even getting the chance. Football's a ruthless game, when Rickie Lambert's time is up, it's up. Do we expect the Manager to keep him out of sentiment, to keep him out of respect for 2 promotions, or would you expect the Manager to make the decision to shift him. Please do not confuse this defense of Cortese as an attack on Nigel Adkins. I'm extremely sad that Nigel has lost his job, he appeared to be a fantastic fella, and I would have kept him had the decision been mine. What I object to is the vilification of Cortese, some of the language used towards Cortese and quite frankly some of the bitterness towards him. His record deserves a bit of respect, he's done as much, if not more for this club, than Marcus and Nigel.I dont expect people to sing about him (that's a bit sad), but he has enough crdeit in the bank to have his decisions judged after a length of time and not before a ball has been kicked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 There's certain things about most of our fan base's thoughts on Cortese that I can't get my head round. They sing about Marcus Liebherr, they go on about what a wonderful man he was, how he ran his business on a real ethical basis, yet he was the one who appointed NC, was a friend to NC. Did Cortese change after ML die, did he hide his real evil side from ML, or was ML fully aware of NC's personality and NC has been like he is now all his working life. I would suggest it was the later, that ML was a hard nosed businessman, who believed that NC was the best man to run Southampton FC . Onto his record. There is not anybody who can seriously say this is not impressive. Whatever people say about Nigel's 2 promotions in two years, applies to NC. His choice over managers, impressive. His funding of transfers, impressive, his commitment to the academy, impressive. Fineally, the sacking of Nigel Adkins. He obviously felt that he could get somebody else in, somebody who was better, he obviously felt that Nigel was not quite up to the task. Subsittute Adkins for Hammond, and NC for Nigel Adkins and what's the difference? The only difference I can see is that Nigel was given half a season to see if he could match NC ambitions, whereas Deano was shipped out before even getting the chance. Football's a ruthless game, when Rickie Lambert's time is up, it's up. Do we expect the Manager to keep him out of sentiment, to keep him out of respect for 2 promotions, or would you expect the Manager to make the decision to shift him. Please do not confuse this defense of Cortese as an attack on Nigel Adkins. I'm extremely sad that Nigel has lost his job, he appeared to be a fantastic fella, and I would have kept him had the decision been mine. What I object to is the vilification of Cortese, some of the language used towards Cortese and quite frankly some of the bitterness towards him. His record deserves a bit of respect, he's done as much, if not more for this club, than Marcus and Nigel.I dont expect people to sing about him (that's a bit sad), but he has enough crdeit in the bank to have his decisions judged after a length of time and not before a ball has been kicked. I'd suggest you ask yourself why, after all the positive things that have happened under NC, why many fans have no time for him. There is a lot more to a football club than just winning games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didcot Saint Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 There's certain things about most of our fan base's thoughts on Cortese that I can't get my head round. They sing about Marcus Liebherr, they go on about what a wonderful man he was, how he ran his business on a real ethical basis, yet he was the one who appointed NC, was a friend to NC. Did Cortese change after ML die, did he hide his real evil side from ML, or was ML fully aware of NC's personality and NC has been like he is now all his working life. I would suggest it was the later, that ML was a hard nosed businessman, who believed that NC was the best man to run Southampton FC . Onto his record. There is not anybody who can seriously say this is not impressive. Whatever people say about Nigel's 2 promotions in two years, applies to NC. His choice over managers, impressive. His funding of transfers, impressive, his commitment to the academy, impressive. Fineally, the sacking of Nigel Adkins. He obviously felt that he could get somebody else in, somebody who was better, he obviously felt that Nigel was not quite up to the task. Subsittute Adkins for Hammond, and NC for Nigel Adkins and what's the difference? The only difference I can see is that Nigel was given half a season to see if he could match NC ambitions, whereas Deano was shipped out before even getting the chance. Football's a ruthless game, when Rickie Lambert's time is up, it's up. Do we expect the Manager to keep him out of sentiment, to keep him out of respect for 2 promotions, or would you expect the Manager to make the decision to shift him. Please do not confuse this defense of Cortese as an attack on Nigel Adkins. I'm extremely sad that Nigel has lost his job, he appeared to be a fantastic fella, and I would have kept him had the decision been mine. What I object to is the vilification of Cortese, some of the language used towards Cortese and quite frankly some of the bitterness towards