Aren't we getting a little carried away?

[ByTheGolacs]

Now, first things first. I thought Nigel Adkins was a very good, very loyal young manager. One who had a really good chance of keeping us up and one who had the potential (potential not being equal to certainty mind you) to be a really top quality manager for many years to come.

 

But..................... Is anyone really naive enough to think that just because we pay for tickets and merchandise and call ourselves fans of Southampton that this gives us some kind right to have a say in who manages our club? This is a business - whether you like that or not - it is a business. And businesses are run by owners, who either run the business themselves (as I and many on this forum probably do too) OR they appoint someone they trust and respect to run the business for them.

 

Some who run a business have a style that involves consulting staff and customers on how they want/suggest the business ought to be run - others don't, they do what they think is for the best - because that is what they are paid to do, that is what their salary/bonus/dividends/profit-share depend upon, getting results. Personally I could not run my business if I spent all day taking into account the views of my customers and staff - they hold too many differing views - it would be a shambles. It is my job and my right to run my business as I see fit. I try not to go out of my way to do anything stupid - but I probably do - but that is my right - no-one elses.

 

Like it or not Marcus chose NC to do this, and the family have chosen to keep it that way. Marcus (who I believe most people on here think is a demi-god and saviour of our club quite rightly) trusted NC implicitly - so much so that he entrusted virtually the whole of the family's business interests to him after his death.

 

Now, seriously, is there anyone on this board or in the media who knows NC as well as Marcus did and his family still do? This is an appointed official who, in reality, has delivered (it would appear) everything that he was asked to do. He has increased the value of the asset (yes Southampton FC is an asset), in doing so he has improved the long-term prospects for the business (yes - Southampton FC is a business) AND he has, so far, done nothing but good for the club.

 

Yes he has, it would seem, ****ed a few people off. The Daily Echo, some in the media, some old players/managers and even some fans, all of whom believe (so this board and some media comments would suggest) that they have 'earned' some kind of special right to have a say in the running of the business or to have their opinion listened too. That's rubbish. He runs the club, he and only he is directly responsible to the owners and whether we or anyone else likes it or not no-one else has a 'right' to make these kind of decisions other than NC.

 

As I have said I liked Nigel very much, spoke to him on a couple of occasions whilst my son was playing for the Acadamy (have also spoken briefly to NC too btw and he was very polite and respectful btw) BUT this is life - NC is paid to make these decisions. He will rise or fall based upon those decisions too.

 

And for those fools who think that a protest, clapping for Nigel or boycotting will have anything other than a detrimental affect on the team they profess to love - then shame on you.

 

Send your emails and letters if you like, take a couple of days to moan and grumble to your mates down the pub and have your 5 minutes of fame on a forum or TalkSport and then get behind your team and your new manager and make sure that you are not partly responsible for the kind of fiasco that is currently engulfing Chelsea and happened recently at Blackburn. Anyone who plays any part in destablising the team at this most critical of times (and yes the easy, simplistic response is to say that NC has already done that) cannot, in my opinion, call themselves a true fan of Southampton.

 

Rant over!!!!!!!!!

[JustinR]

Fair point but maybe todays not the day

[alpine_saint]

You are absolutely right about this and a few people on here agree that protesting looks daft. We are not a PLC with shareholders anymore. I remember Fitzhugh Fella warning about this when we were taken over.

 

Didnt need another thread though. I just posted a similar sentiment on one of the "Burn an Effigy of NC" threads..

[Latheal]

Now, first things first. I thought Nigel Adkins was a very good, very loyal young manager. One who had a really good chance of keeping us up and one who had the potential (potential not being equal to certainty mind you) to be a really top quality manager for many years to come.

 

But..................... Is anyone really naive enough to think that just because we pay for tickets and merchandise and call ourselves fans of Southampton that this gives us some kind right to have a say in who manages our club? This is a business - whether you like that or not - it is a business. And businesses are run by owners, who either run the business themselves (as I and many on this forum probably do too) OR they appoint someone they trust and respect to run the business for them.

