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  1. 1. Is sacking Nigel Adkins today the correct decision?


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Shamefull.A black day in the history of Southampton Football Club. Mr C you have made us a laughing stock. Feel sorry for Nigel Adkins and feel sorry for the new bloke too. Can only hope the Argies do not invade the Faulklands again as we shall be looking for another manager too. NC has made a big, big decision and I only hope it does not take us down.

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Fair enough in showing our support to a man who's been a Saints legend in the last few years and showing our disagreement with the decision to remove him however I reckon we should keep these chants to before the match and after the match. Not during the match (if at all).

 

It's not the new guy's fault (who's name I haven't learnt yet) and he's done nothing wrong so IMO we should still get behind him and the team on Monday night as after all there's still a game to play and a season to save.

 

Agreed. Sadly, the king is dead. Long live the king.

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Gutted about Nige', but not overly shocked. Such is the way with modern football. Will be a pretty good day for him; he's come out of it a few quid heavier and no longer has Cortese as his boss. He'll be in work before the end of the season, and I'd wager he'll be managing at a level higher than 15th in the Prem before too long.

 

Not being overly dramatic but, today has helped snap me out of it, I can't be doing with it any more and I won't be bothering to renew my season ticket. I've been thinking it since we got promoted, following the Saints just isn't much fun any more. No point moaning about football and paying £600 for 19 days out. I'll stick with non-league next year. You might not get to see the likes of Wilshere and Wellbeck, but it's loads more fun.

 

"Diana Effect" I like that although I suspect it will go over most fans heads.

Don't congratulate yourself too much, it's not that ****ing clever.

 

To be fair we have been banging on about signing an international centre-back.

Lol.

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90 minutes of "One Nigel Adkins" from me.

 

and.. "He don't care about Adkins, he don't care about fans, Southampton Football Club, is in the wrong hands"

 

Agreed.

 

This isn't just being swept under the carpet...

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Absolutely gutted about Nigel but you have to agree Cortese appears absolutely driven to achieve his aims. It would appear he is as ruthless with the managerial position as he is with the programme sellers and his belief must be it is the way we need to go to achieve his targets.

 

IMO today leaves no doubt about where he is aiming..whether one man can make all the right decisions to get there is the question that can only be answered by time. However it has all worked so far as we are ahead of schedule.

Whether others can stomach the decisions and actions he feels he needs to take to get there is answered above.

 

IF (big if) we are playing in the champions league in 5 years you will have to say Cortese was right today.

If he is right will you be there in 5 years time singing his name or boycotting as he sacked Adkins?

 

Ruthless, yes...to the point of heartless, yes...but wrong? (based on results not morals) no evidence of that so far?

 

You got to ask how much do you want success? .Cortese wants it very badly... obviously!

 

Yeah, this. I'm gutted too, but this shows ambition. Maybe, just maybe, Adkins has proved to be the stumbling block in our efforts to sign continental players? Now, we may not know much of Pochettino, but the continent does and perhaps he will be a bigger draw for the kind of players we are trying to attract.

 

Right from the beginning Leibherr and Cortese said they wanted CL Football. We really should not be surprised by the changes that have been made and any that are forthcoming. I said changes would be made a long time ago based on my personal belief that Cortese is deadly serious when talking about his aims. We may not like it; our club is slowly morphing into a 'big club' in front of our eyes and maybe it requires an adjustment in our mentality to understand it.

 

You know, Fergie has been on SSN saying what a crazy world it is and that he can't believe it. Well, why he can't believe it? Is it cos he believes saints to be a small provincial club with no right to have ambition and show it? That clubs like us don't do this sort of thing? Did he say he couldn't believe Liverpool sacked Dalglish, another crowd favourite?

 

Well, time will tell if it this appointment takes us forward or not, but it's a brave appointment. An appointment that's as much brave as it is sad for Nigel Adkins and our feelings about him.

