Zlavik Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 I am wondering since I have no idea as to how a chairman of the board could lose his job. Can the board vote him off or does he have to resign himself? In what other ways can he lose his jobs? :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colbury Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 There is no board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlavik Posted 18 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 18 January, 2013 There is no board. Then how can he lose his job? He can't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Even with Cortese's level of arrogance, I can't see him doing this without running it by the owners. And they're the only people capable of sacking him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Lose his job, why? His record is fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Why has he killed someone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 If Cortese goes, so will the financial backing of the Liebherr estate. People were like this when Pardew went, Cortese was shown to have made a good decision picking Adkins for the job of getting the club from League One to the Premier League. He has now made his next "big call", seemingly because he wants the club to go up to yet another level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlavik Posted 18 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Even with Cortese's level of arrogance, I can't see him doing this without running it by the owners. And they're the only people capable of sacking him. Aren't Liebherrs family the owners? And do they even seem to care, imo they dont. And Lord Duck, this is ofc if the change doesn't turn out so well. I'm sad and I just want to know the options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 We could kill him..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 It's very similar to the Hughes at Man City situation. Was popular with the fans, didn't feel he was doing wrong then bang, gets sacked, Mancini appointed and takes them to the next level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Aren't Liebherrs family the owners? And do they even seem to care, imo they dont. And Lord Duck, this is ofc if the change doesn't turn out so well. I'm sad and I just want to know the options. the "owners" are a myth. Cortese runs SFC as he sees fit. There are no "owners" just Cortese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 If Cortese goes, so will the financial backing of the Liebherr estate. People were like this when Pardew went, Cortese was shown to have made a good decision picking Adkins for the job of getting the club from League One to the Premier League. He has now made his next "big call", seemingly because he wants the club to go up to yet another level. Yep, pretty much. The only way he will go is if the Liebherr family find someone to take his place. Considering that they wouldn't be associated without Cortese in the first place then we are in a strange place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 If Cortese goes, so will the financial backing of the Liebherr estate. Oh well. FWIW I don't even think the Liebherr's attend matches anymore.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 If Cortese goes, so will the financial backing of the Liebherr estate. People were like this when Pardew went, Cortese was shown to have made a good decision picking Adkins for the job of getting the club from League One to the Premier League. He has now made his next "big call", seemingly because he wants the club to go up to yet another level. and you know this how? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 If Cortese goes, so will the financial backing of the Liebherr estate. You don't know that. None of us know anything about the Leibherr's relationship with Cortese. They could replace him with another chief exec tomorrow, it's their club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musesaint Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Frankly ...NA could only be removed if he were to die.. we are a privately owned Club and he runs it with full backing from the Liebherr family I was horrified when the rumours starting flying last night .....and I do feel that NA has been treated really badly - but I've been thinking today that many of us felt the same when Pardew was sacked the day after we spanked Rovers 5-1 ...and NC got the call right then. Ruthless yes ....but is this a mental move by NC or a sign of the Club's real long term ambitions for even higher achievement ?? ... we will know the answer to that by mid May Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 and you know this how? You don't know that. Educated guess given Cortese was a driving force in getting Liebherr to invest. The only way I think Cortese will leave is if the club is sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Educated guess given Cortese was a driving force in getting Liebherr to invest. The only way I think Cortese will leave is if the club is sold. So you made it up then. Cortese might have moved heaven and earth to get Leibherr to buy the club but it's still their money and their investment. They have no obligation to keep Cortese in a job, loyalty is not important remember? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Educated guess given Cortese was a driving force in getting Liebherr to invest. The only way I think Cortese will leave is if the club is sold. The exact quote from when we were taken over. Nicola has been pivotal in conce iving the purchase of the Club and making it happen. I am now delighted to entrust him with overseeing the Club's progress, development and achievement of success over the long term. Nicola and I have enjoyed a long business relationship and it was Nicola who convinced me about buying the Club. He then conducted what proved to be a very difficult process very expertly and professionally. Ultimately, it happened because Nicola was at all times focused on strong business and ethical principles. Since our early conversations about the deal I made it clear that I would only buy the Club if he remained involved following the purchase. I am therefore very happy that he has accepted the role as Executive Chairman. Pretty clear that Cortese and the Liebherr family's ongoing ownership are intrinsically linked on that basis. Cortese's statements along the lines of 'there can be other avenues for investment' if the Liebherr family withdrew suggest that he is in something of a position of strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Do people wish Leon Crouch, Lawrie and Matt were running the club, and do they think we'd be in the Premiership if they were? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 I don't think he can, not without the exit of the Liebherr's or if he wanted to, which might cause the exit of the Liebherr's as he was integral to the whole deal. And I most certainly wouldn't want to lose the Liebherr family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Educated guess given Cortese was a driving force in getting Liebherr to invest. The only way I think Cortese will leave is if the club is sold. Cortese is an employee paid a directors salary. Plenty of employees leave companies. Making things up doesn't change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 The exact quote from when we were taken over. Pretty clear that Cortese and the Liebherr family's ongoing ownership are intrinsically linked on that basis. Cortese's statements along the lines of 'there can be other avenues for investment' if the Liebherr family withdrew suggest that he is in something of a position of strength. To be fair that was Marcus speaking. The rest of the family might think he's a poisonous Italian dwarf who likes sucking up to billionaires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 To be fair that was Marcus speaking. The rest of the family might think he's a poisonous Italian dwarf who likes sucking up to billionaires. Yes. And they may think that. Their continued ownership of the club shows some kind of respect for their father's wishes though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 So you made it up then. Cortese might have moved heaven and earth to get Leibherr to buy the club but it's still their money and their investment. They have no obligation to keep Cortese in a job, loyalty is not important remember? Cortese is an employee paid a directors salary. Plenty of employees leave companies. Making things up doesn't change that. See Colinjb's post above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 To be fair that was Marcus speaking. The rest of the family might think he's a poisonous Italian dwarf who likes sucking up to billionaires. You can't change the mind or wishes of a deadman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Yes. And they may think that. Their continued ownership of the club shows some kind of respect for their father's wishes though. Which course of action respects their father's wishes best - whats best for Southampton or whats best for Cortese? For the first time Im thinking they arent the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Why has he killed someone? He's killed someone ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Which course of action respects their father's wishes best - whats best for Southampton or whats best for Cortese? For the first time Im thinking they arent the same thing. Only time will tell that. If Saints fail though then Cortese fails.... and he will not want that at all. If the worst happens then it will effect both, there's Cortese's motivation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Yes. And they may think that. Their continued ownership of the club shows some kind of respect for their father's wishes though. Or they may think it would show more respect to their father by putting someone in charge who's not coming across like a complete c*nt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudders Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Lose his job, why? His record is fantastic. Exactly this. Whatever people think about some of his individual decisions, as a whole he has done wonders for Southampton football club and as such, regardless of our sentimental feelings about Adkins, we have to trust Cortese and the vision he has based on what he's done so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Exactly this. Whatever people think about some of his individual decisions, as a whole he has done wonders for Southampton football club and as such, regardless of our sentimental feelings about Adkins, we have to trust Cortese and the vision he has based on what he's done so far. Er no he hasnt. Its easy to look good temporarily when you are spending buckets of other peoples money - after that not so much. NA worked the wonders for Southampton. Cortese made a good appointment in NA and Pardew, maybe even in Porchettino - but he has alienated a vast portion of the fan / customer base, alienated much of the media, lost key staff repeatedly and disrupted the team half way through the season when it was climbing rapidly out of the mire. Bad judgement too often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudders Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Er no he hasnt. Its easy to look good temporarily when you are spending buckets of other peoples money - after that not so much. NA worked the wonders for Southampton. Cortese made a good appointment in NA and Pardew, maybe even in Porchettino - but he has alienated a vast portion of the fan / customer base, alienated much of the media, lost key staff repeatedly and disrupted the team half way through the season when it was climbing rapidly out of the mire. Bad judgement too often. He had a five year plan to get us back to the premiership, we're already there. You don't think that's a pretty good basis for us to trust him? He felt Adkins had a better chance of getting us promotion than Pards, I'd say that decision worked out well and whilst we'll never know if Pards could have also achieved the same results, clearly Cortese made a decision that worked out. Now he's decided someone else has a better chance of pushing on from here. Yeah of course a lot of fans aren't happy but if in another two years’ time this new manager is a legend and we're in an even better position as a club it'll have been worthwhile. In business (which includes football) sometimes the best decisions aren't the easiest decisions. Fans will come round if things work out. If key staff have been lost maybe they weren't up to the challenge and were wrong for the club. I'm not saying he couldn't have done things better, but I am still seeing enough good work as a whole to maintain my trust in Cortese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 He had a five year plan to get us back to the premiership, we're already there. You don't think that's a pretty good basis for us to trust him? He felt Adkins had a better chance of getting us promotion than Pards, I'd say that decision worked out well and whilst we'll never know if Pards could have also achieved the same results, clearly Cortese made a decision that worked out. Now he's decided someone else has a better chance of pushing on from here. Yeah of course a lot of fans aren't happy but if in another two years’ time this new manager is a legend and we're in an even better position as a club it'll have been worthwhile. In business (which includes football) sometimes the best decisions aren't the easiest decisions. Fans will come round if things work out. If key staff have been lost maybe they weren't up to the challenge and were wrong for the club. I'm not saying he couldn't have done things better, but I am still seeing enough good work as a whole to maintain my trust in Cortese. Depends whether you are the kind of person who thinks dumping on people or in order to get what you want is okay, or whether you'd