 

Some who run a business have a style that involves consulting staff and customers on how they want/suggest the business ought to be run - others don't, they do what they think is for the best - because that is what they are paid to do, that is what their salary/bonus/dividends/profit-share depend upon, getting results. Personally I could not run my business if I spent all day taking into account the views of my customers and staff - they hold too many differing views - it would be a shambles. It is my job and my right to run my business as I see fit. I try not to go out of my way to do anything stupid - but I probably do - but that is my right - no-one elses.

 

Like it or not Marcus chose NC to do this, and the family have chosen to keep it that way. Marcus (who I believe most people on here think is a demi-god and saviour of our club quite rightly) trusted NC implicitly - so much so that he entrusted virtually the whole of the family's business interests to him after his death.

 

Now, seriously, is there anyone on this board or in the media who knows NC as well as Marcus did and his family still do? This is an appointed official who, in reality, has delivered (it would appear) everything that he was asked to do. He has increased the value of the asset (yes Southampton FC is an asset), in doing so he has improved the long-term prospects for the business (yes - Southampton FC is a business) AND he has, so far, done nothing but good for the club.

 

Yes he has, it would seem, ****ed a few people off. The Daily Echo, some in the media, some old players/managers and even some fans, all of whom believe (so this board and some media comments would suggest) that they have 'earned' some kind of special right to have a say in the running of the business or to have their opinion listened too. That's rubbish. He runs the club, he and only he is directly responsible to the owners and whether we or anyone else likes it or not no-one else has a 'right' to make these kind of decisions other than NC.

 

As I have said I liked Nigel very much, spoke to him on a couple of occasions whilst my son was playing for the Acadamy (have also spoken briefly to NC too btw and he was very polite and respectful btw) BUT this is life - NC is paid to make these decisions. He will rise or fall based upon those decisions too.

 

And for those fools who think that a protest, clapping for Nigel or boycotting will have anything other than a detrimental affect on the team they profess to love - then shame on you.

 

Send your emails and letters if you like, take a couple of days to moan and grumble to your mates down the pub and have your 5 minutes of fame on a forum or TalkSport and then get behind your team and your new manager and make sure that you are not partly responsible for the kind of fiasco that is currently engulfing Chelsea and happened recently at Blackburn. Anyone who plays any part in destablising the team at this most critical of times (and yes the easy, simplistic response is to say that NC has already done that) cannot, in my opinion, call themselves a true fan of Southampton.

 

Rant over!!!!!!!!!

 

100% agree. Good post.

[Olallana]

Spot on.

 

And I have always find it strange that people here love and trust Marcus on one hand and then despite and attacking Cortese about almost everything.

If Marcus trusted in him, I most definitely will do.

 

That doesn´t mean that I like every decision, but it´s about the big picture after all....

[Suhari]

"I DON'T KNOW WHAT I AM SHOUTING ABOUT".

 

Yes. I think everyone does need to take a step back.

 

I'm saddened for how Nigel has been treated, but this new guy might be a genius.

 

Managers and players come and go, but we remain Saints.

[Mr X]

what was corteses real relationship with Markus and the family beyond being his financial advisor? we 're they long term friends even before he became involved in the money side?

[hypochondriac]

Been told before that the Liebherrs are not fans of cortese and that he was not as close to markus as he made out.

[Mr X]

Been told before that the Liebherrs are not fans of cortese and that he was not as close to markus as he made out.

 

who told you that?

[Under Weststand]

Your probably right, and I hope MP hits the ground running. Because if he doesn't then it will get ugly very quickly which will help no one. Especially Saints which what we all care about.

[pingwing]

If we finish in the champions league then yes we are all going to feel silly.

 

Chances are though we wont really do any better than we are doing now, suffer badly in a run of games that we need a manager will a well drilled team behind him for and generally feel stupid about this appointment.