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chi saint

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Let me tell you what happened (opinion) this has been planned for some time, we are improving, the new boy has got increasingly frustrated with having to wait for us to plunge to bottom of the league and Adkins getting sacked on the basis of poor results.

 

Both he and Cortese have seen the writing on the wall, in that we are improving and have now at least a 50/50 chance of staying up and with another two or so wins we may in the coming fortnight have even been mid table.

 

Therefore Cortese was left with a decision, either f**k off our new boy or press the nuclear button before the situation became even worse. Perversely the 'situation' being we continue to improve!!

 

Hence having expected us to have got thumped on Wednesday night, everything was in place, the train was running along the track, and his hand was forced.

 

Funny old game which can give you such a lift as in midweek and then drop you like a stone as in today.

 

Sad very sad

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I've been at work today, so have had a chance to really digest this - found myself in a foul mood though, when everyone else was pretty chirpy because of the snow etc.

 

After a good few hours thinking over this, I am still in shock, bemusement and I'm so angry. I never wanted Adkins gone from this club, even during our sticky spell I hoped we'd stick with him as I felt we'd have had more chance of success with him, rather than changing everything. After we got over that start and begun picking up points I was positive. I was proud that my club didn't knee jerk when so many others have, I was proud that we still stuck with the manager that provided us with this opportunity.

 

How ****ing wrong was I. I'm embarrassed to be a fan of this club right now, down right embarrassed. No one deserves to be treated how Adkins has been treated, it's a complete disgrace.

 

I will stand up and say that I have been vocally sticking up for Cortese, but I've always thought the guy is a ruthless dictator - but he was getting results, and he stuck with our manager and showed patience. But I was wrong, he's got a lot to answer for if this doesn't provide INSTANT results.

 

In one foul swoop he has ruined a recently built-up feel good factor around this football club. There are now talks of protests and the like, when really we should be going into Monday excited on the back of an excellent performance at Chelsea.

 

But alas we go forward with an unknown johnny foreigner, who doesn't speak English, so will probably fit in well as it'll allow Cortese to control even more.

 

The ambition we have is completely off tangent with the size of club we are, and quite clearly by this move Cortese didn't expect us to be struggling this year. He's gone right down in my estimations.

 

After saying the other night how I felt the 2nd half of the season would be exciting, I'm now dreading it. It has echo's of Wotte and co. It's destined to fail, and I bet you every single neutral in the land will be hoping it does fail.

 

Well done Cortese, well done.

 

Absolutely Spot On! Cortese has now proven beyond doubt that he is an ar****le and a liar. When he appointed Nigel he stated that it was for the long term and Saints are 2 years in fron of schedule! NA has the respect of the whole Club and Supporters. Hopefully Don Cortese has now put a rope around his own neck!

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Can't be sure of the position but I can give you points. NA won a point a game but his record improved as we got used to the pace and intricacies of the Premiership. I don't think it would be asking too much for the new manager to win 1.5 points per game from the 16 matches still to play. So, 24 points, which would give us a season's total of 46. This would be a minimum requirement.

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About the decision to sack Adkins in this fashion? Or the new appointment?

 

I think the timing is odd but not a total surprise. Not sure about the new chap - will see how that pans out before casting judgement.

 

Do you still agree with your assessment of Cortese when he sacked Pardew and brought in Adkins?

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Let me tell you what happened (opinion) this has been planned for some time, we are improving, the new boy has got increasingly frustrated with having to wait for us to plunge to bottom of the league and Adkins getting sacked on the basis of poor results.

 

Both he and Cortese have seen the writing on the wall, in that we are improving and have now at least a 50/50 chance of staying up and with another two or so wins we may in the coming fortnight have even been mid table.

 

Therefore Cortese was left with a decision, either f**k off our new boy or press the nuclear button before the situation became even worse. Perversely the 'situation' being we continue to improve!!

