MarkSFC Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 ...it doesn't mean it is actually the wrong one. I understand the "shock", I am by the timing and as much as I admire Adkins for what he has done I think this could be a master-stroke (again-like NA before) by Cortese. The best time to make changes is when things are going ok or have plateaued rather than when the performances are dropping off. I completely get the furore and reaction on here - us Saints fans are a passionate lot but we MUST get behind the team AND the the new man AND Cortese. To be fair to NC he really hasn't got the big decisions wrong so far...this is his biggest call and he can only be judged in the weeks and months that follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Agree. NC's track record is flawless when it comes to the big decisions. So there is no reason to believe this won't be the same. It could go horribly wrong, of course it could, but there's f*ck all we can do about it now. One things for sure it's never dull being a Saints fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 May not be wrong in terms of future results, we'll never know how Adkins would have done over the next few years will we. But it's 100% wrong in terms of loyalty, respect, appreciation and basically anything you'd want your club to stand for. If you're behind such behaviour in the quest for results, it seems no player, staff or manager matters, fans don't matter, the history doesn't matter, so what the hell is the club? Just another soulless business that happens to be based in Southampton. Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 May not be wrong in terms of future results, we'll never know how Adkins would have done over the next few years will we. But it's 100% wrong in terms of loyalty, respect, appreciation and basically anything you'd want your club to stand for. If you're behind such behaviour in the quest for results, it seems no player, staff or manager matters, fans don't matter, the history doesn't matter, so what the hell is the club? Just another soulless business that happens to be based in Southampton. Spot in. Superb post and I have been a critic of yours recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 The best time to make changes is when things are going ok Yeah, things went great when Strachan left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Spot on indeed, but like it or not, most if not all top-flight football clubs are indeed soulless businesses that happen to be based in [insert city here] and have been for some time. As has been posted elsewhere, either we accept that, fight it, or walk away. Football has changed, Southampton has changed. I don't like it either, but it's true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaford Saint Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 The title is inaccurate, I don't like the decision. It is the wrong decision, we'll never know what Nigel could have gone on to achieve here. He surely had turned the corner....Arsenal 1 all Chelsea 2 all A newly promoted time struggles shocker. He had surely turned it round I am not saying the new guy won't do well but Nigel was doing it anyway....momentum and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 The title is inaccurate, I don't like the decision. It is the wrong decision... Well, we'll never know either way. I personally agree that Nigel had momentum and would've taken us on, but there is no way to know for certain or compare with the new guy. This decision is clearly not based on Adkins' results or form, but on future plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madruss Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Like it or not, adkins has built something good here. That has now been destroyed and will need to be re-built. We're only 3 points off the relegation zone, there's not a great deal of room to manoeuvre here. This guy will need to be a miracle worker to keep us up. The current squad bought into nigel and believed in him, and the success that he has brought to this club. The spirit and ethos that has been destroyed will need to be repaired, and fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 May not be wrong in terms of future results, we'll never know how Adkins would have done over the next few years will we. But it's 100% wrong in terms of loyalty, respect, appreciation and basically anything you'd want your club to stand for. If you're behind such behaviour in the quest for results, it seems no player, staff or manager matters, fans don't matter, the history doesn't matter, so what the hell is the club? Just another soulless business that happens to be based in Southampton. On. The. Money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Spot on indeed, but like it or not, most if not all top-flight football clubs are indeed soulless businesses that happen to be based in [insert city here] and have been for some time. As has been posted elsewhere, either we accept that, fight it, or walk away. Football has changed, Southampton has changed. I don't like it either, but it's true. It doesnt even make any football sense. The declared plan of the club is to produce lots of home grown players and retain them. Hows that loyalty and team spirit argument going to pan out when Saints are trying to encourage them to stay but Man U and Arsenal are offering more money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Let's not forget that when Pinocchio was brought in at Espanyol they were facing relegation and he kept them up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 May not be wrong in terms of future results, we'll never know how Adkins would have done over the next few years will we. But it's 100% wrong in terms of loyalty, respect, appreciation and basically anything you'd want your club to stand for. If you're behind such behaviour in the quest for results, it seems no player, staff or manager matters, fans don't matter, the history doesn't matter, so what the hell is the club? Just another soulless business that happens to be based in Southampton. Great great post. Shame on the weasels spouting "pragmatism" today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Great great post. Shame on the weasels spouting "pragmatism" today. Bit harsh. As I said, I agree with Adrian, it is wrong on all those counts, but those things have generally long gone in football. It's not about pragmatism for me, but recognising that the SFC many of us knew and loved is long gone. I'm not happy about that, but if I want to follow Saints going forward I have to either accept it or try to change it in some way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Bit harsh. As I said, I agree with Adrian, it is wrong on all those counts, but those things have generally long gone in football. It's not about pragmatism for me, but recognising that the SFC many of us knew and loved is long gone. I'm not happy about that, but if I want to follow Saints going forward I have to either accept it or try to change it in some way. It's far more harsh to coldly reserve judgement on this decision on the off chance we might win more football matches in the future. Sorry, that is harsh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didcot Saint Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 I'm sorry, but I for one don't want a nasty, self centred, arrogant, bigoted and quite frankly the most disrespectful Tosser ever to grace our club in charge. I don't care how much success he brings, his style is shamefull. It's our club, not that c...nt's and we are now a laughing stock. I hope the bloke gets all the stick he deserves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 It's far more harsh to coldly reserve judgement on this decision on the off chance we might win more football matches in the future. Sorry, that is harsh. I was simply referring to you calling people 'weasels', that's what I thought was harsh. How people view the decision and the future is down the individual. For me, it's two seperate things though... the decision to sack Adkins which I'm gutted about and unreservedly disagree with... and the decision to appoint Pochettino and how we'll do going forward, which to be honest I think is not a discussion for today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 It may turn out to be the right decision. Time will tell. But it also might turn out to be the wrong decision too. A good point that Jamie Redknapp made was that by sacking Adkins the expectations have changed. Adkins was expected to keep Saints up. He got them to 15th and we were looking like pressing on from there. The new guy is not being brought in to simply keep us up he is being brought in to try and push us on further. That is why he is here. So basically Cortese thinks the side should be higher up the table. I hope it works out but right now it looks like maddness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 @Nathaniel_Clyne: Looking Forward To Working With The New Gaffer, Hate To See A Manager Get Sacked, But I'm Sure He Will Be Back In The Game Soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 @solentsport: MP: "Gaining the kindness of the supporters is one of the biggest challenges I have" #saintsfc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Losing a manager when a team is doing well usually has a bad effect. I would put money on us going down now. It all depends on how it effects the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Win some games, keep us up, and the fickle fans will come up with a song for the new Emperor. Adkins will be a distant memory, someone remembered with great fondness, but that is all. We harp on about wanting something more than a Club, we harp on about loyalty, pride and honour, but when push comes to shove if this bloke delivers results, then all will be forgotten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 We weren't doing terribly when Pardew was sacked and a less experienced but highly rated young manager came in. We were starting to make progress. Sounds similar to now really. I'll wait to see whether it's the right or wrong decision, only time will answer that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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