[Frank's cousin]

100% agree

 

 

I hope when fan calm down they will see the bigger picture. I look it at like this. NC has a plan - some think its unrealistic pipedreams, but it is a plan driven by te esire to fulfil the ambition that Marcus appeared to have for the club. That plan has a strategy that he believes in - but that has put several in the game, ex players ex saints, and quite a few fans noses out of joint because its different to what some feel is the their way (and therefore the right way) of doing things.

 

This plan is obviously phased with phase I being to get back to the Prem. NIgel Adkins was employed to do that job - and he did that excellently - something for which he should be rightly proud of and one which we can rightly applaud him for. What ever happens in the the future, Nigel can rest assured that his status within our club folklore is assured and quite rightly as as result we hold him in high esteem and therefore all are saddened by his departure.

 

BUT as with any business, the plan is to bring in new faces when as as they are required and I believe that is why Nige seemed on a downer after the Cov game - he recognised he had completed his job and would soon be making way for the next man, the next chapter.

 

NC has the repsonsibilty as pointed out above and like many in business you are NEVER guarranteed that every appointment or strategy will work out - ofen risks are taken in good faith and yet most football fans seem to expect a 'perfect performance' simply because they believe in their 'emotional ownership' of the club...

 

I hope it works, not so that NC is seen as some sort of visionary but simply because it means the club makes more progress - the hand wringing, crying, protesting crowd who feel the need to publically emote their 'outrage' do this for selfish reasons - makes them feel better, but without considering what is best for teh team and the need for 3 points.

[Smirking_Saint]

The king is dead, long live the king

 

No need getting on pochs back, rally and support behind the boys

[hypochondriac]

who told you that?

 

Gordon Watson.

[Thedelldays]

Been told before that the Liebherrs are not fans of cortese and that he was not as close to markus as he made out.

you have been waiting for this day for so long...i bet you are splitting at the sides

 

on another note..i remember the outrage when pardew was moved on and how people were disgusted with adkins coming in

[ALWAYS_SFC]

100% agree

 

 

I hope when fan calm down they will see the bigger picture. I look it at like this. NC has a plan - some think its unrealistic pipedreams, but it is a plan driven by te esire to fulfil the ambition that Marcus appeared to have for the club. That plan has a strategy that he believes in - but that has put several in the game, ex players ex saints, and quite a few fans noses out of joint because its different to what some feel is the their way (and therefore the right way) of doing things.

 

This plan is obviously phased with phase I being to get back to the Prem. NIgel Adkins was employed to do that job - and he did that excellently - something for which he should be rightly proud of and one which we can rightly applaud him for. What ever happens in the the future, Nigel can rest assured that his status within our club folklore is assured and quite rightly as as result we hold him in high esteem and therefore all are saddened by his departure.

 

BUT as with any business, the plan is to bring in new faces when as as they are required and I believe that is why Nige seemed on a downer after the Cov game - he recognised he had completed his job and would soon be making way for the next man, the next chapter.

 

NC has the repsonsibilty as pointed out above and like many in business you are NEVER guarranteed that every appointment or strategy will work out - ofen risks are taken in good faith and yet most football fans seem to expect a 'perfect performance' simply because they believe in their 'emotional ownership' of the club...

 

I hope it works, not so that NC is seen as some sort of visionary but simply because it means the club makes more progress - the hand wringing, crying, protesting crowd who feel the need to publically emote their 'outrage' do this for selfish reasons - makes them feel better, but without considering what is best for teh team and the need for 3 points.

 

Good post Frank...we just have a bad feeling inside at the moment

Edited 18 January, 2013 by ALWAYS_SFC

[Mr X]

Gordon Watson.

hmmm maybe there's something in it why would the liebiers say that to basically an ex saints pundit

[hypochondriac]

you have been waiting for this day for so long...i bet you are splitting at the sides

 

on another note..i remember the outrage when pardew was moved on and how people were disgusted with adkins coming in

 

**** off Jamie. I never ever want Southampton FC to act in this manner. I have consistently said that for me it isn't the win at all costs mentality but about treating people with respect and showing loyalty. Adkins has totally proven himself this year and was improving so sacking him in this manner is disgraceful.

