UpweySaint Posted 18 January, 2013 Posted 18 January, 2013 There seems to be a great deal of "you cant do this ... not a real fan if you do that ..." going on. I'l happily sit quietly in the Everton game if anybody can offer up genuinely constructive suggestions about how else to make clear what people think of what Cortese has done and how he has done it ...
S-Clarke Posted 18 January, 2013 Posted 18 January, 2013 What's the point? Just accept what's happened has happened, there's nothing we can do to change it. What we can do is potentially make the whole situation worse. I don't agree with the decision, but I'm still going to support my team. Sod protesting.
sotonjoe Posted 18 January, 2013 Posted 18 January, 2013 What's the point? Just accept what's happened has happened, there's nothing we can do to change it. What we can do is potentially make the whole situation worse. I don't agree with the decision, but I'm still going to support my team. Sod protesting. This
SaintNeil90 Posted 18 January, 2013 Posted 18 January, 2013 The most important thing is that THE CLUB should be our main concern. Sacking the manager will already have the players disillusioned, team spirit will have to be rebuilt and players will have to get used to a new way of playing. THE LAST THING THEY NEED IS A NEGATIVE ATMOSPHERE FROM THE FANS! That will transfer to the players!
UpweySaint Posted 18 January, 2013 Author Posted 18 January, 2013 What's the point? Just accept what's happened has happened, there's nothing we can do to change it. What we can do is potentially make the whole situation worse. I don't agree with the decision, but I'm still going to support my team. Sod protesting. You don't agree with what's going on at our club yet don't want to do anything about it? I accept we can't change it. I'm not advocating time travel Can we prevent our clubs name being dragged through the mud like this again, perhaps ... For the record i'm going and I plan to support the players and NA. I wont boo the new man, not his fault, but I wont cheer him either!
UpweySaint Posted 18 January, 2013 Author Posted 18 January, 2013 The most important thing is that THE CLUB should be our main concern. Sacking the manager will already have the players disillusioned, team spirit will have to be rebuilt and players will have to get used to a new way of playing. THE LAST THING THEY NEED IS A NEGATIVE ATMOSPHERE FROM THE FANS! That will transfer to the players! Again, not a suggestion. The "club" is an intersting word choice! Other options? How else can we show our dissatisfcation? Thoughts?
S-Clarke Posted 18 January, 2013 Posted 18 January, 2013 You don't agree with what's going on at our club yet don't want to do anything about it? I accept we can't change it. I'm not advocating time travel Can we prevent our clubs name being dragged through the mud like this again, perhaps ... For the record i'm going and I plan to support the players and NA. I wont boo the new man, not his fault, but I wont cheer him either! I don't agree with the decision, I think the way it's been done is horrific. I'm embarrased about it. But what good is protesting going to do? As you say, we can't change it. Cortese won't give a ****, he doesn't care - he's shown that time, and time again. Just support the club, support the players and try to accept the new bloke. We can let this change derail the club, or we can rally around it and try to salvage something. Protesting, in my opinion, will not salvage anything. It'll just make the entire situation worse.
Matthew Le God Posted 18 January, 2013 Posted 18 January, 2013 We had similar reactions and threads after Pardew was sacked after beating Bristol Rovers away 4-0. I think people are now happy with Cortese's decision aren't they? He now wants to move us onto another level. He could well be right again. What won't help is undermining the new manager during games with chants about the man he replaced or Cortese. The players won't play well in a negative atmosphere. Just look at Chelsea under Benitez at Stamford Bridge.
UpweySaint Posted 18 January, 2013 Author Posted 18 January, 2013 I don't agree with the decision, I think the way it's been done is horrific. I'm embarrased about it. But what good is protesting going to do? As you say, we can't change it. Cortese won't give a ****, he doesn't care - he's shown that time, and time again. Just support the club, support the players and try to accept the new bloke. We can let this change derail the club, or we can rally around it and try to salvage something. Protesting, in my opinion, will not salvage anything. It'll just make the entire situation worse. Im with you, I agree about much of it. But I think if we do nothing things will never change. Call me an old romantic but I dislike that this is "just the way things are" and I think fans deserve better. Let's have ourselves some German fan ownership and we can bring back a bit of integrity to our club
UpweySaint Posted 18 January, 2013 Author Posted 18 January, 2013 We had similar reactions and threads after Pardew was sacked after beating Bristol Rovers away 4-0. I think people are now happy with Cortese's decision aren't they? He now wants to move us onto another level. He could well be right again. What won't help is undermining the new manager during games with chants about the man he replaced or Cortese. The players won't play well in a negative atmosphere. Just look at Chelsea under Benitez at Stamford Bridge. Again, not a suggestion of other options. I am v aware people are against protesting during the game. Im asking you chaps what you would suggest as an alternative? Genuinely open to suggestions (provided they're not about where to shove my question!) ...
