Monk Posted 16 January, 2013 Share Posted 16 January, 2013 Luke Shaw, Morgan, Rickie & Clyne. Are they ready? If not, why? Who deserves it the most? Disssss...cuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 16 January, 2013 Share Posted 16 January, 2013 Would put money on Clyne and Shaw playing for England at some point. Rickie deserves a chance but would understand if he wasnt given one due to his age. Morgan doesn't play in France so probably won't get in the team. Deserves too though, the boy is top quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 16 January, 2013 Share Posted 16 January, 2013 If they were playing for the top 4 they probably would already. For those who disagree, ask yourselves this - were Welbeck playing for us, do you think he'd be an England first teamer right now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 16 January, 2013 Share Posted 16 January, 2013 Don't ignore Cork either, I think he's class. He keeps getting better too, won't be too far away from the national side IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggles31 Posted 16 January, 2013 Share Posted 16 January, 2013 And Puncheon. The lad has been our best player this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 16 January, 2013 Share Posted 16 January, 2013 And Puncheon. The lad has been our best player this season. Certainly more deserving than Downing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 16 January, 2013 Share Posted 16 January, 2013 I'd like to be as sure of winning the lottery as I am Shaw will play for England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever a red and white Posted 16 January, 2013 Share Posted 16 January, 2013 Good result but lets calm ourselves a bit. Clyne and Shaw maybe in the future. But you would think maybe that for Morgan to be even considered for France needs to be playing European football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 16 January, 2013 Share Posted 16 January, 2013 Shaw and Clyne will probably be involved in the squad for the World Cup next summer. That's my bet anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityRanger Posted 16 January, 2013 Share Posted 16 January, 2013 Too late for Ricky unfortunately. Good luck to our others though, although they'll never be truly trusted/lumbered with expectation til they play for the "big boys". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 16 January, 2013 Share Posted 16 January, 2013 Too late for Ricky unfortunately. Why is it "too late"? The World Cup is next summer and Lambert will be 32 when it starts. That isn't exactly "old", and in any case if you are good enough - age be it old or young doesn't matter. He is currently the joint 5th top scorer in one of the world's best leagues (whilst playing for a relegation threatened team) and is the joint top English scorer in with Defoe. Plus, his all round game this season has been superb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted 16 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 16 January, 2013 Good result but lets calm ourselves a bit. Clyne and Shaw maybe in the future. But you would think maybe that for Morgan to be even considered for France needs to be playing European football ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 16 January, 2013 Share Posted 16 January, 2013 Don't ignore Cork either, I think he's class. He keeps getting better too, won't be too far away from the national side IMO. Agree with this, immense player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 16 January, 2013 Share Posted 16 January, 2013 I'm quite happy with them performing for us and staying out of the lime-light. Can remember Jarvis tearing the league up, and wasn't really the same after his call up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stattmeister Posted 16 January, 2013 Share Posted 16 January, 2013 Roy Hodgson was there tonight as well. No doubt some food for thought for him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityRanger Posted 16 January, 2013 Share Posted 16 January, 2013 Why is it "too late"? The World Cup is next summer and Lambert will be 32 when it starts. That isn't exactly "old", and in any case if you are good enough - age be it old or young doesn't matter. He is currently the joint 5th top scorer in one of the world's best leagues (whilst playing for a relegation threatened team) and is the joint top English scorer in with Defoe. Plus, his all round game this season has been superb. I just can't see the England set up building their world cup campaign around a 30 + striker from Southampton who's been knocking around the lower leagues for 90 per cent of his career. This is the modern reality, not Roy of the Rovers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackanorySFC Posted 16 January, 2013 Share Posted 16 January, 2013 I just can't see the England set up building their world cup campaign around a 30 + striker from Southampton who's been knocking around the lower leagues for 90 per cent of his career. This is the modern reality, not Roy of the Rovers. Harsh but fair IMO. Only English player currently world class is Wilshire (and maybe Hart), would rather we wrote off Brazil and took a group of young lads (including Shaw, Clyne and on current form Cork) and gave them tournament football experience ready for 2016. They'd do no worse than the "golden generation" FFS! Up the Saints Up the England Club & Country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynoldson!! Posted 16 January, 2013 Share Posted 16 January, 2013 I think Rooney is pretty world class if I'm honest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edprice1984 Posted 16 January, 2013 Share Posted 16 January, 2013 I just can't see the England set up building their world cup campaign around a 30 + striker from Southampton who's been knocking around the lower leagues for 90 per cent of his career. This is the modern reality, not Roy of the Rovers. I agree, but wouldn't it be nice for Ricky to travel to Brazil in the summer! Sir Ricky Lambert, hero of the Maracana??? I know I am in the realms of fantasy... Shaw would be a good bet for the next set of qualifiers though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 16 January, 2013 Share Posted 16 January, 2013 Never done it for England Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 16 January, 2013 Share Posted 16 January, 2013 I just can't see the England set up building their world cup campaign around a 30 + striker from Southampton who's been knocking around the lower leagues for 90 per cent of his career. This is the modern reality, not Roy of the Rovers. I wouldnt build the team around him, but I might take him. Besides Rooney and Defoe who is there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackanorySFC Posted 16 January, 2013 Share Posted 16 January, 2013 I think Rooney is pretty world class if I'm honest Fair enough, I personally think he's an extremely talented footballer but not world class. I like him for England, but in tournaments (04 excluded, what a player he looked until his foot went) he has been poor, in SA he was shocking! Personally think he'd struggle to get near Germany or Spain's teams, whereas Wilshire looks like he was bought up at La Macia, to see an English kid run with the ball at the speeds he does with his head up is... Well, the closest thing to Gascoigne I've seen but more potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 16 January, 2013 Share Posted 16 January, 2013 Can't see how Lambert won't be called up for the Brazil friendly next month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 I think Rooney is pretty world class if I'm honest As my mate who played against Shearer and Wallace at apprentice level before blowing his chance at Villa through chasing girls, always says the way Man U are set up to play even he could score a goal for United. Rooney is like a wine that does not travel, or a Guiness outside of Ireland when he pulls on an England shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbob40 Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 Cork is our best and most influential player . Right up there with mother Teresa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 Can't see how Lambert won't be called up for the Brazil friendly next month. Because he plays for us. I hope Roy can see past that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 Because he plays for us. I hope Roy can see past that. Will be interesting to hear what Gary Neville says about Lambert on Monday, he seems to have a big say on who Roy calls up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 I'd love to see Lambert playing for England, but just can't see it happening. He's not even first choice in a lot of games for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 I'd be very surprised if any of our players become long term England players whilst playing for us........it's wrong but prejudice against the smaller clubs is rife and probably always will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 Why is it "too late"? The World Cup is next summer and Lambert will be 32 when it starts. That isn't exactly "old", and in any case if you are good enough - age be it old or young doesn't matter. He is currently the joint 5th top scorer in one of the world's best leagues (whilst playing for a relegation threatened team) and is the joint top English scorer in with Defoe. Plus, his all round game this season has been superb. Name the England players that have got their first caps then gone onto play in world cups whilst in their thirties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 Clyne would be the most likely to be called up but he won't at the moment due to playing for us and where we are at the moment in the league. Plus its his first season in the top flight. Shaw has Cole and Baines in front of him. Lambert is not even on the radar at the moment and won't be due to his age and Hodgson saying he is building for the future. Morgan the same reason as Clyne...another year or two in the top flight needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 Then you se Van Persie & realise he ain't (Rooney)as good as the press make him out to be! I think Rooney is pretty world class if I'm honest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 Name the England players that have got their first caps then gone onto play in world cups whilst in their thirties. Who was the first man on the moon in 1954? (This post was brought to you by dubiousanalogies.com) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 I'd definitely add Cork to the OP's list. Played a bit part in the Olympics but our form improved drastically when he came back into our side after injury. His flexibility in positions surely makes him a candidate for an England spot in the near future, especially with an ageing midfield. Shaw will play for England, but I'm less sure about Clyne. If we stay up this season, build on it, and next season "do an Everton" then I would expect International honours to flow for some of our squad members. (Relegation this season would be catastrophic when you think about it. Back to Frazer, Fox, Chaplow and Hammond next season...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinger Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 Shaw might be there or thereabouts, come World Cup time. At the moment he's definitely behind Cole and Leighton Baines. But Cole is getting on and his form is starting to drop. It rather depends on what happens at the end of his Chelsea contract in the summer. If he takes a move to a club in one of the big leagues, he's probably going to remain 1st or 2nd choice. But if he takes the money and goes, for example, to the MLS, then he'll quickly drift out of the picture. But Shaw's time will come sooner or later if he keeps developing like he is. Lambert might get a call up to a squad for some qualifiers, I think. There's nothing wrong with having a proven goalscorer on the bench, however old he is. As someone said above, there's Rooney, Defoe, and then... Bent? But at his age the World Cup is a long way off. Who knows what kind of form he'll be in by then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 Then you se Van Persie & realise he ain't (Rooney)as good as the press make him out to be! In fairness, RVP is probably in the top 3/5 Strikers in the world right now. Just because he is better than Rooney, doesn't mean Wayne isn't world class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 Depends on injuries. If Cole were to sustain a bad