Matthew Le God Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Well it'll show the chairman and sky TV that we back Adkins and dont back the decision, I'll be singing Nigels name on monday night as will most people i know that are going. And what will that achieve apart from a negative atmosphere in an important home game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Please explain how chanting anti Cortese songs is going to have any positive effect or any effect at all? If anti Cortese chants create bad results then surely he might consider the FANS next time he makes a decision. If adverse fan reaction = poor performance then future decision making is more likely to take us, the rest of the club, into account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 And what will that achieve apart from a negative atmosphere in an important home game? The fans voice will be heard. That is what football is about matthew at the end of the day. I know you struggle to realise that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 And what will that achieve apart from a negative atmosphere in an important home game? Who knows, maybe NC will feel the need to come explain his decisions to the lifeblood of the club, or "us mere mortals"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintjersey Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Well it'll show the chairman and sky TV that we back Adkins and dont back the decision, I'll be singing Nigels name on monday night as will most people i know that are going. What will you be doing? Watching it on the telly if at all? The chairman won't care, do you really care what Sky TV think? I've no problem with singing songs about Nigel as I think he's done a great job and has been harshly treated. But my point was (which you seem to be missing) is that anti Cortese chants are pathetic and will have no positive affect at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 The fans voice will be heard. That is what football is about matthew at the end of the day. I know you struggle to realise that. Bit if an 80's view Turkish. Football hasn't been about fans for about 20 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 The chairman won't care, do you really care what Sky TV think? I've no problem with singing songs about Nigel as I think he's done a great job and has been harshly treated. But my point was (which you seem to be missing) is that anti Cortese chants are pathetic and will have no positive affect at all. Your points been answered If negative results occur it may well occur to NC to give a flying f about the fans and the club next time he makes a decision ... Am I wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintjersey Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 (edited) If anti Cortese chants create bad results then surely he might consider the FANS next time he makes a decision. If adverse fan reaction = poor performance then future decision making is more likely to take us, the rest of the club, into account. Do you honestly think Cortese will care about the fans after this length of time? He will do what he thinks is best for the club. Edited 18 January, 2013 by Saintjersey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Posted this on another thread, sums up how I feel about the whole current situation: The club took away the season ticket of a long-standing, loyal supporter for disagreeing with our ticketing policy - some on here lapped it up and didn't care. The club p****d off and got rid of a load of loyal hard working office staff - some on here lapped it up and didn't care. The club treated absolute legends such as Matt Le Tiss like s**t, many didn't care and lapped it up. The club got rid of the people who'd been selling programmes on their behalf for the last 20 years through thick and thin and replaced them with expensive agency staff - some fans lapped it up and said they didn't care. The club have now got rid of one of our most successful, popular and genuinely likeable managers in our history, having negotiated his replacement while he was working his socks off to get us results - and some fans lap it up and don't care. Thats fair enough, but its not how I want my club run and I'll be using the Everton game to get that point across. If you think that means we'll lose 3 points, I can live with that, we've lost 3 points before and we'll lose them again. I don't disagree with much of this other than the bit where you say that 'some fans lap it up and don't care' - I'd bet there's not one fan who's not feeling absolutely **** for and about NA. What I find difficult to stomach is the refusal to accept that there are many counterbalancing day to day good things that happen every day and are just accepted as the norm...we are by and large a well-run and responsible club, caring even in the things that are done for and within the community. I'm ashamed that we've done this to a guy who has lived, breathed, inspired and given our club the right to feel good about itself...and that's not even counting the achievements on the field and I'm gutted he has gone...but I'll chant his name all night as a way of thanking him and, if you like, protesting at the decision but I won't do anything that will impact on the team that I support and that NA and NC put together and who will still receive my support after both have gone - it's that simple...I support, I don't go to games to prove anything other than that. Anti anything other than opposition chants have no place at St Mary's! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 The fans voice will be heard. That is what football is about matthew at the end of the day. I know you struggle to realise that. Ultimately it won't change a thing, but what it might do is make it harder for the team to perform. I'd rather the team do well against Everton, not sure why you would want to do anything that might harm their chances. You only have to look at Chelsea at home in a negative atmosphere with the crowd against Benitez to see what a negative atmosphere can do on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 The Red Stripe is flowing, so here goes. As with VFTT, Turkish, Kingsland Red etc, the thing that phisses me off is the sheer hypocrisy spouted by many. We abuse Portsmuff for not questioning how their club was run, but then blindly accept that all is OK with ours and we shouldn't dare to question what's happening. One fan of many years is targeted for daring to criticise aspects of the Club, not undermine it he just made a small criticism, and the response is disproportionate and no one gave a damn about him. In fact many added there own unjustified abuse. As Channon said, the Club doesn't belong