 

Hence having expected us to have got thumped on Wednesday night, everything was in place, the train was running along the track, and his hand was forced.

 

Funny old game which can give you such a lift as in midweek and then drop you like a stone as in today.

 

Sad very sad

Perhaps Cortese insisted Ricky start on the bench too...

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What a very, VERY sad day in the history of this great club.

 

I think we can all speculate and anaylse this but my overwhelming thoughts this evening are just sadness.

 

Why ? It's just a paid employee of a football club being given the shove that he's looked like getting for a couple of months now. Why be sad...I really can't understand this at all. Loads of good people get the sack every day, do you feel sad for them all ?

 

Angry, perplexed, disappointed maybe but not sad.

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Absolutely Spot On! Cortese has now proven beyond doubt that he is an ar****le and a liar. When he appointed Nigel he stated that it was for the long term and Saints are 2 years in fron of schedule! NA has the respect of the whole Club and Supporters. Hopefully Don Cortese has now put a rope around his own neck!

 

 

What a load of shiete.

 

How is his treatment of Adkins any difference than Adkins treatment of Hammond?

 

 

This is what Guillem Balague said.

 

"Ive seen Pochettino work at Espanyol. His commitment, his style, how he deals with youth, tactics. If I was a Southampton fan Id be excited"

 

 

Perhaps NC was not satisfied with our performance, perhaps he really does want us to go to another level. Perhaps he knows more about the game than you do.

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chi saint

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Yeah, this. I'm gutted too, but this shows ambition. Maybe, just maybe, Adkins has proved to be the stumbling block in our efforts to sign continental players? Now, we may not know much of Pochettino, but the continent does and perhaps he will be a bigger draw for the kind of players we are trying to attract.

 

Right from the beginning Leibherr and Cortese said they wanted CL Football. We really should not be surprised by the changes that have been made and any that are forthcoming. I said changes would be made a long time ago based on my personal belief that Cortese is deadly serious when talking about his aims. We may not like it; our club is slowly morphing into a 'big club' in front of our eyes and maybe it requires an adjustment in our mentality to understand it.

 

You know, Fergie has been on SSN saying what a crazy world it is and that he can't believe it. Well, why he can't believe it? Is it cos he believes saints to be a small provincial club with no right to have ambition and show it? That clubs like us don't do this sort of thing? Did he say he couldn't believe Liverpool sacked Dalglish, another crowd favourite?

 

Well, time will tell if it this appointment takes us forward or not, but it's a brave appointment. An appointment that's as much brave as it is sad for Nigel Adkins and our feelings about him.

 

Nothing personal and I know you have given some thought to your post, but in my opinion, and that all it is an opinion of course, but im not sure we need to concern ourselves with being what is termed a 'big club' what ever a big club actually is.

 

Yes of course the Man U's or Cities of this world have the revenue and the profile but I also think they lose something in that there is little reflection of the City they supposedly represent.

 

As for being a 'brave' appointment, again depending on your definition of brave, the new manager possibly brave for taking it on in such circ's or he's been ill advised, but for me sticking with Adkins would have been brave, particularly if we had continued to circle the relegation zone and I for one, no matter the outcome at the end of the season, would have had a lot more respect of Cortese.

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Why ? It's just a paid employee of a football club being given the shove that he's looked like getting for a couple of months now. Why be sad...I really can't understand this at all. Loads of good people get the sack every day, do you feel sad for them all ?

 

Angry, perplexed, disappointed maybe but not sad.

 

Because he hasn't been given a chance

 

And because without his management he wouldn't have got us in this position

 

Because he's the best English manager of his generation

 

Because he was good for the club

 

Because this is not the way a decent human being should be treated

 

We are Saints, we are better than this. We have lowered ourselves to the level of Chelsea and the Skates in doing this.