him. His record deserves a bit of respect, he's done as much, if not more for this club, than Marcus and Nigel.I dont expect people to sing about him (that's a bit sad), but he has enough crdeit in the bank to have his decisions judged after a length of time and not before a ball has been kicked. I agree with most of that, but I don't care how successful NC has made SFC he is an arrogant bigoted vile little ****wit and I don't want the like of him at our club. End of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 (edited) I'd suggest you ask yourself why, after all the positive things that have happened under NC, why many fans have no time for him. There is a lot more to a football club than just winning games. Apparently, to many, that is all that matters. I love SFC, always will, but I certainly don't like what its become. Edited 19 January, 2013 by View From The Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 Uncle Nic is still my very favourite Uncle.. Sad to see Nigel Adkins go. Support the Saints. Win against Everton and get another valuable 3 points. Hope Mauricio Pochettino is a huge hit and takes us onwards and upwards. Uncle Nic Cortese has done a brilliant job so far.. For Saints sake...I do hope you are right about our own POOCHY.. COYS:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 I'd suggest you ask yourself why, after all the positive things that have happened under NC, why many fans have no time for him. There is a lot more to a football club than just winning games. I would suggest that having had no dealings with him themselves, their minds have been made up for them. If he's that evil why do they sing about the man who put him in charge. Or are you trying to say that Marcus didn't really know his personality or that NC was a top bloke, who changed once Marcus died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mmm Donuts Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 Was this solely Cortese's decision? He isn't the owner of the club and presumably had to consult the owners before this went ahead. Now I've calmed down, there must be some good reasons this happened, but we are not privy to them and perhaps never will be. I think (perhaps) this reminds many of us the precarious nature of our own employment and how none of us are ever dispensible. Perhaps this is one reason we don't like it. I don't know enough about the new manager to decide whether or not it is a massive gamble to go with someone new to the English game. Time will tell. However, for whatever reason the relationship between chairman and manager had broken down. That was not the recipe for long term success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Rabbit Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 I'm not at all happy at the sacking, the manner and the timing.... All appalling and will probably take us a long time to get over, which will be detrimental to the team and probably ar5e ***** us at the end of the season... However, if the vision and new appointment works (as it did previously Pardew > Nige) and we're knocking on Europe's door next season, then I think I can forgive and forget... It's modern football...it's sh1t but it happens . If it doesn't work, we are ****ed and its completely his fault =) it's his decision which he thinks is in the long term interests of the club. He hasn't got much wrong on the footballing front really has he.... Trip to Wembley, 2 promotions, cult players in the squad, record exciting signings. ill wait and see how this one pans out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingbattigger Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 The end does not justify the means. I am not and never have been one for success at any price, I want a club I can be proud of. I don't have that and winning any amount of trophies will not give me that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 There's certain things about most of our fan base's thoughts on Cortese that I can't get my head round. They sing about Marcus Liebherr, they go on about what a wonderful man he was, how he ran his business on a real ethical basis, yet he was the one who appointed NC, was a friend to NC. Did Cortese change after ML die, did he hide his real evil side from ML, or was ML fully aware of NC's personality and NC has been like he is now all his working life. I would suggest it was the later, that ML was a hard nosed businessman, who believed that NC was the best man to run Southampton FC . Onto his record. There is not anybody who can seriously say this is not impressive. Whatever people say about Nigel's 2 promotions in two years, applies to NC. His choice over managers, impressive. His funding of transfers, impressive, his commitment to the academy, impressive. Fineally, the sacking of Nigel Adkins. He obviously felt that he could get somebody else in, somebody who was better, he obviously felt that Nigel was not quite up to the task. Subsittute Adkins for Hammond, and NC for Nigel Adkins and what's the difference? The only difference I can see is that Nigel was given half a season to see if he could match NC ambitions, whereas Deano was shipped out before even getting the chance. Football's a ruthless game, when Rickie Lambert's time is up, it's up. Do we expect the Manager to keep him out of