los_saint Posted 18 January, 2013 Posted 18 January, 2013 What's the point? Just accept what's happened has happened, there's nothing we can do to change it. What we can do is potentially make the whole situation worse. I don't agree with the decision, but I'm still going to support my team. Sod protesting. You, my friend, are bang on the money.
Turkish Posted 18 January, 2013 Posted 18 January, 2013 We had similar reactions and threads after Pardew was sacked after beating Bristol Rovers away 4-0. I think people are now happy with Cortese's decision aren't they? He now wants to move us onto another level. He could well be right again. What won't help is undermining the new manager during games with chants about the man he replaced or Cortese. The players won't play well in a negative atmosphere. Just look at Chelsea under Benitez at Stamford Bridge. What attribute would this be on FM13? Surely if they all have over 12 on "mentality" or something then the atmosphere might spur them on?
Huffton Posted 18 January, 2013 Posted 18 January, 2013 Sadly in the modern game football supporters mean feck all to club owners. We don't even put that much money in in the grand scheme of things. So you either go, support the players and enjoy yourself, or you don't bother, and go and do something else. Someone else will be in your seat, and the club will carry on without you. Either way your opinion and protest will fall on deaf ears as you just don't matter anymore.
trousers Posted 18 January, 2013 Posted 18 January, 2013 There seems to be a great deal of "you cant do this ... not a real fan if you do that ..." going on. I'l happily sit quietly in the Everton game if anybody can offer up genuinely constructive suggestions about how else to make clear what people think of what Cortese has done and how he has done it ... Write a him a letter?
Dig Dig Posted 18 January, 2013 Posted 18 January, 2013 We had similar reactions and threads after Pardew was sacked after beating Bristol Rovers away 4-0. I think people are now happy with Cortese's decision aren't they? He now wants to move us onto another level. He could well be right again. What won't help is undermining the new manager during games with chants about the man he replaced or Cortese. The players won't play well in a negative atmosphere. Just look at Chelsea under Benitez at Stamford Bridge. After banging the Adkins drum for so long, club mascot MLG is very quick off the mark in suggesting that this is a fantastic decision by the club
trousers Posted 18 January, 2013 Posted 18 January, 2013 We had similar reactions and threads after Pardew was sacked after beating Bristol Rovers away 4-0. I think people are now happy with Cortese's decision aren't they? He now wants to move us onto another level. He could well be right again. What won't help is undermining the new manager during games with chants about the man he replaced or Cortese. The players won't play well in a negative atmosphere. Just look at Chelsea under Benitez at Stamford Bridge. ^This
trousers Posted 18 January, 2013 Posted 18 January, 2013 After banging the Adkins drum for so long, club mascot MLG is very quick off the mark in suggesting that this is a fantastic decision by the club He said it MIGHT turn out to be a fantastic decision and I don't see where he's changed his view on Adkins. I was happy with Pardew. I was also happy with Adkins. I may well be happy with this new chap too. Time will tell. People have a strange view on pragmatism on here
Dig Dig Posted 18 January, 2013 Posted 18 January, 2013 (edited) Again, not a suggestion of other options. I am v aware people are against protesting during the game. Im asking you chaps what you would suggest as an alternative? Genuinely open to suggestions (provided they're not about where to shove my question!) ... You can do whatever you like but I believe that if you're in St Mary's, you should be there to support the team. It's not their fault and recent examples of Blackburn and Chelsea show how a toxic atmosphere at home impacts the team. Edited 18 January, 2013 by Dig Dig
Dig Dig Posted 18 January, 2013 Posted 18 January, 2013 He said it MIGHT turn out to be a fantastic decision and I don't see where he's changed his view on Adkins. People have a strange view on pragmatism on here If you were to ask MLG yesterday his opinion on sacking Adkins and replacing him with MP before the story broke, what would have been his reply you think? That it may be good and take us to the next level? I think not so please don't talk to me about pragmatism.