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Hey Nicola! Here’s an idea, why not find out from your customers what they actually want. Most Saints supporters I know don’t want Champions League football. We want a club that treats its employees properly and a club we’re proud to support, even if this is in a lower division. I was proud to have a young up and coming English manager in charge of my team (yes my team not yours) and proud of the way he managed the team into the Premier League. Nigel is a loyal, thoroughly decent man who oozed positivity (qualities sadly missing from some I am afraid) and is sure to be snapped up quickly. I think Marcus will be looking down on you with his Saints scarf wrapped tightly around his neck, shaking his head thinking like most of us as to what a stupid arrogant decision this is by someone who has been fortunate to have this club left to him to play with.

 

Unfortunately it's not that simple is it. If Cortese always did what the fans wanted, Pardew would not have been sacked and Nige would never have been appointed manager! Who knows what div we would be in now, or how attractive we would be to watch or how many of our better players would have left for other pastures? I don't necessarily want Champs League Football either, but I want us to win every game we play. If a team is sucessful and wins more often than they lose, then European Football will be a consequence. Do you look at the fixtures and say I really don't want us to win too many games as we might qualify for Europe? Whenever we lose I'm annoyed. Do you sometimes think great, we lost that one, so we're less likely to get in the top 4?

 

Would you really be happier if we were a mid-table or struggling Championship side, playing in front of 12K empty seats, getting turned over by teams like Brighton, Blackpool, Bolton and Leeds each week.

 

Yes we all want a club that treats its employees properly, but I think you're dreaming if you think Nigel (and the majority of our talented players) would stick around at SMS if we had been relegated at the end of this season and became the "lower division team" you'd be proud to support.

 

Plus, how many people have jobs at SFC purely because we are back in the prem, who would otherwise be unemployed if we dropped back down a div or two?

 

Don't get me wrong, I would rather that Nige was still in charge, (just like I wanted Pardew to still be in charge when Nige was appointed, how wrong was I there!), but I'm a Saints fan rather than a fan of any single manager and i hope this appointment proves to be as inspired at Adkins' appointment was. Nige took us to the next level, perhaps Pochettino can do the same.

 

Perhaps Marcus is looking down and is pleased with the sucess of the club under Cortese and the fact that we employ more people now that a few years back despite the terrible recession?

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Because he hasn't been given a chance

 

And because without his management he wouldn't have got us in this position

 

Because he's the best English manager of his generation

 

Because he was good for the club

 

Because this is not the way a decent human being should be treated

 

We are Saints, we are better than this. We have lowered ourselves to the level of Chelsea and the Skates in doing this.

 

 

 

He has been given a chance and found wanting. It's just the courage of a few players and a couple of lucky reffing decisions that

put us where we are today. The penalty at Villa (which I still believe was for a foul on Punch) and a couple of misses by strikers in front of open goals are all that are keeping us out of the relegation zone after a massive investment. What got Nigel the boot more than anything were the points thrown away at home to Swansea and Norwich. He's paid for his keeper choice since last summer. This is it, believe it.

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What an absolute total disgrace! Nigel has turned the club around and also turned the season around and has been at the forefront of turning what the club stands for around by doing things the right moral way, which is something that had been lacking at our club for some time.

We have to ask the question , why?

I have to say I have supported saints for over 40 years and feel that Nigel has been the best manager that we have ever had and we get rid of him also following great results at Villa and Chelsea. Can't believe it!! disillusioned where do we go from here?

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Completely gutted, I really felt Adkins could keep us up and then push on next year and long term. Who knows what is going to happen now but I'd be willing to bet that in 2 years time Nige is managing a team above us in the league. He is a future England manager.

If Pochettino doesn't hit the ground running then this is going to look even more stupid than it already does.

 

One Nigel Adkins.

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Get home from work to find this.....Can't understand it at all. I thought Nigel was in danger early on this season, I never doubted NC would pull the trigger if he wanted to, but he seemed to be turnning things around and I figured NC wanted him to stay. Surely if NC wanted to upgrade to a CL manager (and the jury is firmly out on weather that is the case) next summer would be the time to do it not mid season considering our postion the new guy is really going to have to hit the ground running........

