Noodles34 Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Maybe ... but at what cost? If I genuinely woke up and thought we were the same as Chelsea I dont think I could support "that" southampton. Trophies are lovely and all that but there's more to a football club, at least I'd hope That ****** w and you know you would have been in Munich that night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Actually no, no it's not. You might have been there. If we behaved like this time and time again, showed no regard for the fans or the clubs traditions, had no hint of transparency or loyalty then i'd honestly rather not be a part of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Actually no, no it's not. You might have been there. If we behaved like this time and time again, showed no regard for the fans or the clubs traditions, had no hint of transparency or loyalty then i'd honestly rather not be a part of it. Well fair enough, but the game has moved on now, it's an entertainment industry in many ways, right to the board level, welcome to the 21st century Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 Well fair enough, but the game has moved on now, it's an entertainment industry in many ways, right to the board level, welcome to the 21st century Yes and no. The game can be different. Just look at fan ownership models in this country, the entire german league (basically) ... I agree that Cortese just fits a pattern of whats going on around us but whats so wrong with wanting to do things differently? We could call it "the southampton way" ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 The Red Stripe is flowing, so here goes. As with VFTT, Turkish, Kingsland Red etc, the thing that phisses me off is the sheer hypocrisy spouted by many. We abuse Portsmuff for not questioning how their club was run, but then blindly accept that all is OK with ours and we shouldn't dare to question what's happening. One fan of many years is targeted for daring to criticise aspects of the Club, not undermine it he just made a small criticism, and the response is disproportionate and no one gave a damn about him. In fact many added there own unjustified abuse. As Channon said, the Club doesn't belong to those who care most and I totally accept that, but it doesn't have to be like this does it??? Now if does have to be this way, then perhaps football is no longer the thing I fell I love with. Really disappointed tonight, we seemed to be bringing some passion, togetherness and spirt back to the Club. Spot on mate. You're a true saints fan that's for sure. Top bloke. Also bring back red and white stripes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 There is a thread in The Lounge where "Nutjobs' often accuse P*mpey supporters of not challenging the owners during the period when they lived beyond the means of the club. We can fill a 32,600 stadium when successful, but would struggle to get beyond say 35,000 on a regular basis even if we were a top six club, and yet we all let Mr Cortese carry on in a Peter Storrie type of way with no challenge. i appreciate there are many differences in the way P*mpey bought the FA Cup and we spent £30k last summer on marque signings; but there are also similarities; and one is the lack of integrity, decency and an understanding of the supporters expectations from a CEO of what is basically a club representing a proud provincial city. Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 I mention it because it is a current example of a home crowd over a number of games creating a negative atmosphere and it seemingly effecting the players on the pitch. If we aren't careful the same could happen at St Mary's. As has already been said, the Man United fans are anti Glaziers. Some of their fans were so angry they set up a new club!!! How is that working out for them? How is that effecting their results? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 so you are willing to stand back and let the chairman do what he wants, even if you are hugely against it and is potentially damaging to the club? Should he run every decision by you, you then decide if it's damaging to the club and then inform the fanbase of your decision. How do you decide whether the decision is damaging to the club, do you. a) Decide it is. b) Wait and see if it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 Should he run every decision by you, you then decide if it's damaging to the club and then inform the fanbase of your decision. How do you decide whether the decision is damaging to the club, do you. a) Decide it is. b) Wait and see if it is. Your first point is so pathetic i'm not even going to respond to it. Success for Saints this season was staying up. Nigel was well on course to do that, we were on a good run, the fans and players werre fully behind him. Now Cortese has taken the decision to sack that man, appoint a manager with 17 games to go who doesn't know the premier league, hardly has an incredible record himself and doesn't even f8cking well speak English!! He's turned the positve and optimisitc atmosphere of the fans into an angry and shocked one. I could understand it if he'd been sacked after WBA or Nigel was given the season and it reviewed then. I'm struggling to see why this is the right decsion right now, perhaps you can explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 Your first point is so pathetic i'm not even going to respond to it. Success for Saints this season was staying up. Nigel was well on course to do that, we were on a good run, the fans and players werre fully behind him. Now Cortese has taken the decision to sack that man, appoint a manager with 17 games to go who doesn't know the premier league, hardly has an incredible record himself and doesn't even f8cking well speak English!! He's turned the positve and optimisitc atmosphere of the fans into an angry and shocked one. I could understand it if he'd been sacked after WBA or Nigel was given the season and it reviewed then. I'm struggling to see why this is the right decsion right now, perhaps you can explain. We haven't got long to wait to find out, 17 games/3 months. If we go down, then it's a failure and the recriminations will begin. If we stay up, Adkins will be a pleasant but distant memory, and the summer will be devoted to what Spaniards, Argentinians & others we're going to bring in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 As has already been said, the Man United fans are anti Glaziers. Some of their fans were so angry they set up a new club!!! How is that working out for them? How is that effecting their results? But as far as I'm aware other than wearing those green and gold scarves, Utd fans don't protest during matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 But as far as I'm aware other than wearing those green and gold scarves, Utd fans don't protest during matches. Well you are not very aware then because a couple of years ago there was "outrage" from some PC mugs about Man United fans singing "die, die Glazier, F*cking die" during a match against Hull. They won 4-0 by the way so the chanting didn't cost the 3 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 But as far as I'm