Delmary Posted 18 January, 2013 Posted 18 January, 2013 What's the point? Just accept what's happened has happened, there's nothing we can do to change it. What we can do is potentially make the whole situation worse. I don't agree with the decision, but I'm still going to support my team. Sod protesting. This
miserableoldgit Posted 18 January, 2013 Posted 18 January, 2013 Again, not a suggestion of other options. I am v aware people are against protesting during the game. Im asking you chaps what you would suggest as an alternative? Genuinely open to suggestions (provided they're not about where to shove my question!) ... D o you not think that NC is totally aware of the fans feelings on this? He may be many things but he is not stupid. He knows how popular NA is and must know how upset his decision has made everyone, but he has made it for what he sees as the right reasons. I am as gutted and shocked as everyone else but there is nothing that I can do about it and I guarentee that if MP is as successful as NC expects/hopes NA will just become a happy memory to most fans.
Matthew Le Tissier Posted 18 January, 2013 Posted 18 January, 2013 Stand up for what you believe in I say However if you think Cortese will batter an eyelid think again He will be more shocked if there is no protest. A protest will achieve absolutely nothing other than just letting everyone round the country know you don't agree with what's happened I'm all for anyone who wants to stand up for what they think is right . But during the game is not the time, channel those efforts onto supporting the lads.
niceandfriendly Posted 18 January, 2013 Posted 18 January, 2013 We had similar reactions and threads after Pardew was sacked after beating Bristol Rovers away 4-0. I think people are now happy with Cortese's decision aren't they? He now wants to move us onto another level. He could well be right again. What won't help is undermining the new manager during games with chants about the man he replaced or Cortese. The players won't play well in a negative atmosphere. Just look at Chelsea under Benitez at Stamford Bridge. Of course this is correct.
trousers Posted 18 January, 2013 Posted 18 January, 2013 If you were to ask MLG yesterday his opinion on sacking Adkins and replacing him with MP before the story broke, what would have been his reply you think? That it may be good and take us to the next level? I think not so please don't talk to me about pragmatism. Ok, I'll talk to myself about it instead.....
Dig Dig Posted 18 January, 2013 Posted 18 January, 2013 Ok, I'll talk to myself about it instead..... Do you not see my point though?
TheSaint75 Posted 18 January, 2013 Posted 18 January, 2013 How about as a suggestion that we wait and see if this guy is any good in 6/12 months time? I think the structure we have in place and the style of football we want to play will dictate managerial appointments, same with any employee of sfc. If they work within that ethos and can add something extra then it will be a good choice if we develop as planned. Don't get me wrong I still think it's bizarre as Adkins will be a top manager, but he must be lacking in something to have got the boot! IMHO
max_saints Posted 18 January, 2013 Posted 18 January, 2013 at what minute shall we do our one minute of applause for NA?
UpweySaint Posted 18 January, 2013 Author Posted 18 January, 2013 To be honest I kind of feel my point has been vindicated. The only other option put forward was "write a letter". I accept many people disagree with any kind of non positivy at the game and im aware of the reasons why but as of yet no viable alternative has been offered. Today I, and plenty of others, are embarassed and ashamed by my football club and see no other way to make this known. If we had a fan on the board or Cortese actually came out and explained his decisions or engaged with fans in any real way there would be plenty of other channels to air such greivances without upsetting the atmosphere at the game. Now again if anybody has any ideas on how to achieve this other then by being vocal at the everton game or boycotting then please fire away ...
UpweySaint Posted 18 January, 2013 Author Posted 18 January, 2013 How about as a suggestion that we wait and see if this guy is any good in 6/12 months time? I think the structure we have in place and the style of football we want to play will dictate managerial appointments, same with any employee of sfc. If they work within that ethos and can add something extra then it will be a good choice if we develop as planned. Don't get me wrong I still think it's bizarre as Adkins will be a top manager, but he must be lacking in something to have got the boot! IMHO Fair point. I'm not against the new manager though, not sure anybody is. I disagree with, but could accept, the decision to sack NA. Its the how, when and why that my issue is with
pangy Posted 18 January, 2013 Posted 18 January, 2013 How about chanting "one Nigel Adkins " and getting behind the new manager? No matter what you do NC will not change his mind so deal with it? Why do you never see anger directed at Abramovich? Because he has done so much for Chelsea if he pulled out they would be in trouble Cortèse has done a hell of a lot for this club and sometimes I think people forget that Cortese has made a very brave choice here but be assured he has the clubs best interest in mind at all times and so far he has done ok Just get Behind the team and roar us to 3pts on Monday,
kpturner Posted 18 January, 2013 Posted 18 January, 2013 How about chanting "one Nigel Adkins " and getting behind the new manager? We would never all get in the dug-out - its a non-starter I'm afraid.