to those who care most and I totally accept that, but it doesn't have to be like this does it??? Now if does have to be this way, then perhaps football is no longer the thing I fell I love with. Really disappointed tonight, we seemed to be bringing some passion, togetherness and spirt back to the Club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Ultimately it won't change a thing, but what it might do is make it harder for the team to perform. I'd rather the team do well against Everton, not sure why you would want to do anything that might harm their chances. You only have to look at Chelsea at home in a negative atmosphere with the crowd against Benitez to see what a negative atmosphere can do on the pitch. People like you are everything that is wrong with football these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Ultimately it won't change a thing, but what it might do is make it harder for the team to perform. I'd rather the team do well against Everton, not sure why you would want to do anything that might harm their chances. You only have to look at Chelsea at home in a negative atmosphere with the crowd against Benitez to see what a negative atmosphere can do on the pitch. Fair enough MlG but ultimately it doesn't matter what you say. The majority of the fan base will make their voices heard on Monday and protest against the despicable treatment of Adkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 The Red Stripe is flowing, so here goes. As with VFTT, Turkish, Kingsland Red etc, the thing that phisses me off is the sheer hypocrisy spouted by many. We abuse Portsmuff for not questioning how their club was run, but then blindly accept that all is OK with ours and we shouldn't dare to question what's happening. One fan of many years is targeted for daring to criticise aspects of the Club, not undermine it he just made a small criticism, and the response is disproportionate and no one gave a damn about him. In fact many added there own unjustified abuse. As Channon said, the Club doesn't belong to those who care most and I totally accept that, but it doesn't have to be like this does it??? Now if does have to be this way, then perhaps football is no longer the thing I fell I love with. Really disappointed tonight, we seemed to be bringing some passion, togetherness and spirt back to the Club. For once i agree with you 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 It's pathetic because what exactly is it going to solve? Adkins is gone, he won't be coming back, I don't like it but s*** happens. We can either cry over it like girls or get behind the team we supposedly support for the rest of the season. Why does it need to "solve" anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Do you honestly think Cortese will care about the fans after this length of time? He will do what he thinks is best for the club. Or will he do whats best for financial motives? I think a club with integrity that takes into account its fan is important. On the field success is lovely but not at all costs. If Cortese honestly cares as little as you suggest about the fans are you happy to sit and nod with this man in charge of your club?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintjersey Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Why does it need to "solve" anything? We need to be supporting the team during the game. Protest against Cortese before or after as much as you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 For once i agree with you 100% I think you agree with me more than you want to admit LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Why does it need to "solve" anything? So you are willing to create a negative atmosphere even if it runs the risk of effecting the team not to perform as well as it could if the crowd were behind them? Just look at Chelsea and anti Benitez chants in home games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 We need to be supporting the team during the game. Protest against Cortese before or after as much as you want. NOBODY on here has said about not supporting the team, or even, the new manager. Showing support for NA and disgust with how our club has been run is a v different thing to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 So you are willing to create a negative atmosphere even if it runs the risk of effecting the team not to perform as well as it could if the crowd were behind them? Just look at Chelsea and anti Benitez chants in home games. If three dropped points meant Cortese decided to explain his decisions and give two hoots about the fans and what our club stands for then I would. Heck i'd rather a few! Not all about glory ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintjersey Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 NOBODY on here has said about not supporting the team, or even, the new manager. Showing support for NA and disgust with how our club has been run is a v different thing to that. Chanting against your Chairman doesn't really seem to be a way of supporting your team on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 People like you are everything that is wrong with football these days. "People like me" All I've said is I want the best atmosphere for Saints so they can beat Everton. Negative chanting doesn't help achieve that. It is you advocating creating an atmosphere like Chelsea currently have at home, and they are currently struggling to perform in a negative atmosphere. Fan in wanting his team to win shocker!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 So you are willing to create a negative atmosphere even if it runs the risk of effecting the team not to perform as well as it could if the crowd were behind them? Just look at Chelsea and anti Benitez chants in home games. so you are willing to stand back and let the chairman do what he wants, even if you are hugely against it and is potentially damaging to the club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Chanting against your Chairman doesn't really seem to be a way of supporting your team on the pitch. You can do both y'know ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintjersey Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 so you are willing to stand back and let the chairman do what he wants, even if you are hugely against it and is potentially damaging to the club? You are completely missing the point. Support the team during the game, which means avoid singing anti Cortese chants. If you want to protest against him do it before or after the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 I don't disagree with much of this other than the bit where you say that 'some fans lap it up and don't care' - I'd