injury ditto Baines I'm sure Luke would get a look in the next WC. Clyne must be there or thereabouts too. If Rooney/Wellbeck get injured same for SRL. Scoring from the bench against City and now Chelsea is VERY good news for SRL and for Roy- as SRL is showing that he CAN be an impact from the bench goalscorer which is an attribute Roy might value highly from a squad striker. He does have the extra benefit of not missing penalties which has been something of a Achilles heel for us too! As for Cork- hes putting himself in contention for the holding mf role currently occupied by Carrick...injury to Carrick and Cork might get his chance- he certainly did ok in the olympics when he came on in that role. As for Puncheon- he keeps scoring who knows... but he must be ahead of the likes of Downing, Joe Cole,etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowds Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 IMO Lambert deserves a spot over Carrol and Crouch currently... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restark19 Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 Never done it for England Messi's never done it for Argentina, would you say he's not world class? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 Name the England players that have got their first caps then gone onto play in world cups whilst in their thirties. Teddy Sheringham? To be fair he was 27, but only made 5 caps before he was 30 and didn't really break through until Euro 96. He went on to earn 45 England caps between the ages of 30 and 36. Went to the 2002 World Cup at the age of 35. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restark19 Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 Didn't Neville insinuate that there was a good chance of Lambert and Lallana getting called up while commentating on one of our games? I didn't watch it as was at the game but that's what I've been told Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 Fair play I can't see England building a side around Lambert like we have but I am more then sure he could do a job for England even if off the bench, I think it'd be foolish not to at least have a good look at him in a friendly. Besides i'm sure England could do with our fine tradition of penalty takers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 Be careful what you wish for. Beattie David Armstrong and MLT were really effected by their little bit of England experience. It can ruin confidence and also the players see the big time charlies with their big pay packets. they in turn can encourage the players to leave. Let them get ther caps when they are at other clubs, not when they can be tapped up when on international duty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 Messi's never done it for Argentina, would you say he's not world class? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__4rWVJEpGo It depends what you mean by "it". Sure, Messi has rarely produced his club form for his country but he is still a massive player for them. 31 goals in 76 matches and numerous assists ain't bad. Back on topic, I think Shaw will be in the England squad in a few years and be a regular eventually. Lambo will probably get a Kevin Davies like cameo at some point, Clyne will be in contention for sure in a few years, not too sure about Morgan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 Be careful what you wish for. Beattie David Armstrong and MLT were really effected by their little bit of England experience. It can ruin confidence and also the players see the big time charlies with their big pay packets. they in turn can encourage the players to leave. Let them get ther caps when they are at other clubs, not when they can be tapped up when on international duty Dell sized mentality sorry couldn't help myself! True it is a perfectly fair point though I cant speak for others but I would genuinely be so proud to see the likes or Rickie and AL pulling on an England shirt and I think it would mean so much to both of them, particularly RL at the peak of his career Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 england used an over age donkey for years , and Rickie is no donkey and has far more ability than heskey oh an scores goals and penatlies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 Danny Welbeck has scored 11 Premier League goals for Man Utd in 53 appearances. He has played 14 times for England. Lambert has scored 10 Premier League goals this season alone. He deserves a call up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restark19 Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 It depends what you mean by "it". Sure, Messi has rarely produced his club form for his country but he is still a massive player for them. 31 goals in 76 matches and numerous assists ain't bad Rooneys scored 32 in 78 for England haha! Agree with everything else your saying though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 Dell sized mentality sorry couldn't help myself! True it is a perfectly fair point though I cant speak for others but I would genuinely be so proud to see the likes or Rickie and AL pulling on an England shirt and I think it would mean so much to both of them, particularly RL at the peak of his career i recall the bitter sweetness of Saints players being called up. It ruined MLT, he was never the same after Hoddle threw him to the wolves after Englands WC defeat to Italy. The london press tore him to pieces and blamed him, typical Hoddle hid in the background and left MLT to be destroyed. Shearer also left him to be the fall guy. David Armstrong also got the call and was played out of position, and that effected him. BT etc became a big time charlie, and Bridgeys head was turned (although I cant recall fully if he was ay saints when he got his call up) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 Shaw will definitely play for England. Clyne too probably. Don't know who's ahead of Morgan for France. Probably too late for Ricky. I'd rather shaw and Clyne didn't play for England. Not yet anyway. For one, they're not ready yet. Two, it'd be distracting. And three, England seem to be calling up anyone who has a good few games these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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