aware other than wearing those green and gold scarves, Utd fans don't protest during matches. They sing plenty of anti-Glazer songs. How has it affected their performances on the pitch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 . Success for Saints this season was staying up. Nigel was well on course to do that, we were on a good run, the fans and players werre fully behind him. Now Cortese has taken the decision to sack that man, appoint a manager with 17 games to go who doesn't know the premier league, hardly has an incredible record himself and doesn't even f8cking well speak English!! He's turned the positve and optimisitc atmosphere of the fans into an angry and shocked one. I could understand it if he'd been sacked after WBA or Nigel was given the season and it reviewed then. I'm struggling to see why this is the right decsion right now, perhaps you can explain. I don't know if it's the right decision, what I'm going to do is wait and see whether it was or not. The alternative is to do what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 before and even after the game no probs but we have to stick with the team for the 90 mins. Trouble is, if we go a goal down the attentions will turn to NC. I do feel sorry for the new guy, already got a thankless task it seems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 I don't know if it's the right decision, what I'm going to do is wait and see whether it was or not. The alternative is to do what? So do you agree with the decision to sack Adkins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 before and even after the game no probs but we have to stick with the team for the 90 mins. Trouble is, if we go a goal down the attentions will turn to NC. I do feel sorry for the new guy, already got a thankless task it seems true. It's not the new guys fault and what we dont want to do is get in the situation where he is also beaten with the same stick, simply because he's not Nigel Adkins. He's done what most of us would do, taken a good job where he has the opportunity to grow his reputation. The way the whole thing has been dealt with though is a disgrace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forester Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 I've said on another thread that i would not have done this, and feel gutted for NA. However....................... ................proper fans will want to focus on supporting MP and the team - THEY HAVE NOT MADE THIS DECISION. If we turn St Mary's into a difficult and unpleasant place we will go down. Why do that? So let every one let off steam over the weekend but then get behind the team and the manager on monday night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 So do you agree with the decision to sack Adkins? I wouldn't have done it, but then again I wouldn't have sacked Pardew or even appointed Adkins in the first place. It's NC's job to make these sort of decisions, not mine, and so far he's done a ****ing good job. He knows more about running a football club than I do, and all of the posters on here do. Had Marcus put one of us in charge of the club, I doubt we'd be where we are now. NC is no Lowe when it comes to managers 2 wrong for every one right. He's been spot on every time. In my eyes that affords him time to be judged this time round.People are saying it is wrong, before a ball has been kicked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 I bet any Anti-cortese chants are half hearted at best from the stadium....... there will be lots of, "one nigel adkins" though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musesaint Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 I've said on another thread that i would not have done this, and feel gutted for NA. However....................... ................proper fans will want to focus on supporting MP and the team - THEY HAVE NOT MADE THIS DECISION. If we turn St Mary's into a difficult and unpleasant place we will go down. Why do that? So let every one let off steam over the weekend but then get behind the team and the manager on monday night Sensible and measured NA was badly treated and will always be a Saints legend .. But the club is bigger than any one person...... And Cortese may yet be proven right ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_bert Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 But is it worth doing that if it risks the team not performing in a volatile atmosphere? Chelsea have struggled with the home fans being negative, is that what you'd like to see at St Mary's? There's only 1 reason why there will in all likely hood be a hostile atmosphere Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 Football fans are fickle and this fella will either win the fans over by picking up points, or he won't if our form dips. Simple. Cortese deserves barrels of abuse; and it won't make a difference to how the team plays. They will get the crowd's backing come what may (as will the new boss, I'm sure). If nothing else a sign on TV that the fans wholheartedly disagree with this shock decision and don't agree with the chairman's decision would suffice for me. The thing I'm worried about is that footballers are a notoriously sensitive bunch, and if they decide they don't want to perform for the new manager we could be in massive trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 But is it worth doing that if it risks the team not performing in a volatile atmosphere? Chelsea have struggled with the home fans being negative, is that what you'd like to see at St Mary's? If he was that worried about the team not performing, how about not sacking our most successful manager in a generation. Blaming any subsequent underperformance on the fans is ridiculous, even from a mentalist such as you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colehillsaint Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 I don't think we should full stop. A chant for Nigel before kick-off as a mark of respect. Surely Nigel will want us to get behind lads. It is not as though his record needs us to now get relegated to vindicate him, as perceived wisdom in football seemed to recognise he was going to keep us up. Monday is a pivotal moment and if most of the common sense on here is correct, MP and the squad are going to need every last ounce of support and luck they can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwanamakubwa Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 A simple one Nigel Adkins before the game, one at halftime, one at full time should suffice. The rest of the time I will be supporting Southampton football club as I have done through crazy by gone times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 19 January, 2013 Share Posted 19 January, 2013 Sod chants and protests, it won't do anything other than undermine the team and atmosphere. Cortese is a ****, we all know that, he probably knows that. He won't change. So no matter what we do or say won't make any difference. Save your effort and put it into supporting the 11 players out there. They will need it more than ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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