Turkish Posted 14 January, 2013 Share Posted 14 January, 2013 Does anyone know if he can play leftback aswell? He is both a CB and a LB in football manager but that doesn't have to mean anything. You're right. It doesn't mean anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 14 January, 2013 It means people who've actually watched him suggested that's his position. Please explain what impact and meaning his position on a computer game has in the real world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 January, 2013 Share Posted 14 January, 2013 Does anyone know if he can play leftback aswell? He is both a CB and a LB in football manager but that doesn't have to mean anything. You're right. It doesn't mean anything. It means people who've actually watched him suggested that's his position. Please explain what impact and meaning his position on a computer game has in the real world. I'm pretty confident I have the Saints players positions pretty accurate on Football Manager. I base their positions on having a season ticket at St Mary's and watching them play, same applies for other clubs and their researchers. Professional clubs even pay for the privilege of using FM as an initial scouting tool. To rule it out as a resource as quickly as you often do is quite wrong to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 14 January, 2013 (edited) I'm pretty confident I have the Saints players positions pretty accurate on Football Manager. I base their positions on having a season ticket at St Mary's and watching them play, same applies for other clubs and their researchers. Professional clubs even pay for the privilege of using FM as an initial scouting tool. To rule it out as a resource as quickly as you often do is quite wrong to do. Well done. you've managed to work out from watching Rickie Lambert that he's a striker and that Clyne is a right back. Excellent work. Who care. What impact and relevance does a players position on a computer game have in the real world? Edited 14 January, 2013 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 14 January, 2013 Share Posted 14 January, 2013 Who care. What impact and relevance does a players position on a computer game have in the real world? If a fan of a club who happens to be a FM researcher says a player is a left back, why wouldn't you believe him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 14 January, 2013 If a fan of a club who happens to be a FM researcher says a player is a left back, why wouldn't you believe him? I can clearly see that some people are struggling to differentiate between computer games and the real world. This comes as no surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 14 January, 2013 Share Posted 14 January, 2013 I can clearly see that some people are struggling to differentiate between computer gamea and the real world. This comes as no surprise. Obviously the way the game operates is a model of reality and will not be 100% accurate. And yes, the stats ranging from 0-20 will be to a certain degree subjective and based on the scouting ability/perception of the researcher. But the nature of someone recording a player's position in a database. What is the issue there? If they have played at centre back/left back for the club they support and watch week in week out, then why have an issue with it? Or are you saying it's just as likely that the Molde researcher is an idiot and confuses goalkeepers with strikers? Or is Turkish feeling a little attention starved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 14 January, 2013 Obviously the way the game operates is a model of reality and will not be 100% accurate. And yes, the stats ranging from 0-20 will be to a certain degree subjective and based on the scouting ability/perception of the researcher. But the nature of someone recording a player's position in a database. What is the issue there? If they have played at centre back/left back for the club they support and watch week in week out, then why have an issue with it? Its a computer game. How does him playing left back for Molde on someones PC on a game have any impact on where he might play, who he might join, how much they might pay, how much he might earn in real life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 14 January, 2013 Share Posted 14 January, 2013 Its a computer game. How does him playing left back for Molde on someones PC on a game have any impact on where he might play, who he might join, how much they might pay, how much he might earn in real life? Well, it would certainly at the very least imply that he can play at left back and has experience in the position! Yes, players positions can evolve as they grow. But as for a snapshot, at one point in time, it's a nice reflection and useful tool for research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 14 January, 2013 Share Posted 14 January, 2013 Its a computer game. How does him playing left back for Molde on someones PC on a game have any impact on where he might play, who he might join, how much they might pay, how much he might earn in real life? You're ****ing pathetic. Seriously, shut up you boring ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 14 January, 2013 Well, it would certainly at the very least imply that he can play at left back and has experience in the position! Yes, players positions can evolve as they grow. But as for a snapshot, at one point in time, it's a nice reflection and useful tool for research. But why does it mean anything? That was the question. What does it mean in the real world, what a players position is on a computer game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 January, 