bet there's not one fan who's not feeling absolutely **** for and about NA. What I find difficult to stomach is the refusal to accept that there are many counterbalancing day to day good things that happen every day and are just accepted as the norm...we are by and large a well-run and responsible club, caring even in the things that are done for and within the community. I'm ashamed that we've done this to a guy who has lived, breathed, inspired and given our club the right to feel good about itself...and that's not even counting the achievements on the field and I'm gutted he has gone...but I'll chant his name all night as a way of thanking him and, if you like, protesting at the decision but I won't do anything that will impact on the team that I support and that NA and NC put together and who will still receive my support after both have gone - it's that simple...I support, I don't go to games to prove anything other than that. Anti anything other than opposition chants have no place at St Mary's! There are a fair few posts on here that seem happy with the change of manager as it'll help us "take the next step up" or whatever meaingless phrase they happen to use. Agree with most of the rest of your post though, the Saints Foundation is very good and deserves all the credit it gets. I just think on very rare occasions, letting the club know how we feel takes precedence over the next 3 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintjersey Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 You can do both y'know ... Not without creating a negative effect. Recent examples Blackburn and Chelsea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 "People like me" All I've said is I want the best atmosphere for Saints so they can beat Everton. Negative chanting doesn't help achieve that. It is you advocating creating an atmosphere like Chelsea currently have at home, and they are currently struggling to perform in a negative atmosphere. Fan in wanting his team to win shocker!!! yeah people like you. ones who crack one out about a few posters being put up around the stadium. ones who are obsessed with attracting football tourists from far off places. ones who are obsessed with the business side of football. ones who are desperate to spin everything positvely, however wrong in an attempt to back the man they worship. People like you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 You are completely missing the point. Support the team during the game, which means avoid singing anti Cortese chants. If you want to protest against him do it before or after the game. no i'm not missing the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintjersey Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 There are a fair few posts on here that seem happy with the change of manager as it'll help us "take the next step up" or whatever meaingless phrase they happen to use. Agree with most of the rest of your post though, the Saints Foundation is very good and deserves all the credit it gets. I just think on very rare occasions, letting the club know how we feel takes precedence over the next 3 points. Those 3 points could be the difference between staying up and going down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 so you are willing to stand back and let the chairman do what he wants, even if you are hugely against it and is potentially damaging to the club? How do you know it is damaging to the club? The last time Cortese made a decision to change managers worked didn't it? Do that not allow for some trust in him to make decisions for the long term of the club? You speak of "potential damaging for the club", if a negative home atmosphere leads to Southampton performing poorly in home games like CHelsea are, is that not damaging? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 "People like me" All I've said is I want the best atmosphere for Saints so they can beat Everton. Negative chanting doesn't help achieve that. It is you advocating creating an atmosphere like Chelsea currently have at home, and they are currently struggling to perform in a negative atmosphere. Fan in wanting his team to win shocker!!! I've asked you this earlier and don't think you've answered it - You say like Chelsea? Will we be booing our own players (Torres etc)? Will we be booing our manager? Most likely not. So its nothing like Chelsea is it. The team will have our support, no-one has suggested otherwise. I think even taking footballer's limited intelligence into consideration, most will understand why fans might be venting their frustration at the Chairman. Oh and how have the anti-Glazer protests, songs, scarves etc affected Man Utd's recent success on the pitch.............? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 You are completely missing the point. Support the team during the game, which means avoid singing anti Cortese chants. If you want to protest against him do it before or after the game. I think you'l find plenty of people will make their feelings known during the game. I will be one of them. May I ask, is there anything NC could do that would make you want to portest during a game? Anything that might make you think, hmm maybe it's not all about the three points this week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 How do you know it is damaging to the club? The last time Cortese made a decision to change managers worked didn't it? Do that not allow for some trust in him to make decisions for the long term of the club? You speak of "potential damaging for the club", if a negative home atmosphere leads to Southampton performing poorly in home games like CHelsea are, is that not damaging? Why do you seem determined to mention Chelsea on every post? How do you know that giving Cortese some stick might cost us three points? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Those 3 points could be the difference between staying up and going down. If it happens, it happens. Cortese shouldn't have been so quick to p**s off the fans then and should have valued their support a bit more, don't you agree, if that is indeed the case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Why do you seem determined to mention Chelsea on every post? How do you know that giving Cortese some stick might cost us three points? Maybe the players might be hundred percent thrilled with the decision and a few chants supporting NA will spur them on to a dramatic victory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Why do you seem determined to mention Chelsea on every post? How do you know that giving Cortese some stick might cost us three points? I mention it because it is a current example of a home crowd over a number of games creating a negative atmosphere and it seemingly effecting the players on the pitch. If we aren't careful the same could happen at St Mary's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 This whole Chelsea negative atmosphere at home thing is being blown out of all proportion. A couple of results go the wrong way and its all down to some clapping after 16 minutes? Do me a favour. Chelsea battered QPR and just didn't score. The atmosphere had absolutely nothing to do with that result. Our come back was down to us playing well, not because Chelsea fans weren't singing songs about Benitez. Play well and the crowd will be fully behind the side, play badly and there are always groans. A few songs backing Adkins aren't going to stop the side playing well, neither would some anti Cortese songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintjersey Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 I think you'l find plenty of people will make their feelings known during the game. I will be one of them. May I ask, is there anything NC could do that would make you want to portest during a game? Anything that might make you think, hmm maybe it's not all about the three points this week? I would go to a game to support my team. For example I went to watch us lose 2-1 at home to Doncaster in our relegation season from the Championship. I wanted Lowe out of the club so what did I do, I protested against him after the game. But during the game I was behind my team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintjersey Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 If it happens, it happens. Cortese shouldn't have been so quick to p**s off the fans then and should have valued their support a bit more, don't you agree, if that is indeed the case? I agree Cortese has ****ed off the fans and I am one of them. But protesting in the game is going to make no difference to his decision. So protest after or before the game and get behind the team during it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 I would go to a game to support my team. For example I went to watch us lose 2-1 at home to Doncaster in our relegation season from the Championship. I wanted Lowe out of the club so what did I do, I protested against him after the game. But during the game I was behind my team. Im going to support my team. Funnily enough thats why I paid a rather unreasonable sum to do so But I don't think Cortese will notice half as much what's going on before and after as he will during. Even if he's not watching protest during the match are always likely to gain more media attention and thus his. That and, frankly, between trains before and after the game and a cheeky hotdog I wont have time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 This whole Chelsea negative atmosphere at home thing is being blown out of all proportion. A couple of results go the wrong way and its all down to some clapping after 16 minutes? Do me a favour. Chelsea battered QPR and just didn't score. The atmosphere had absolutely nothing to do with that result. Our come back was down to us playing well, not because Chelsea fans weren't singing songs about Benitez. Play well and the crowd will be fully behind the side, play badly and there are always groans. A few songs backing Adkins aren't going to stop the side playing well, neither would some anti Cortese songs. And our situation is very different anyway - will anyone be booing one of players (like Torres)? No. Will many boo the manager? No. Have the anti-Glazer protests at Man United affected their on the field performances? No. It's just MLG trying his hardest to protect his hero. You have to admire and respect that, if only NC had shown the same loyalty to Adkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairdylegend Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 I wont be booing - I wont be there. I burned my season ticket this afternoon. A little rash - maybe? Worried about it - not at all. Disgusted. I shall watch the game though in the hope Cortese gets the reception he deserves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 I wont be booing - I wont be there. I burned my season ticket this afternoon. A little rash - maybe? Worried about it - not at all. Disgusted. I shall watch the game though in the hope Cortese gets the reception he deserves You will get loads of stick for this but fair play mate for standing up for what you believe in. I was going to Wigan but they can stick it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cutting_off_the_nose_to_spite_the_face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 I'm sorry MLG, but this is an act by a deluded chairman that goes so completely against the wishes of the fans that we can't just sit in our seats and take it. I don't care whether this new guy is successful, I would have preferred to have gone down with Adkins in charge than stay up after treating him like NC did today. Regardless of whether it was an astute move to replace Nigel with MP, the timing of this is all wrong and it's shown a blatant disregard for the feelings of the fans and probably the players too. Nicola has always said that he wants to run the club like a business, and it's plain to see that his strategy involves no consideration for the feelings of those involved in the club, whether in a managerial role, a role within the club, or just a lifelong supporter like you, I and everyone else on this forum. I've always rolled my eyes and tutted when people have overreacted like this in the past, but I don't want this f*cking bellend anywhere near my club now. CORTESE OUT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 So you want a stamford bridge style club atmosphere with no loyalty, no soul, no values and a revolving door manager policy essentially becoming one man's personal plaything? If everyone sits and nods along with everything Cortese does then thats what we'l get. What Champions league trophy wins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 I wont be booing - I wont be there. I burned my season ticket this afternoon. A little rash - maybe? Worried about it - not at all. Disgusted. I shall watch the game though in the hope Cortese gets the reception he deserves Think you might want to start following another sport mate, Rugby perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 What Champions league trophy wins? Maybe ... but at what cost? If I genuinely woke up and thought we were the same as Chelsea I dont think I could support "that" southampton. Trophies are lovely and all that but there's more to a football club, at least I'd hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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