sentiment, to keep him out of respect for 2 promotions, or would you expect the Manager to make the decision to shift him. Please do not confuse this defense of Cortese as an attack on Nigel Adkins. I'm extremely sad that Nigel has lost his job, he appeared to be a fantastic fella, and I would have kept him had the decision been mine. What I object to is the vilification of Cortese, some of the language used towards Cortese and quite frankly some of the bitterness towards him. His record deserves a bit of respect, he's done as much, if not more for this club, than Marcus and Nigel.I dont expect people to sing about him (that's a bit sad), but he has enough crdeit in the bank to have his decisions judged after a length of time and not before a ball has been kicked. Cortese has indeed been a major part in our success, and it is foolish to say our bouncing back has had nothing to with him. But just like with others, I don't see it as an either or situation. Granted you sometimes have to be a barsteward to get success, but for me the Club is much more than just winning games (although of course winning games will make things much easier!!!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 The end does not justify the means. I am not and never have been one for success at any price, I want a club I can be proud of. I don't have that and winning any amount of trophies will not give me that. Yep. Some cannot see that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 The end does not justify the means. I am not and never have been one for success at any price, I want a club I can be proud of. I don't have that and winning any amount of trophies will not give me that. Totally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 The end does not justify the means. I am not and never have been one for success at any price, I want a club I can be proud of. I don't have that and winning any amount of trophies will not give me that. Exactly that. Certain posters on here would accept absolutely anything for the merest sniff of the Champions League, sums up everything that is wrong with modern football! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panda Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 I am as sorry as anyone to see Nigel go but not surprised. Now he has gone he seems to have taken on a god status but just look back at the threads on this forum and many who are now abusing NC were criticising Nigel's transfers, both in and out, his team selections, his tactics, his substitutions, even his post match interviews. Re-read the Chelsea build up thread and the match thread (up to half time, the tune changes after that for some reason). Three years ago, when NC took over, like any good business man he had a vision and a plan and many scoffed at what he was suggesting was possible. His first objective was to get out of div 3, pass through div 2 and back to the top flight within five years. He looked for the man he believed could do that and when had had found him he paid up Pardew's contract and brought in Nigel. I have absolutely no doubt that NC made it clear to Nigel from the start; "Take us to the Prem Nigel and I will make you a very rich man but I make no promises of what happens after that." Nigel delivered on the contract and has been rewarded well for doing so. He will have been paid the full value of his contract without having to work further for it. NC's plan does not stop at being in the Prem, for most of the fans it seems to! Like last time we see survival as our only realistic hope and our experience shapes our expectations. NC does not carry that baggage around with him; to him we are only half way to the target. Once back in the Prem, we all cheered and said "job done - we are home again." Not so for NC, the job is not done and he needs to drive on towards the goal he, and probably the financiers, have set. This change of manager is not a sudden, reckless decision. He has been looking for the man he believes can deliver the next phase of development for some time, certainly since last summer. He will have had a lot of work done to find the right man, this is not just a knee-jerk reaction to failure this season (as with other recent sackings) but part of carefully planned strategy. Now he has found that man he has implemented the next part of the plan. As fans we are emotionally involved with our club and that is why fans can't run clubs (as we found with Mike and Leon, PDT take note!). NC is detached and is focused on delivering success. Obviously the fans will see things very differently to NC but none of us know much about him because he is not a public figure. He has received a lot of abuse and a lot of 'facts' have been made up about him to the degree he is now seen as some sort of deranged dictator. Nigel has been well aware that he was not part of the next phase for some time. He has done his job and done it well and, as I said above, he has been rewarded well for it. NC wants to move on, we have no choice but to go with him! I think some of the things that have been said, in ignorance, of NC are shameful and much of what I have read about the new man on here is probably ill informed. However, that to me, sums up this forum these days; hypocrisy abounds and it is why I have joined the 'lurkers' looking for news and trying to avoid the nasty insults and continual bickering that goes on. No doubt I will receive my share for this but, hey, that's the Saintsweb! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 The end does not justify the means. I am not and never have been one for success at any price, I want a club I can be proud of. I don't have that and winning any amount of trophies will not give me that. So you think the Manager should stick with players he doesn't believe are good enough for sentimental reasons? What about Kelvin, great story, from turning down West Ham to captaining us through the leagues to redeem himself in the Premiership. In Nigel's eyes he wasn't quite good enough, so he ditched him, same with Deano. NC doesn't feel Nigel is quite good enough, but has to keep him so you can be proud of the club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 This has been one of the most level-headed and thoughtful threads on this forum and there seems to be a surprising amount of consensus; agreement that NC has got it pretty well spot on as far as taking the club forward is concerned but reservation about the way it has been done and the people and others he has upset on the way. It reinforces the feeling that he is here for the long haul but there is a nasty feeling that he has the ethics of a Lance Armstrong. To his credit he does not seem to seek so much limelight or to claim the credit but just gets on with his ruthless vision. This can be admired but is so different from what we have been used to. It's taking time to adjust to this new way but I guess most of us will; it's just going to take us older ones a bit longer than those younger. We will probably be able to boast about our 'club' on an a near-equal basis with the 'top 5' but we will not be able to do it with pride and only our memories of the good old days as an underdog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 Sure Mr Cortese has major flaws and, in my opinion, lacks humility. However, let us not forget he is the person who has come to our club with the ambition, motivation and obsession in taking this club forward to new heights. So far he is “achieving” that dream. His ruthlessness may not endear him to many supporters or the media but at least we know what we have got Mr Adkins was managing a small time club and Cortese offered him a chance to use his undoubted talent to develop into a Manager many think could be a future England Coach. He would not have got that recognition managing his previous club. Adkins leaves with a much enhanced CV, decent money in his pocket and in many eyes a successful Premier League Manager. His reputation is still on the up. He did not fail. Adkins has all the qualities Cortese lacks and I am sure he will be the first to wish Southampton Football Club and the players every success for the future. He can look back with pride at what he has achieved and the way he achieved it. He would certainly not want supporters who he” loved” start anti chants that might affect the chances of winning the next game. That is just not in his nature. Fans will do well to consider that before their knee jerk reactions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 I am as sorry as anyone to see Nigel go but not surprised. Now he has gone he seems to have taken on a god status but just look back at the threads on this forum and many who are now abusing NC were criticising Nigel's transfers, both in and out, his team selections, his tactics, his substitutions, even his post match interviews. Re-read the Chelsea build up thread and the match thread (up to half time, the tune changes after that for some reason). Three years ago, when NC took over, like any good business man he had a vision and a plan and many scoffed at what he was suggesting was possible. His first objective was to get out of div 3, pass through div 2 and back to the top flight within five years. He looked for the man he believed could do that and when had had found him he paid up Pardew's contract and brought in Nigel. I have absolutely no doubt that NC made it clear to Nigel from the start; "Take us to the Prem Nigel and I will make you a very rich man but I make no promises of what happens after that." Nigel delivered on the contract and has been rewarded well for doing so. He will have been paid the full value of his contract without having to work further for it. NC's plan does not stop at being in the Prem, for most of the fans it seems to! Like last time we see survival as our only realistic hope and our experience shapes our expectations. NC does not carry that baggage around with him; to him we are only half way to the target. Once back in the Prem, we all cheered and said "job done - we are home again." Not so for NC, the job is not done and he needs to drive on towards the goal he, and probably the financiers, have set. This change of manager is not a sudden, reckless decision. He has been looking for the man he believes can deliver the next phase of development for some time, certainly since last summer. He will have had a lot of work done to find the right man, this is not just a knee-jerk reaction to failure this season (as with other recent sackings) but part of carefully planned strategy. Now he has found that man he has implemented the next part of the plan. As fans we are