 

Lets face it though football fans being what they are, despite the out pourings of grief right now, if the new guy wins he first few games most fans will be "Nigel who?"

 

Real out pouring of scorn on the bbc about this though lots of people saying they hope we are relegated after sacking Nigel.

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Because he hasn't been given a chance

 

And because without his management he wouldn't have got us in this position

 

Because he's the best English manager of his generation

 

Because he was good for the club

 

Because this is not the way a decent human being should be treated

 

We are Saints, we are better than this. We have lowered ourselves to the level of Chelsea and the Skates in doing this.

The best English manager of this generation! Could that not be McDermott,as he with less resources won the CCC.

I will always be grateful for what NA did for us but if NC is a man of his word and he had a plan with ML to get us to the higher level then I can see why he has become frustrated with NA and the way the season had gone. I was perfectly happy chugging along in the bottom 5, the old Southampton way but it seems NC isn't

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Can't agree with it just being a matter of luck why we are out of the relegation zone. We all know surely that there is a very fine line between winning and losing at this level. You earn your own luck in football by working hard and keeping focused and playing quality football.. We are a much better side than we were at the beginning of the season and Nigel Adkins has to take the credit. We are now at the very least potentially a top ten premier club. Think back just three years ago could any of us ever have dreamed that we would be where we are today?

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Can't agree with it just being a matter of luck why we are out of the relegation zone. We all know surely that there is a very fine line between winning and losing at this level. You earn your own luck in football by working hard and keeping focused and playing quality football.. We are a much better side than we were at the beginning of the season and Nigel Adkins has to take the credit. We are now at the very least potentially a top ten premier club. Think back just three years ago could any of us ever have dreamed that we would be where we are today?
fair points but we have had 3different keepers and strange team selections and substitutions. The 2 all draw the other night was not down to brilliant tactics but we got out of jail.
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Why ? It's just a paid employee of a football club being given the shove that he's looked like getting for a couple of months now. Why be sad...I really can't understand this at all. Loads of good people get the sack every day, do you feel sad for them all ?

 

Angry, perplexed, disappointed maybe but not sad.

 

I feel sad. Maybe I felt that the "together as one" would mean something. Maybe I thought we could be different from other clubs.

Maybe I felt that having made the (not easy) decision NOT to sack NA when he could have we were about to see payback and something special could happen - Hell by accident through the fair play league we could have gone into Europe next season with him.

Sadness that we felt that we had gained some Moral High Ground on our fish fiddling neighbours

 

But now we're just a part of the pack.

 

I'm sad because I honestly believe that success comes from learning from mistakes of the past. We don't need Dalek to tell us what went wrong in our relegation year.

 

I'm not angry. I should have died on the motorway on the way home this evening - a blow out on a crowded outside lane at 130kph should have wiped me out. Somehow it didn't. Anger is not in me right now.

 

I'm NOT angry, not yet. I'll give that a day or so. I am also NOT shocked - Christ it was mentioned in a thread yesterday and alluded to in another so something was clearly going on.

 

So I am sad. This new guy has one hell of a weekend ahead of him because one thing is for sure, Nige isn't coming back and NC isn't leaving this weekend

 

I'll leave being angry for when the leaks start.

Then I think if things go wrong on Monday I'll join everyone else in becoming alpine

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What a load of shiete.

 

How is his treatment of Adkins any difference than Adkins treatment of Hammond?

 

 

This is what Guillem Balague said.

 

"Ive seen Pochettino work at Espanyol. His commitment, his style, how he deals with youth, tactics. If I was a Southampton fan Id be excited"

 

 

Perhaps NC was not satisfied with our performance, perhaps he really does want us to go to another level. Perhaps he knows more about the game than you do.

Well said.

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