2013 Share Posted 14 January, 2013 Its a computer game. How does him playing left back for Molde on someones PC on a game have any impact on where he might play, who he might join, how much they might pay, how much he might earn in real life? But why does it mean anything? That was the question. What does it mean in the real world, what a players position is on a computer game? If you are being serious and can't see why a football game which aims to be a simulation of real life, doesn't give an indication of what a player is like, then there really is no helping you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 14 January, 2013 Share Posted 14 January, 2013 But why does it mean anything? That was the question. What does it mean in the real world, what a players position is on a computer game? As his position in the computer game is based on what he does in real life. It does carry meaning. If we were basing a players ability on their character rating in Skyrim, I may agree with your logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 14 January, 2013 You're ****ing pathetic. Seriously, shut up you boring ****. Nice input to the thread, nice little bit of personal abuse as well and you call me pathetic, yet you're the one having bad language fits of rage on a football forum!! :lol::lol::lol::lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 14 January, 2013 As his position in the computer game is based on what he does in real life. It does carry meaning. If we were basing a players ability on their character rating in Skyrim, I may agree with your logic. Why? Why does it matter in real life what his positon is on a computer game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 14 January, 2013 (edited) If you are being serious and can't see why a football game which aims to be a simulation of real life, doesn't give an indication of what a player is like, then there really is no helping you. If you cant see the difference between real life and a computer football game and really think it means anything then there is no helping you!! Edited 14 January, 2013 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 14 January, 2013 Share Posted 14 January, 2013 Why? Why does it matter in real life what his positon is on a computer game? The database is a compilation of real life observations by real people. But anyway, yes, you are obviously feeling attention starved, going around in circles. Goodnight Turkish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 14 January, 2013 Yes, you are obviously feeling attention starved, going around in circles. Goodnight Turkish. Unable or unwilling to answer the question so resorting to that, bravo Colin. There is a war going on in Afghan at the moment, maybe if you got on Call of Duty you'd be able to give there some tips as computer games are so relevant to real life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latter day saint Posted 14 January, 2013 Share Posted 14 January, 2013 The database is a compilation of real life observations by real people. But anyway, yes, you are obviously feeling attention starved, going around in circles. Goodnight Turkish. can't believe you bothered replying. poor effort by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 14 January, 2013 Share Posted 14 January, 2013 Unable or unwilling to answer the question so resorting to that, bravo Colin. There is a war going on in Afghan at the moment, maybe if you got on Call of Duty you'd be able to give there some tips as computer games are so relevant to real life. What a troll! You really are off form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 14 January, 2013 Share Posted 14 January, 2013 If you cant see the difference between real life and a computer football game and really think it means anything then there is no helping you!! not sure if trolling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 14 January, 2013 can't believe you bothered replying. poor effort by Turkish Why is it? Why does it matter what his postion is on a computer game? It means absolutely nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 14 January, 2013 What a troll! You really are off form. Maybe Super Mario games are more up your street Colin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 14 January, 2013 Share Posted 14 January, 2013 Why is it? Why does it matter what his postion is on a computer game? It means absolutely nothing. As this is a computer environment, the above post, and indeed all posts on here obviously are utterly meaningless too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latter day saint Posted 14 January, 2013 Share Posted 14 January, 2013 have you recieved a blow to the head/suffered a stroke,as you keep repeating yourself ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 14 January, 2013 As this is a computer environment, the above post, and indeed all posts on here obviously are utterly meaningless too. correct, they are totally meaningless. As is every post on this forum. It has no impact whatsoever on what SFC does, depsite what some on here think. Neither does a footballer postion on a computer game have any meaning as to where he plays in the real world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 14 January, 2013 Share Posted 14 January, 2013 correct, they are totally meaningless. As is every post on this forum. It has no impact whatsoever on what SFC does, depsite what some on here think. Neither does a footballer postion on a computer game have any meaning as to where he plays in the real world. Had my disagreements with you Turkish in the past, but thoroughly behind you on this one. Perhaps one of you football manager types should tell Vegard Forren how he is ranked in your version of football manager so he can start conforming to it. Unbelievable clap trap. You should all get out more. Seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Scott Posted 14 January, 2013 Share Posted 14 January, 2013 Had my disagreements with you Turkish in the past' date=' but thoroughly behind you on this one. Perhaps one of you football manager types should tell Vegard Forren how he is ranked in your version of football manager so he can start conforming to it. Unbelievable clap trap. You should all get out more. Seriously.