[hypochondriac]

hmmm maybe there's something in it why would the liebiers say that to basically an ex saints pundit

 

Don't think he spoke to them. The impression I got was that he had spoken to individuals who had been present when the Liebherrs were in attendance at the club. Possibly MLT.

[the stain]

Been told before that the Liebherrs are not fans of cortese and that he was not as close to markus as he made out.

 

who told you that?

 

Turkish

[the stain]

Spot on.

 

And I have always find it strange that people here love and trust Marcus on one hand and then despite and attacking Cortese about almost everything.

If Marcus trusted in him, I most definitely will do.

 

That doesn´t mean that I like every decision, but it´s about the big picture after all....

 

Markus was an hero to all of us and is now an angel, looking down upon us, taking photos with his trusty camera.

cortese is an evil man, finding new ways to upset saints fans.

If only Markus was still with us everything would be fine.

[Under Weststand]

100% agree

 

 

I hope when fan calm down they will see the bigger picture. I look it at like this. NC has a plan - some think its unrealistic pipedreams, but it is a plan driven by te esire to fulfil the ambition that Marcus appeared to have for the club. That plan has a strategy that he believes in - but that has put several in the game, ex players ex saints, and quite a few fans noses out of joint because its different to what some feel is the their way (and therefore the right way) of doing things.

 

This plan is obviously phased with phase I being to get back to the Prem. NIgel Adkins was employed to do that job - and he did that excellently - something for which he should be rightly proud of and one which we can rightly applaud him for. What ever happens in the the future, Nigel can rest assured that his status within our club folklore is assured and quite rightly as as result we hold him in high esteem and therefore all are saddened by his departure.

 

BUT as with any business, the plan is to bring in new faces when as as they are required and I believe that is why Nige seemed on a downer after the Cov game - he recognised he had completed his job and would soon be making way for the next man, the next chapter.

 

NC has the repsonsibilty as pointed out above and like many in business you are NEVER guarranteed that every appointment or strategy will work out - ofen risks are taken in good faith and yet most football fans seem to expect a 'perfect performance' simply because they believe in their 'emotional ownership' of the club...

 

I hope it works, not so that NC is seen as some sort of visionary but simply because it means the club makes more progress - the hand wringing, crying, protesting crowd who feel the need to publically emote their 'outrage' do this for selfish reasons - makes them feel better, but without considering what is best for teh team and the need for 3 points.

 

Cant really argue with any of that, just feels a bit like we've sold our soul to the devil today. And in our position we need everyone pulling together, to get us clear of the relegation places. Can you honestly say we're in a better position to do that tonight? We've taken a huge huge gamble today I hope it doesn't blow up in our faces.

[CB Saint]

Don't think he spoke to them. The impression I got was that he had spoken to individuals who had been present when the Liebherrs were in attendance at the club. Possibly MLT.

 

Lol. No axe to grind there. None at all.

[S-Clarke]

I think protests are slightly over the top, there's no real need for that. I think we need to find a way to just support the club and push this club forward, because these players will need us more than ever now. They probably haven't got a clue who is coaching them now.

 

I'm struggling to make a comment on the new bloke as I haven't got the foggiest who the hell he is. All I can find is that he was sacked by Espanyol after a poor run of results, and has been out of work for months. Excellent.

 

He's already got a massive job on here, so let's not make it impossibly hard for him. The club has made the horrific decision to do what it's done, it can't be changed. It's still Southampton, it's still our club, so let's make sure we still make the best of it.

[Winchester Red]

Gordon Watson is a very close friend of MLT

 

Difficult to believe he would promote a negative story about NC isn't it.....