rather give people the chance to succeed in the new opportunities they created. As others have stated - im not really interested in supporting a club which favours a revolving door of mercenaries. If you want talented players like Luke Shaw to remain loyal you have to show them loyalty means something to the club. Clearly it doesnt and as a result Im that much more distanced from it and less likely to turn out for games or enthuse to my kids about why Saints are so great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Depends whether you are the kind of person who thinks dumping on people or in order to get what you want is okay, or whether you'd rather give people the chance to succeed in the new opportunities they created. As others have stated - im not really interested in supporting a club which favours a revolving door of mercenaries. If you want talented players like Luke Shawto remain loyalty you have to show them loyalty and not chasing short term success means something to the club. Clearly it doesnt and as a result Im that much more distanced from it and less likely to turn out for games or enthuse to my kids about why Saints are so great. i agree...but where was your dismay and outrage for billy sharp..whos goals were uttelry vital last season...our even the bloody skipper, deam hammond.. sadly...its football as for not wanting to support a club with a revolving door...why on earth are you still supporting saints...as this is stability compared to a decade or so ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 i agree...but where was your dismay and outrage for billy sharp..whos goals were uttelry vital last season...our even the bloody skipper, deam hammond.. sadly...its football I was ****ed off about Billy Sharp too. I thought he had earned his shot at the PL. I doubted he was up to it, but he'd earned his chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 I was ****ed off about Billy Sharp too. I thought he had earned his shot at the PL. I doubted he was up to it, but he'd earned his chance. its essentially the same thing..yet we all loved the club after a week or so..or after we beat villa 4-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudders Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Depends whether you are the kind of person who thinks dumping on people or in order to get what you want is okay, or whether you'd rather give people the chance to succeed in the new opportunities they created. As others have stated - im not really interested in supporting a club which favours a revolving door of mercenaries. If you want talented players like Luke Shaw to remain loyal you have to show them loyalty means something to the club. Clearly it doesnt and as a result Im that much more distanced from it and less likely to turn out for games or enthuse to my kids about why Saints are so great. I can't really disagree with you here to be honest and personally I'd also rather we had stuck with Adkins. We'll never know what might have happened now, it's a shame, but as fans we also demand success and sometimes that comes at a price. It's not right but that's how it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 I was ****ed off about Billy Sharp too. I thought he had earned his shot at the PL. I doubted he was up to it, but he'd earned his chance. But Nigel decided he wasn't up to it and shipped him out. NC has decided NA isn't up to it, so has shipped him out. I'm really struggling to understand why NC is being called all sorts, when he's basically done to Nigel what Nigel did to Deano and Sharpe. Personally I wouldn't have sacked him, but I'm not running the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudders Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 I'm really struggling to understand why NC is being called all sorts, when he's basically done to Nigel what Nigel did to Deano and Sharpe. Because these people getting all hot & bothered about this are the same people that will tell you the decision made on Deano and Sharpe were made by the evil Cortese as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 But Nigel decided he wasn't up to it and shipped him out. NC has decided NA isn't up to it, so has shipped him out. I'm really struggling to understand why NC is being called all sorts, when he's basically done to Nigel what Nigel did to Deano and Sharpe. Personally I wouldn't have sacked him, but I'm not running the club. Apart from anything else its not even a good football decision. To swap out a manager who has just got 18 points in 12 games and replace him half way through the season with a guy sacked from Espanyol when they were bottom of league and doesnt even speak English to communicate with the players is just lunacy. Possibly, just possibly during the Summer, not now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Without Nicola Cortese there would be no Southampton Football Club. You ungrateful bastards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 remember where we were three years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Without Nicola Cortese there would be no Southampton Football Club. You ungrateful bastards. Hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Hilarious. Fact. And if you'd been following this club before this season then you might have a clue about our recent history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Apart from anything else its not even a good football decision. To swap out a manager who has just got 18 points in 12 games and replace him half way through the season with a guy sacked from Espanyol when they were bottom of league and doesnt even speak English to communicate with the players is just lunacy. Possibly, just possibly during the Summer, not now. Whether it's a good decision or not only time will tell. My point is that it was Nigel's job to decide which players were "up to it" and get rid of the ones he felt weren't. It is NC's job to do the same with the Manager and senior staff. Yet some are coming over all moral, and all " a part of my club died today". Adkins made a hard nosed decision to get rid of Deano, NC did the same. The moral's behind both decisions were exactly the same, yet NC is evil and Nigel a great guy.......................I dont get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Fact. And if you'd been following this club before this season then you might have a clue about our recent history. It is not a fact in any shape or form. You don't have a clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 It is not a fact in any shape or form. You don't have a clue. You sound like a skate in disguise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 You sound like a skate in disguise. Guilty as charged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Guilty as charged. At least you have an excuse for not knowing anything about the details of the Saints takeover then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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