UpweySaint Posted 18 January, 2013 Author Posted 18 January, 2013 How about chanting "one Nigel Adkins " and getting behind the new manager? No matter what you do NC will not change his mind so deal with it? Why do you never see anger directed at Abramovich? Because he has done so much for Chelsea if he pulled out they would be in trouble Cortèse has done a hell of a lot for this club and sometimes I think people forget that Cortese has made a very brave choice here but be assured he has the clubs best interest in mind at all times and so far he has done ok Just get Behind the team and roar us to 3pts on Monday, Abramovich pumped money into Chelsea, Cortese is a steward of our club. Either way i'd rather be eastliegh then chelsea.
Sour Mash Posted 18 January, 2013 Posted 18 January, 2013 The club took away the season ticket of a long-standing, loyal supporter for disagreeing with our ticketing policy - some on here lapped it up and didn't care. The club p****d off and got rid of a load of loyal hard working office staff - some on here lapped it up and didn't care. The club treated absolute legends such as Matt Le Tiss like s**t, many didn't care and lapped it up. The club got rid of the people who'd been selling programmes on their behalf for the last 20 years through thick and thin and replaced them with expensive agency staff - some fans lapped it up and said they didn't care. The club have now got rid of one of our most successful, popular and genuinely likeable managers in our history, having negotiated his replacement while he was working his socks off to get us results - and some fans lap it up and don't care. Thats fair enough, but its not how I want my club run and I'll be using the Everton game to get that point across. If you think that means we'll lose 3 points, I can live with that, we've lost 3 points before and we'll lose them again.
Verbal Kint Posted 18 January, 2013 Posted 18 January, 2013 The club took away the season ticket of a long-standing, loyal supporter for disagreeing with our ticketing policy - some on here lapped it up and didn't care. The club p****d off and got rid of a load of loyal hard working office staff - some on here lapped it up and didn't care. The club treated absolute legends such as Matt Le Tiss like s**t, many didn't care and lapped it up. The club got rid of the people who'd been selling programmes on their behalf for the last 20 years through thick and thin and replaced them with expensive agency staff - some fans lapped it up and said they didn't care. The club have now got rid of one of our most successful, popular and genuinely likeable managers in our history, having negotiated his replacement while he was working his socks off to get us results - and some fans lap it up and don't care. Thats fair enough, but its not how I want my club run and I'll be using the Everton game to get that point across. If you think that means we'll lose 3 points, I can live with that, we've lost 3 points before and we'll lose them again. Well said. Cortese out
Psycrow Posted 18 January, 2013 Posted 18 January, 2013 At the end of the day, the new guy (I'll get around to spelling his name sometime) has done nothing wrong. He's just accepted a job offer. What's the point in getting on his back? All this talk about him being not wanted and he can **** off is ridiculous and I wonder about some people's cop on. Find a way to protest, but ensure the team and manager know its a protest against the chairman if that's what you want to do.
TheSaint75 Posted 18 January, 2013 Posted 18 January, 2013 Fair point. I'm not against the new manager though, not sure anybody is. I disagree with, but could accept, the decision to sack NA. Its the how, when and why that my issue is with In today's society of media coverage people feel they have a right to know what is going on. It is more about not knowing why this has happened and not that it has happened that is getting people's backs up. To protest now will achieve nothing and is possibly short sighted without knowing the whys and wherefores, us not knowing why makes f.all difference to the outcome, if we keep behind the team.
UpweySaint Posted 18 January, 2013 Author Posted 18 January, 2013 In today's society of media coverage people feel they have a right to know what is going on. It is more about not knowing why this has happened and not that it has happened that is getting people's backs up. To protest now will achieve nothing and is possibly short sighted without knowing the whys and wherefores, us not knowing why makes f.all difference to the outcome, if we keep behind the team. Ah but therein lies the issue. How do we find the whys if our chairmen doesnt even have the decency to turn up to a press conference..?
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