[DT]

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11700/8408336/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

[Sour Mash]

Now, first things first. I thought Nigel Adkins was a very good, very loyal young manager. One who had a really good chance of keeping us up and one who had the potential (potential not being equal to certainty mind you) to be a really top quality manager for many years to come.

 

But..................... Is anyone really naive enough to think that just because we pay for tickets and merchandise and call ourselves fans of Southampton that this gives us some kind right to have a say in who manages our club? This is a business - whether you like that or not - it is a business. And businesses are run by owners, who either run the business themselves (as I and many on this forum probably do too) OR they appoint someone they trust and respect to run the business for them.

 

Some who run a business have a style that involves consulting staff and customers on how they want/suggest the business ought to be run - others don't, they do what they think is for the best - because that is what they are paid to do, that is what their salary/bonus/dividends/profit-share depend upon, getting results. Personally I could not run my business if I spent all day taking into account the views of my customers and staff - they hold too many differing views - it would be a shambles. It is my job and my right to run my business as I see fit. I try not to go out of my way to do anything stupid - but I probably do - but that is my right - no-one elses.

 

Like it or not Marcus chose NC to do this, and the family have chosen to keep it that way. Marcus (who I believe most people on here think is a demi-god and saviour of our club quite rightly) trusted NC implicitly - so much so that he entrusted virtually the whole of the family's business interests to him after his death.

 

Now, seriously, is there anyone on this board or in the media who knows NC as well as Marcus did and his family still do? This is an appointed official who, in reality, has delivered (it would appear) everything that he was asked to do. He has increased the value of the asset (yes Southampton FC is an asset), in doing so he has improved the long-term prospects for the business (yes - Southampton FC is a business) AND he has, so far, done nothing but good for the club.

 

Yes he has, it would seem, ****ed a few people off. The Daily Echo, some in the media, some old players/managers and even some fans, all of whom believe (so this board and some media comments would suggest) that they have 'earned' some kind of special right to have a say in the running of the business or to have their opinion listened too. That's rubbish. He runs the club, he and only he is directly responsible to the owners and whether we or anyone else likes it or not no-one else has a 'right' to make these kind of decisions other than NC.

 

As I have said I liked Nigel very much, spoke to him on a couple of occasions whilst my son was playing for the Acadamy (have also spoken briefly to NC too btw and he was very polite and respectful btw) BUT this is life - NC is paid to make these decisions. He will rise or fall based upon those decisions too.

 

And for those fools who think that a protest, clapping for Nigel or boycotting will have anything other than a detrimental affect on the team they profess to love - then shame on you.

 

Send your emails and letters if you like, take a couple of days to moan and grumble to your mates down the pub and have your 5 minutes of fame on a forum or TalkSport and then get behind your team and your new manager and make sure that you are not partly responsible for the kind of fiasco that is currently engulfing Chelsea and happened recently at Blackburn. Anyone who plays any part in destablising the team at this most critical of times (and yes the easy, simplistic response is to say that NC has already done that) cannot, in my opinion, call themselves a true fan of Southampton.

 

Rant over!!!!!!!!!

How many businesses that are based on "consumers" completely ignore the views of their core customers? Football clubs are lucky that their customers put up for it, but football fan's patience isn't infinite.

 

And the club does still belong to us. In Italy and Germany, fans know how important they are and wield their power accordingly. Without fans there is no club.

[manji]

Gordon Watson.

Another **** stirrer like MLT. Surprised we havnt heard from Mike Osman yet. He must be busy.

[View From The Top]

As long as fans passively allow themselves to be butt fu.cked then they deserve everything they get.

 

I'll be loud and vociferous in my objections to this decision & to those who don't like it, go fu.ck yourself.

[Gaz@Maybush]

Now, first things first. I thought Nigel Adkins was a very good, very loyal young manager. One who had a really good chance of keeping us up and one who had the potential (potential not being equal to certainty mind you) to be a really top quality manager for many years to come.