emotionally involved with our club and that is why fans can't run clubs (as we found with Mike and Leon, PDT take note!). NC is detached and is focused on delivering success. Obviously the fans will see things very differently to NC but none of us know much about him because he is not a public figure. He has received a lot of abuse and a lot of 'facts' have been made up about him to the degree he is now seen as some sort of deranged dictator. Nigel has been well aware that he was not part of the next phase for some time. He has done his job and done it well and, as I said above, he has been rewarded well for it. NC wants to move on, we have no choice but to go with him! I think some of the things that have been said, in ignorance, of NC are shameful and much of what I have read about the new man on here is probably ill informed. However, that to me, sums up this forum these days; hypocrisy abounds and it is why I have joined the 'lurkers' looking for news and trying to avoid the nasty insults and continual bickering that goes on. No doubt I will receive my share for this but, hey, that's the Saintsweb! Excellent post. One of the best things I've read in a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 Sure Mr Cortese has major flaws and, in my opinion, lacks humility. However, let us not forget he is the person who has come to our club with the ambition, motivation and obsession in taking this club forward to new heights. So far he is “achieving” that dream. His ruthlessness may not endear him to many supporters or the media but at least we know what we have got Mr Adkins was managing a small time club and Cortese offered him a chance to use his undoubted talent to develop into a Manager many think could be a future England Coach. He would not have got that recognition managing his previous club. Adkins leaves with a much enhanced CV, decent money in his pocket and in many eyes a successful Premier League Manager. His reputation is still on the up. He did not fail. Adkins has all the qualities Cortese lacks and I am sure he will be the first to wish Southampton Football Club and the players every success for the future. He can look back with pride at what he has achieved and the way he achieved it. He would certainly not want supporters who he” loved” start anti chants that might affect the chances of winning the next game. That is just not in his nature. Fans will do well to consider that before their knee jerk reactions. An excellent post Weston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thornhill_saints Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 Sure Mr Cortese has major flaws and, in my opinion, lacks humility. However, let us not forget he is the person who has come to our club with the ambition, motivation and obsession in taking this club forward to new heights. So far he is “achieving” that dream. His ruthlessness may not endear him to many supporters or the media but at least we know what we have got Mr Adkins was managing a small time club and Cortese offered him a chance to use his undoubted talent to develop into a Manager many think could be a future England Coach. He would not have got that recognition managing his previous club. Adkins leaves with a much enhanced CV, decent money in his pocket and in many eyes a successful Premier League Manager. His reputation is still on the up. He did not fail. Adkins has all the qualities Cortese lacks and I am sure he will be the first to wish Southampton Football Club and the players every success for the future. He can look back with pride at what he has achieved and the way he achieved it. He would certainly not want supporters who he” loved” start anti chants that might affect the chances of winning the next game. That is just not in his nature. Fans will do well to consider that before their knee jerk reactions. Great post, Lets just hope the new manager can perform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 Sure Mr Cortese has major flaws and, in my opinion, lacks humility. However, let us not forget he is the person who has come to our club with the ambition, motivation and obsession in taking this club forward to new heights. So far he is “achieving” that dream. His ruthlessness may not endear him to many supporters or the media but at least we know what we have got Mr Adkins was managing a small time club and Cortese offered him a chance to use his undoubted talent to develop into a Manager many think could be a future England Coach. He would not have got that recognition managing his previous club. Adkins leaves with a much enhanced CV, decent money in his pocket and in many eyes a successful Premier League Manager. His reputation is still on the up. He did not fail. That's all fair enough; but it doesn't really address the issue that its not necessarily the decisions that the Chairman makes, its how they are enacted. Nigel Adkins may or may not have been the right man to fully take us forwards; but making a change right now just makes very little sense and offers a real risk of destabilising a team on the rise. Even if this new boss turns out to be a big improvement there are still ways of acting in the proper manner, and having your manager find out he is sacked by watching a TV program is pretty inexcusable in my book. I can't say hand on heart that