trousers Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 It's not pragmatic to so blindly follow Saints to the extent you can't see this as a strange decision. I've already said the timing of the decision is "strange". It is possible to reflect on a strange decision in a pragmatic fashion. If we end up getting relegated because of this decision then I'll be first in the queue to reflect on how bad it a decision it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Do you ever get the feeling Cortese has been waiting to do this following two defeats to make it seem less of bummer sacking Adkins, only for us not to lose two in a row for ages... I think you could well be right. In a bizarre way the good result against Chelsea could have sealed it. It looks like Cortese was set on this and was waiting for the moment, but after Chelsea the prospect of a win against Everton and nearing mid-table would have made it difficult, so he jumped before things got even better for NA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 (edited) "Diana Effect" I like that although I suspect it will go over most fans heads. Probably because they thought it absolutely normal to weep and wail for months over a girl they didn't know and knew nothing about. Ah you British......don't know what would happen if we ever got into another close to home war. Edited 18 January, 2013 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Leake Saint Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 As a Saints fan for 40 plus years,I am disgusted at the decision to sack Nigel Adkins today. He deserved better than this, and so did the fans. I was at Villa Park on saturday and to a man, all 3000 Saints fans sang his name at numerous points throughout the game. This decision has brought our club into the spotlight for all the wrong reasons, and I am ashamed to support my hometown club today. The decision may well prove to be inspired in the long run, but the way Adkins has been treated will always reflect badly on Saints. I would rather have stayed loyal to Mr Adkins and seen us relegated (and I didn't think we would under Adkins), than see an honest, hard working, talented man treated in this way, and my club pilloried in the way that the media are rightly doing. The lack of respect for Adkins and the vast majority of Southampton fans is saddening. This is a dark day for the football club that I love. This decision was not taken this decision in my name. I know that some will not agree with my comment about relegation, but plain and simple, the guy deserved better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobes8 Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Cortese is an absolute muppett who has no connection whatsoever with the fans, just get the f*%k out of our club. Feel for Nigel but will find a new job very soon I hope. Monday night, support the new guy, give cortese hell! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjsaint Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 C***tese is such a cort. I need to make a decision as to how involved I want to be with SFC in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 (edited) I think you could well be right. In a bizarre way the good result against Chelsea could have sealed it. It looks like Cortese was set on this and was waiting for the moment, but after Chelsea the prospect of a win against Everton and nearing mid-table would have made it difficult, do he jumped before things got even better for NA. It was done before apparently, I expect Nigel knew, might even have told the players at half-time to gee them up. Probably why Chaplow got a run out and Seaborne nearly did the game before, looked strange that. NA sidelines good players like Lee and Mayuka but gives "the lads" a PL run out. Edited 18 January, 2013 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Absolutely baffling and shocking decision, but we've got to get behind the new manager now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colehillsaint Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 But we wont know for a while if the decision is ****. You can't fault many of NC's decisions to date. My point is more about when people talk about "steel and ambition". I would have had enough steel to sack Nigel Adkins. You just call him into your office and say "Nigel you are sacked". It doesn't take much really. If you believe it is a good decision take a straw poll of everyone in and around football this morning. You are betting with one businessman, against the vast majority of the football world. You're right in that we don't know for sure yet, but I know where my bet would be. Mugs think life is all about being hard. Shrewd operators understand that the true art is to look hard, with a careful eye on taking people with you. NC today = massive fail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Gutted, not excited about Saints now. Hope this works out for Saints. I will never forget how we canned Nichol as he had "taken as far as he could" and brought in Branfoot to "take us to the next level"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 To me, the best way to 'honour' Adkins is to react in the same way that he would have done if he were us....i.e. philosophically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 In hindsight, every time we start a new game as Southampton on Football Manager we're effectively sacking Nigel in this way! :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Boring post as usual. Pull you're head out of you're backside. blinkered as usual.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 I hope I'm wrong, but I find it hard to think the positivity, calm analysis and intelligent approach seen under Nigel can easily be replaced, but we'll have to see. Just hope that something even better is being brought in, but finding it hard to believe that yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Confused, frustrated , perplexed,exasperated,angry , bewildered , FLUUUUCKED OFF etc etc.... When many of our Managers have been moved on..... But this has totally gobsmacked me... BUT Like all other times ..we pick ourselves up AND support the team and hope that we somehow continue onwards and upwards... VERY STRANGE..... sORRY...FORGOT TO MENTION...............puzzled......TOTALLY PUZZLED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 I think this is about right... If it had been di matteo maybe the reaction would have been different... good luck mauricio... you are going to need it... "And when Cortese saw the breadth of his domain, he wept, for there were no more worlds to conquer." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 To try and understand what is behind this strange decision it maybe best to look at Cortese's words. "for the Club to progress and achieve our long-term targets a change was needed...... Mauricio is a well-respected coach of substantial quality who has gained a reputation as an astute tactician and excellent man manager. I have every confidence that he will inspire our talented squad of players to perform at the highest possible level. He also shares my belief that the most successful clubs are built by nurturing young players through a development system that provides a clear path to the First Team, thereby creating a culture that keeps them at the Club for the long term. " Some key words are "nurturing young players through a development system that provides a clear path to the First Team .... long term". Is it the problem over the 4-5-1 vs 442 system that Adkins has sometimes used? Is it a problem with Adkins not wishing to throw in another youngster into the team? That is where I suggest people look into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plonko Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 W5 D7 L10 Clearly not good enough for an ambitious man like NC. Let's get behind the new bloke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie saint Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 What a shame. He seemed like a nice bloke, who did a fantastic job, and seemed to be improving in the job at this level. But - I'd like to be reminded of what some people on here thought about him (and Pardew, if it comes to that: Bristol Rovers 0, Saints 4whilst 14th in Div 3 anyone?) back in Sept '10... I seem to recall NA proved a few people wrong. I hope the new manager does the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsacar saint Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 The timing is totally unacceptable,Nigel had to be given until at least the end of the season,to see where the club is at then.If some of the supposition on this topic is true,why did Cortese not get rid of Nigel straight after the WBA game,because many of us fans,would not have been as angry and dismayed as we are now. The real worry is how this decision will affect the players and de-stablize the club and how will it impact on signing the players we were close to signing. Thank you Nigel,for all you have done for this club,you are a totally decent man and I wish you all the best in your future career. As for you Mr Cortese,I really hope that you have thought this through,the fact that the guy does not speak English,really does not sound too encouraging at this moment in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlb79 Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Does anyone recall that interview Nige did soon after last season ended, when he seemed to hint that he didn't expect to be around for the long(er) term? I wonder if he always knew Cortese's plan was to bring in a 'sexier' name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 I am disgusted and appalled - and i think I have nothing in common whatsoever with the johnny-come-lately Cortese who i regard as a treacherous idiot. I have been a Saints fan since 1959 and i don't think i have ever felt so angry about a saints decision. I am a season ticket holder but I feel my loyalty is being strained almost to breaking point. This decision has brought shame and ridicule on our club and it is indeed shameful to treat Nigel Adkins in this way. It is contemptuous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Does anyone recall that interview Nige did soon after last season ended, when he seemed to hint that he didn't expect to be around for the long(er) term? I wonder if he always knew Cortese's plan was to bring in a 'sexier' name? it was rumoured that he was going to resign after the Coventry game and got talked out of it. Cortese probably always held that over him and resented it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 This is a massive kick in the balls, it feels like someone has died and I just want to wake up and find out it was all a bad dream. Who knows how the new fella will do, it is a hell of a gamble. Just think the way we handled it has been proper ****. Nigel will get a good pay-out and walk into a job closer to home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 I've been away all week, flew back home this morning. Was well pleased with a point v Chelsea. I freely admit, I was very much in the minority earlier in the season when I thought the club would be best served by replacing Adkins. But, again admit, I was proved wrong. We look a far more solid side now, and have had a decent run in the last dozen or so games. So I am amazed that Cortese has chosen to do this now. I feel extremely sorry for Nigel Adkins. I am now extremely worried about our chances of staying up now, when a few hours earlier I wasn't. I wish Adkins well. I am more than a bit gutted at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 The Metro was only speculating about managers who deserve a crack at the so-called bigger jobs & Nige was one name mentioned. Our response?. Blackpool then Everton when moyes replaces fergie? Wherever he goes, I wish him well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midwintersaint Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Well, I don't think I've ever felt so gutted about football in my life. Thank you Nigel, for a superb two and a half years, all the best for the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzzza Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Absolute disgrace and a massive mistake. Nigel is transparently a good coach, great man manager and thoroughly decent man. A real sportsman and should have been with us for at least a decade . Feel like returning my season ticket at the moment, incandescent with frustrated anger. Nigel, you did not deserve this and will always be a Saints legend for me. spot on, will boycott st marys in protest. email liebherrs your opions -- info.lgb@liebherr.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsash saint Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 P*mpey - Wigan of the South Saints -Blackburn of the South I would just like to know why ?? Everyone I have spoke to this morning, Chelsea, Man U, P*mpe, Arsenal fans, are as shocked as me. Joke of a club again !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 spot on, will boycott st marys in protest. email liebherrs your opions -- info.lgb@liebherr.com why involve people who have absolutely nothing to do with SFC. We are not owned by the Liebherr group, it is nothing to do with them. God I don't know how many times I have to explain this. SFC is owned by NC to all intents and purposes. He runs all of the late and regretted Markus's businesses now. Not that they were anything to do with the Liebherr group in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimond Geezer Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Thanks for all you've done Nigel, & good luck for the future. I can see this coming back to bite us on the arse. I'm off to build a snowman in the likeness of Cortese, then take my frustration out on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonraker Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 I am very saddened for NA an honourable, talented and successful manager who will always have a very special place in the history of Southampton Football Club. I have no idea whether this appointment will work or not. Chief Executive Types are typically driven individuals with a vision and once they decide a direction of travel and the means to get them there nothing will sway them. If their decisions prove wrong they themselves nearly always fall, if right they are lauded and rewarded and these types of decision become a footnote in history. As