 

But..................... Is anyone really naive enough to think that just because we pay for tickets and merchandise and call ourselves fans of Southampton that this gives us some kind right to have a say in who manages our club? This is a business - whether you like that or not - it is a business. And businesses are run by owners, who either run the business themselves (as I and many on this forum probably do too) OR they appoint someone they trust and respect to run the business for them.

 

Some who run a business have a style that involves consulting staff and customers on how they want/suggest the business ought to be run - others don't, they do what they think is for the best - because that is what they are paid to do, that is what their salary/bonus/dividends/profit-share depend upon, getting results. Personally I could not run my business if I spent all day taking into account the views of my customers and staff - they hold too many differing views - it would be a shambles. It is my job and my right to run my business as I see fit. I try not to go out of my way to do anything stupid - but I probably do - but that is my right - no-one elses.

 

Like it or not Marcus chose NC to do this, and the family have chosen to keep it that way. Marcus (who I believe most people on here think is a demi-god and saviour of our club quite rightly) trusted NC implicitly - so much so that he entrusted virtually the whole of the family's business interests to him after his death.

 

Now, seriously, is there anyone on this board or in the media who knows NC as well as Marcus did and his family still do? This is an appointed official who, in reality, has delivered (it would appear) everything that he was asked to do. He has increased the value of the asset (yes Southampton FC is an asset), in doing so he has improved the long-term prospects for the business (yes - Southampton FC is a business) AND he has, so far, done nothing but good for the club.

 

Yes he has, it would seem, ****ed a few people off. The Daily Echo, some in the media, some old players/managers and even some fans, all of whom believe (so this board and some media comments would suggest) that they have 'earned' some kind of special right to have a say in the running of the business or to have their opinion listened too. That's rubbish. He runs the club, he and only he is directly responsible to the owners and whether we or anyone else likes it or not no-one else has a 'right' to make these kind of decisions other than NC.

 

As I have said I liked Nigel very much, spoke to him on a couple of occasions whilst my son was playing for the Acadamy (have also spoken briefly to NC too btw and he was very polite and respectful btw) BUT this is life - NC is paid to make these decisions. He will rise or fall based upon those decisions too.

 

And for those fools who think that a protest, clapping for Nigel or boycotting will have anything other than a detrimental affect on the team they profess to love - then shame on you.

 

Send your emails and letters if you like, take a couple of days to moan and grumble to your mates down the pub and have your 5 minutes of fame on a forum or TalkSport and then get behind your team and your new manager and make sure that you are not partly responsible for the kind of fiasco that is currently engulfing Chelsea and happened recently at Blackburn. Anyone who plays any part in destablising the team at this most critical of times (and yes the easy, simplistic response is to say that NC has already done that) cannot, in my opinion, call themselves a true fan of Southampton.

 

Rant over!!!!!!!!!

 

Good point(s) mate, very well presented

[manji]

As long as fans passively allow themselves to be butt fu.cked then they deserve everything they get.

 

I'll be loud and vociferous in my objections to this decision & to those who don't like it, go fu.ck yourself.

 

As long as so called fans like yourself act like morons you will be treated like morons.

[Griffo]

I don't want to be in the Champions League. I don't want to have a team full of foreigners on 100k a week. I just want a club that respects and cares for its fans. It seems most of our support, as VFFT says, are just accepting this. We've got no backbone.

[LGTL]

I don't want to be in the Champions League. I don't want to have a team full of foreigners on 100k a week. I just want a club that respects and cares for its fans. It seems most of our support, as VFFT says, are just accepting this. We've got no backbone.

 

100% this. Add a club that represents my city well.

 

Today, it hasn't.

[OLDER BUT WISER]

I have read hundreds of posts today and I find myself siding with those who say we have lost all respect today and any fan who says I do not give a s...t as long as we are successful then think how you would feel if you were treated like this

[Wes Tender]

How many businesses that are based on "consumers" completely ignore the views of their core customers? Football clubs are lucky that their customers put up for it, but football fan's patience isn't infinite.