Cortese is completely wrong to change manager for the better good of the club. I can, however, say that I don't agree with the way this has all played out and I have to agree with MLT, all of this is a pretty shameful indictment on the club and makes us look a bit of a laughing stock. A lot of the reasons that Chelsea are looked down upon in the world of football are becoming true of ourselves. Some people may be willing to accept that as part of a more successful club; I'm not one of them. Adkins has all the qualities Cortese lacks and I am sure he will be the first to wish Southampton Football Club and the players every success for the future. He can look back with pride at what he has achieved and the way he achieved it. He would certainly not want supporters who he” loved” start anti chants that might affect the chances of winning the next game. That is just not in his nature. Fans will do well to consider that before their knee jerk reactions. Fans chants against the chairman will IMO makes zero difference to the performance of the players. The team will get the full backing of the fans. I suspect the new manager will too. I think it will entirely justified if Cortese receives plenty of abuse throughout the game in addition to that, though I doubt he will, just plenty of vocal support for Nigel Adkins which really isn't going to harm anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panda Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 "and having your manager find out he is sacked by watching a TV program is pretty inexcusable in my book." Are you really certain this is true or is this one of the many speculative comments on this forum that quickly become enshrined as fact? Did Nigel say this how he found out? Maybe I missed it somewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 "and having your manager find out he is sacked by watching a TV program is pretty inexcusable in my book." Are you really certain this is true or is this one of the many speculative comments on this forum that quickly become enshrined as fact? Did Nigel say this how he found out? Maybe I missed it somewhere? Good point, I'm sure it was just made up. I retract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 Pretty shabby how Adkins was sacked. But there is a natural balance in all this. Hoddle did the dirty on us, Strachan walked out, even Lawrie walked out on us. It's football. There is very little loyalty at any level of this professional sport. It's the game as a whole, and is not confined to just our club. Le Tissier has every right to have his say on this, as he is one of the only ones in the game to have displayed such loyalty. The contempt shown to Cortese from others in the game smells a bit like hypocrisy though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 Do you think Adkins was the right man for us this season? This is a strange situation. I thought Adkins was going to be Saints manager long term, be able to learn and grow into the job, build steadily as with the improvement with the first team squad. Yes he has faults like other managers too but was certainly keen to learn and move forward. As an executive chairman NC is in the position to look after the business - there are certainly some aspects he can improve on there (contractor relations, timely payments and control). But he's the man with high expectations which others he brings on board have to take and deliver on. From what I've read MP has done a decent job at Espanyol, much I can see being replicated here - expansive football, youth development and progression. It's certainly a gamble at this stage in the season for this type of change but MP will get my backing. NC is a **** of the highest order but has shown to make some sound decisions, NA is a good manager and I'll follow his career with interest, MP is an interesting appointment and deserves support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingbattigger Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 So you think the Manager should stick with players he doesn't believe are good enough for sentimental reasons? What about Kelvin, great story, from turning down West Ham to captaining us through the leagues to redeem himself in the Premiership. In Nigel's eyes he wasn't quite good enough, so he ditched him, same with Deano. NC doesn't feel Nigel is quite good enough, but has to keep him so you can be proud of the club? If you truly do not understand that there is a right way and a wrong way to do things then you have my sympathy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 "and having your manager find out he is sacked by watching a TV program is pretty inexcusable in my book." Are you really certain this is true or is this one of the many speculative comments on this forum that quickly become enshrined as fact? Did Nigel say this how he found out? Maybe I missed it somewhere? It was reported by The Mirror newspaper, who have been on the ball throughout this. Still Saints fans lap up Cortese! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 This is a strange situation. I thought Adkins was going to be Saints manager long term, be able to learn and grow into the job, build steadily as with the improvement with the first team squad. Yes he has faults like other managers too but was certainly keen to learn and move forward. As an executive chairman NC is in the position to look after the business - there are certainly some aspects he can improve on there (contractor relations, timely payments and control). But he's the man with high expectations which others he brings on board have to take and deliver on. From what I've read MP has done a decent job at Espanyol, much I can see being replicated here - expansive football, youth development and progression. It's certainly a gamble at this stage in the season for this type of change but MP will get my backing. NC is a **** of the highest order but has shown to make some sound decisions, NA is a good manager and I'll follow his career with interest, MP is an interesting appointment and deserves support. Is that a 'yes' or a 'no'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 If you truly do not understand that there is a right way and a wrong way to do things then you have my sympathy Unfortunately it would appear some of our fans would accept pretty much anything for the smallest chance of getting close to Champions League qualification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 Unfortunately it would appear some of our fans would accept pretty much anything for the smallest chance of getting close to Champions League qualification. who is accepting anything...what are you going to do....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 If you truly do not understand that there is a right way and a wrong way to do things then you have my sympathy Did Nigel ditch Deano the right way or the wrong way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 The measure of the man is that he wasn't brave enough to front up to the press yesterday and allowed his new man to face them alone. Spineless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 It was reported by The Mirror newspaper, who have been on the ball throughout this. Still Saints fans lap up Cortese!y Who today said that Lallana was told by Cortese after Adkins was told by him its on page 63. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 Did Nigel ditch Deano the right way or the wrong way? out of the door was the right way to go, whatever it took was the right way to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkenSaint Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 I like him, i know he has a plan and i'm sure it will work. Everyone thought sacking Pards was strange and look how that worked out. Yes i'm a bit gutted that Nigel has gone but he did really annoy me at times through strange tactical changes. The new manager is meant to have a great tactical mind he was also let down badly by his old club, they had to sell all the good players for money reasons, his first season he did make 8th ( i think in the league) not bad for minnows in that league and with a young squad. I want this team to grow and i'm sure that having NA as manager wouldn't of given us that growth, he isn't a known manager and in these days players seem to like going to clubs where managers with a name to them, yes not all player do that but i'm sure it could be hindering some good quality transfers. Ramirez probably knew something when he came along and having someone like Pochettino will help a lot get more players like him in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 I bet the spineless **** doesn't show up on Monday. At least that cringeworthy Cortese chant will stop now. NC out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 who is accepting anything...what are you going to do....? Voice my displeasure on Monday night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 Voice my displeasure on Monday night. good for you....after that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 good for you....after that? Not sure. Just another reason why I can't stand modern football and less likely to be shelling out £40+ every week. You? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 Not sure. Just another reason why I can't stand modern football and less likely to be shelling out £40+ every week. You? im not getting all upset..I was livid yesterday but this is just another odd decision that SFC have made..let alone football like I said, come tomorrow (maybe after monday) its all chip shop paper in the wider press.....if we stay up, then it wont even be news I would have kept nigel over this guy any day of the week and happen to think we will now go down...however, I have been very wrong before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 im not getting all upset..I was livid yesterday but this is just another odd decision that SFC have made..let alone football like I said, come tomorrow (maybe after monday) its all chip shop paper in the wider press.....if we stay up, then it wont even be news I would have kept nigel over this guy any day of the week and happen to think we will now go down...however, I have been very wrong before Fair enough, some of us don't change our opinions on things day to day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 Fair enough, some of us don't change our opinions on things day to day. day to day..week to week...you will calm down and stop shouting at NC soon enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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