previously mentioned loyalty is the preserve of us fan not the business that is football or those employed in it. A number of board members have stated on more than one occasion that if Liverpool offered NA a job he would jump at it and rightly so. Today and I say this with regret, a chapter in the history of SFC has closed, tomorrow a new one begins where it will take us nobody on this board knows but I will as always be excited and optimistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Scott Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 BBC Solent Sport @solentsport Confirmed by #Saintsfc that backroom staff Andy Crosby, Dean Wilkins & Jim Stannard have all left the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 BBC Solent Sport @solentsport Confirmed by #Saintsfc that backroom staff Andy Crosby, Dean Wilkins & Jim Stannard have all left the club good, don't want Wilkins hanging around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Le Shearer Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Ridicoulous decision, and totally wrong timing! To maximise our chance of staying up, NA should have stayed until the end of the season, regardless of percieved "long term benefits". Our long term benefit is depending on us staying up FFS, and this decision, at this time, could cost us our PL-status!! **** Off Nicole C, you *****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzzza Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 (edited) why involve people who have absolutely nothing to do with SFC. We are not owned by the Liebherr group, it is nothing to do with them. God I don't know how many times I have to explain this. SFC is owned by NC to all intents and purposes. He runs all of the late and regretted Markus's businesses now. Not that they were anything to do with the Liebherr group in the first place. clever clogs,are you sure ? if people knew how disgusted fans are with cortese they might query his decisions, thats all. Edited 18 January, 2013 by gazzzza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkeley Saint Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 What news of Crosby and Wilkins ? If the new man doesn't speak English, then who's going to "manage" the team during the match ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 What news of Crosby and Wilkins ? If the new man doesn't speak English, then who's going to "manage" the team during the match ? Gone, all of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Charteris Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 BBC Solent Sport @solentsport Confirmed by #Saintsfc that backroom staff Andy Crosby, Dean Wilkins & Jim Stannard have all left the club The timing of this is just baffling. How will this help the team on Monday Mr. Cortese? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 The last time Cortese sacked a manger and appointed a "nobody" it didn't really turn out that bad did it? Yes the timing isn't perfect, but if Cortese thinks MP is the best man for the long run of our club, then so be it. He knows more about what the club wants/needs then any of us on here. Back Pochettino, we seem to have bagged ourselves a very talented young manager to go along with our very talented young squad. To coin a famous phrase, we need to draw a line under it and move on. Pochettino's Red Army... p.s Let's hope the new guy knows the difference between a clap and a wave... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RinNY Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 I'm frankly stunned that this has happened: didn't see it coming at all (lots of rumours, of course, but they are usually crap), and I must say it seems really unfair to Adkins, who is a great guy and an excellent manager, doing a terrific job. I wish Adkins all the best for the future: he'll always be a big part of Saints' history, and I'd expect him to be a success elsewhere. That said, Cortese during his time in charge has gotten most things right, and seems to know what he's doing. I didn't like the Pardew appointment, but Pardew did a great job for us. I was stunned by the Pardew sacking, but Adkins came in and got us promoted twice. If Cortese thinks this is the right time to make a change, and Pocchetino is the right man to take us forward, I think he's earned the right to be given the benefit of the doubt. When you look at where we were when Cortese took control, and where we are now: his record of success speaks for itself. Let's all back Pocchetino. No booing, no Chelsea like disruption. The club is bigger than any one man, however much we may be dismayed at Adkins; dismissal: all behind Pocchetino now, I'd say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 clever clogs, if people knew how disgusted fans are with cortese they might query his decisions, thats all. I give up, you might as well text the Queen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 What news of Crosby and Wilkins ? Crosby, Wilkins and Stannard have left aswell. If the new man doesn't speak English, then who's going to "manage" the team during the match ? Rather worryingly, his translator? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latheal Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Absolutely gutted he's gone, loved his style and what he has done for the club, but that's modern football. Worried this new guy can't even speak English but there is no way I will boo, or boycott. It's still the club I support, I'll be there on Monday. Get behind the lads. There is still a Premiership season to finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Any news on this conference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Any news on this conference? It'll be on Saints Player later today in full. A shorter version of it will also probably be put on the club's youtube channel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 The timing of this is just baffling. How will this help the team on Monday Mr. Cortese? If he tightens up the defence a bit on Saturday and Sunday we might not be behind at half time and then go on to win. Defence was still a shambles at times on Wednesday. We had to deploy 4 midfielders very deep to get them out of hock on occasions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Absolutely disgusting. I am ashamed of what my club, sorry Nicola Cortese, has done today. Quite rightly every football fan in the country is now hoping we go down, and I don't blame them. We have sacked an inspirational, honest, hardworking young manager who has led us to successive promotions and has now found his feet in the Prem. A very lucky club is going to get him. Nigel - you are and always will be a Saints legend. Cortese, you should hang your head in shame. Absolutely gutted and disgusted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 To be fair we have been banging on about signing an international centre-back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkeley Saint Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Crosby, Wilkins and Stannard have left aswell. Rather worryingly, his translator? Or Jason Dodd - and the players won't understand him ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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