 

And the club does still belong to us. In Italy and Germany, fans know how important they are and wield their power accordingly. Without fans there is no club.

 

It's not often I find myself agreeing with you, SM, but this is one such occasion. I also run my own business and BTG is correct in saying that Cortese is the man in charge and can do what he likes, what he considers to be the right course of action.

 

But the only thing that BTG didn't take into consideration is the part that the paying customers play in the success or failure of a business like this. OK, the very nature of football fans is such that the real fans will follow the team through thick and thin regardless, but they don't like their support to be taken for granted. I'm not advocating that they be consulted on how the club is run, but when a manager is as popular with the fanbase as Adkins was, then it shouldn't come as any surprise that there will be some strong reactions when a new manager is appointed who in most peoples' minds does not have the prowess and reputation to be an obvious replacement. We expect that new players are signed because they are better than what we have, so why shouldn't the replacement of the manager be on the same basis? He might turn out to be, but as he has very little management experience, and less in the Premiership than Adkins and none in England, then if this appointment backfires, then Cortese will justifiably have to face the wrath of the paying customers of this business.

[doggface]

For once I agree with Manji, as much as I respect Matt, Watson Franny etc (old school), part of me is starting to think they would be happier in L1 with them in full control.

 

Sad to say, their hatred towards Cortese (and I don't think he is an angel btw) over takes everything these days. He hasnt done too bad managing the club so far has he?

 

Pardew was the right call, let's have an open mind and get behind the new regime.

[ByTheGolacs]

It's not often I find myself agreeing with you, SM, but this is one such occasion. I also run my own business and BTG is correct in saying that Cortese is the man in charge and can do what he likes, what he considers to be the right course of action.

 

But the only thing that BTG didn't take into consideration is the part that the paying customers play in the success or failure of a business like this. OK, the very nature of football fans is such that the real fans will follow the team through thick and thin regardless, but they don't like their support to be taken for granted. I'm not advocating that they be consulted on how the club is run, but when a manager is as popular with the fanbase as Adkins was, then it shouldn't come as any surprise that there will be some strong reactions when a new manager is appointed who in most peoples' minds does not have the prowess and reputation to be an obvious replacement. We expect that new players are signed because they are better than what we have, so why shouldn't the replacement of the manager be on the same basis? He might turn out to be, but as he has very little management experience, and less in the Premiership than Adkins and none in England, then if this appointment backfires, then Cortese will justifiably have to face the wrath of the paying customers of this business.

 

Wes, i agree with much of what you say and your posts are almost always well thought out and reasonable, but in this case I did take it into account.In a 'normal' business I would agree with you wholeheartedly. But this is football, and NC knows that if he brings success he will a) have the continued backing of the Liebherrs and make a load of money and enhance his reputation and end up as President/CEO at Inter or AC in 5/10 years time and b) most fans will completely forget this 'anger' because if the team improves and secures its' place in the Premier League and perhaps wins something or gets into Europe, very few people will give a hoot. It may be wrong, it may even be sad, but it is how driven, focussed, win at all costs people work. And I suspect that NC is off that 'ilk.

[Frank's cousin]

I don't want to be in the Champions League. I don't want to have a team full of foreigners on 100k a week. I just want a club that respects and cares for its fans. It seems most of our support, as VFFT says, are just accepting this. We've got no backbone.

 

... but why are so many so vocal and angry when we lose, get relegated, have a **** side? Was the victimisation of Branfoot justified, if all we want is a club that cares and succes sand results is not important - maybe we should look at ourselves first before we start mud slinging - most fans want it both ways and when it suits them.

 

Sorry, but for the majority it is about winning and most will forgive the 'morality' issues and forget if we have that success whatever we would like to think.... just on days like today all fans are suddenly angelic moral crusaders castigating the evil dictator...