[/quote'] Both Turkish and the other guys have valid points. Football Manager is a game and not real life and despite Turkish's condescending posts we are all aware of that. However, the makers of that game do hours of research on players so to be fair their stats on the game would reflect their genuine ability in real life. Considering all somebody said was the fact he can play in LB and CB on FM is quite a fair point. I imagine next to no one on this site has actually seen him play on a regular basis or know anything about his versatility as a defender. If someone was to post his stats off of wikipedia the majority of you would take it as gospel. That in itself would be more idiotic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 14 January, 2013 Share Posted 14 January, 2013 Both Turkish and the other guys have valid points. Football Manager is a game and not real life and despite Turkish's condescending posts we are all aware of that. However, the makers of that game do hours of research on players so to be fair their stats on the game would reflect their genuine ability in real life. Considering all somebody said was the fact he can play in LB and CB on FM is quite a fair point. I imagine next to no one on this site has actually seen him play on a regular basis or know anything about his versatility as a defender. If someone was to post his stats off of wikipedia the majority of you would take it as gospel. That in itself would be more idiotic. You seriously believe this? Next you will be suggesting that Nigel or Nicola should sign people based on their FM rankings. LOL LOL LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Scott Posted 14 January, 2013 Share Posted 14 January, 2013 You seriously believe this? Next you will be suggesting that Nigel or Nicola should sign people based on their FM rankings. LOL LOL LOL You really didn't grasp my point did you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 January, 2013 Share Posted 14 January, 2013 You seriously believe this? Next you will be suggesting that Nigel or Nicola should sign people based on their FM rankings. LOL LOL LOL As I said earlier, clubs use it as an initial scouting tool and pay for the privilege... http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Everton-using-Football-Manager-computer-game-article33798.html A number of FM researchers are employed by football clubs, some have even been employed to scout for them by clubs off the back of their work on FM. Some people are far too quick to dismiss the game's database as a real life tool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 14 January, 2013 Lets not forget that the Saints FM reseacher is MLG whose claims include; Saints have more fans than Everton We are the most attractive club for a player outside of the top 4 in England - this whilst in L1 We need a 50000 seater stadium now So forgive me for not taking his statistics on there seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 January, 2013 Share Posted 14 January, 2013 Lets not forget that the Saints FM reseacher is MLG whose claims include; Saints have more fans than Everton We are the most attractive club for a player outside of the top 4 in England - this whilst in L1 We need a 50000 seater stadium now So forgive me for not taking his statistics on there seriously. I have said none of those things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 14 January, 2013 Share Posted 14 January, 2013 Ok, how do avoid it being subjective? eg you think Lambert is god but Rodriguez is gash? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 14 January, 2013 I have said none of those things. Oh Yes you have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Scott Posted 14 January, 2013 Share Posted 14 January, 2013 Lets not forget that the Saints FM reseacher is MLG whose claims include; Saints have more fans than Everton We are the most attractive club for a player outside of the top 4 in England - this whilst in L1 We need a 50000 seater stadium now So forgive me for not taking his statistics on there seriously. The point is that its a more accurate source for players positions than over used public domains such as wikipedia. I went on their earlier to find out Frank Lampards scoring record and it claimed he had made 600+ appearences for Rochdale.... You tell me the more credible source when people can edit what they wish at the touch of a button. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 January, 2013 Share Posted 14 January, 2013 Ok, how do avoid it being subjective? eg you think Lambert is god but Rodriguez is gash? Some areas are always going to be subjective. That is what scouting is. I wouldn't really agree with your Lambert/Rodriguez statement. On FM13 Lambert has a higher current ability than Rodriguez, but Rodriguez has a potential ability that if fulfilled will take him above Lambert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 January, 2013 Share Posted 14 January, 2013 Oh Yes you have. Prove it, for all 3 with links. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 14 January, 2013 Share Posted 14 January, 2013 It is an interesting topic for me. Many people within football do use the database (not the game's model of football, just the comparative statistics) as a tool and it is often used as a way of getting a snapshot of who unknown players are and whether they could be useful. The amount of time it takes to compile is astonishing, there is literally a world-wide network of people who contribute to it. But is it a reliable way of getting a quick view of a player's ability? Is it naive to trust the statistics present in what is essentially a game, or actually a great and thorough representation of up to 50,000 professional/semi professional football players for that year's model of the world of football? For me, looking at raw statistics, player stats (e.g. wow, he's got 15/20 for heading!) can be dangerous, as there is always margin for error in a model reliant on subjective judgement but it can still provide at least a clue as to what you are getting thanks to how rigorous the database is regulated. But for information such as 'he's a centre back,' then yes, no harm and a great quick 'look up' guide.... and certainly more reliable then Wikipedia. (Kenwyne Jones was a Derby County player according to that for a time.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 14 January, 2013 The point is that its a more accurate source for players positions than over used public domains such as wikipedia. I went on their earlier to find out Frank Lampards scoring record and it claimed he had made 600+ appearences for Rochdale.... You tell me the more credible source when people can edit what they wish at the touch of a button. What about if a player is has brilliant stats, but is a proper p*ss head who is constantly putting cigarettes out on his teammates eye lids. How does it help you with those? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 14 January, 2013 Share Posted 14 January, 2013 Ok, just as St Chalet splits the initial thread I open this up in General sports... http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?42355-Using-the-Football-manager-Database-as-a-scouting-tool&p=1582740#post1582740 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 January, 2013 Share Posted 14 January, 2013 What about if a player is has brilliant stats, but is a proper p*ss head who is constantly putting cigarettes out on his teammates eye lids. How does it help you with those? There are hidden ratings that take events like that into account. Not exactly that Joey Barton incident, but players get a controversy rating that is kept hidden from the user. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 14 January, 2013 Prove it, for all 3 with links. Do you seriously think i'm going to go back through all of your posts, in some cases from nearly 3 years ago to prove it, when you and I and plenty of other people know full well you said all those things and plenty other ridiculous ones too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 14 January, 2013 There are hidden ratings that take events like that into account. Hidden ratings? Really?!! And who can see these?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 14 January, 2013 Share Posted 14 January, 2013 Some areas are always going to be subjective. That is what scouting is. I wouldn't really agree with your Lambert/Rodriguez statement. On FM13 Lambert has a higher current ability than Rodriguez, but Rodriguez has a potential ability that if fulfilled will take him above Lambert. F-u-c-k you really are a k-n-o-b. Tell me, are you scouting for any professional teams yet? I won't be holding ny breath until you get "discovered" as the next greatest scout in English football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 January, 2013 Share Posted 14 January, 2013 Hidden ratings? Really?!! And who can see these?? They are there to see in the researchers editor and I think also the editor that comes with the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Scott Posted 14 January, 2013 Share Posted 14 January, 2013 What about if a player is has brilliant stats, but is a proper p*ss head who is constantly putting cigarettes out on his teammates eye lids. How does it help you with those? Do you ever add anything meaningful to a thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 14 January, 2013 They are there to see in the researchers editor and I think also the editor that comes with the game. As someone that hasn't played football manager properly since i was about 18 you are going to have to explain that, although it doesn't seem like you are sure yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 January, 2013 Share Posted 14 January, 2013 F-u-c-k you really are a k-n-o-b. A mature way to debate, that also breaks the forums rules. Grow up. Tell me' date=' are you scouting for any professional teams yet? I won't be holding ny breath until you get "discovered" as the next greatest scout in English football[/quote'] As I said earlier to you, clubs use it as an initial scouting tool and pay for the privilege... http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Everton-using-Football-Manager-computer-game-article33798.html A number of FM researchers are employed by football clubs, some have even been employed to scout for them by clubs off the back of their work on FM. Some people are far too quick to dismiss the game's database as a real life tool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 14 January, 2013 Share Posted 14 January, 2013 Why are people getting so worked up over this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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