Matthew Le God Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 Just say we got near the top four and Manchester United came in for our top striker. How would we stop them from leaving and sustain our challenge? Wouldn't have to hang on to them. Spurs for example lost Carrick and Berbatov for big money to Man Utd, they then invested it in new players and maintained top 4 challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 Wouldn't have to hang on to them. Spurs for example lost Carrick and Berbatov for big money to Man Utd, they then invested it in new players and maintained top 4 challenge. yes...because their owner ploughs in mega money.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 Because it doesn't hold any logic. So if Chelsea were in a relegation battle this year would they average the same as they did when competing for the league title? Before Chelsea were pumped full of money in the mid 1990's Chelsea averaged similar in the Premier League to what Southampton did in League One. What you say doesn't hold any logic. If you think we will see gates rise by 20k because we are in the top 6 then you are as fooled by il duce as forren is. Yes, there may be a few thousand more who would turn up, but they will disappear again as soon as the results turn against us. You can't manufacture a 50k crowd overnight - it took Man U, Liverpool etc decades of achievement, history and not to mention much larger catchment areas to do this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 What you say doesn't hold any logic. If you think we will see gates rise by 20k because we are in the top 6 then you are as fooled by il duce as forren is. Yes' date=' there may be a few thousand more who would turn up, but they will disappear again as soon as the results turn against us. You can't manufacture a 50k crowd overnight - it took Man U, Liverpool etc decades of achievement, history and not to mention much larger catchment areas to do this[/quote'] So where did the extra 20,000 Chelsea got in an extremely short period come from? As I said, in mid 90's before investment, they averaged in the Premier League similar to what Saints averaged in League One. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 If we were 6th, 7th, 8th, we'd likely be there because we'd have better players than we do currently, more international players etc etc and a more attractive product on offer to raise demand for tickets. Answer the quesiton. Do you think a must win match against QPR which was the difference between finish 17th and 18th or 8th and 9th get a bigger crowd or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 So where did the extra 20,000 Chelsea got in an extremely short period come from? As I said, in mid 90's before investment, they averaged in the Premier League similar to what Saints averaged in League One. WHat are you on about Chelsea for? What have they got to do with Saints? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 So where did the extra 20,000 Chelsea got in an extremely short period come from? As I said, in mid 90's before investment, they averaged in the Premier League similar to what Saints averaged in League One. You are a deluded c**t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 Answer the quesiton. Do you think a must win match against QPR which was the difference between finish 17th and 18th or 8th and 9th get a bigger crowd or not? By describing it as "must win" indicates it is at the end of the season. Which means it isn't representative of a whole season in order to base stadium expansion on, more an anomaly within a season. Thus an irrelevant question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 WHat are you on about Chelsea for? What have they got to do with Saints? You are a deluded c**t. Because it is an example of how success increases demand. I was responding to someone thinking ticket demand remains constant irrespective of the product on offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 (edited) By describing it as "must win" indicates it is at the end of the season. Which means it isn't representative of a whole season in order to base stadium expansion on, more an anomaly within a season. Thus an irrelevant question. No it doesn't. Every game against your relegation rivals when you're in a relegation battle is a must win game isn't it? You said yourself if Saints were a top half club they'd get bigger crowds than if they are battling relegation. Yet now it seems you are unwilling or unable to answer if they'd get a bigger crowd when playing a relegation rival or if they were playing them whilst sitting in 8th place. Edited 28 January, 2013 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 so, basically, we will need to add 20k seats to SMS... throw at the very least £100m at the first team put a huge increase in our wage budget and then continue to invest in the 1st team..... where is this money going to come from in the next few years...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 Because it is an example of how success increases demand. I was responding to someone thinking ticket demand remains constant irrespective of the product on offer. If you think Chelsea suddenely found 20,000 fans then you clearly dont have a clue what you are on about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 so, basically, we will need to add 20k seats to SMS... throw at the very least £100m at the first team put a huge increase in our wage budget and then continue to invest in the 1st team..... where is this money going to come from in the next few years...? Don't worry about that - Chelsea did it ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 No it doesn't. Every game against your relegation rivals when you're in a relegation battle is a must win game isn't it? No, "must win" indicates something riding on the game that in a relegation battle would mean an inability to stay up. For example, Saturday's game vs Wigan isn't "must win", it is an important game but Saints can still stay up if they lose it. You said yourself if Saints were a top half club they'd get bigger crowds than if they are battling relegation. Yet now it seems you are unwilling or unable to answer if they'd get a bigger crowd when playing a relegation rival or if they were playing them whilst sitting in 8th place. A team in 8th could still get into Europe, a team in 8th is likely to play better football/win more games/more international players etc etc than a team in a relegation battle. So yes, the crowd would be higher as the product would be more attractive and demand for tickets higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 If you think Chelsea suddenely found 20,000 fans then you clearly dont have a clue what you are on about. Enlighten me then, how did their crowds go from 22k to 42k in such a short time? It just happened to coincide with investment in the playing squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 so, basically, we will need to add 20k seats to SMS... throw at the very least £100m at the first team put a huge increase in our wage budget and then continue to invest in the 1st team..... where is this money going to come from in the next few years...? - Does Cortese strike you as the type to have ambitions that he knows he doesn't have the resources to fund? - Do you not think he will be fully aware the levels of funding he would need to achieve such goals and if he has those funds available to him? - As a League One side Saints submitted plans for Champions League quality training ground, as a Championship club work began on said training ground, as a newly promoted Premier League club the club revealed very early ideas for a stadium development/expansion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 - Does Cortese strike you as the type to have ambitions that he knows he doesn't have the resources to fund? - Do you not think he will be fully aware the levels of funding he would need to achieve such goals and if he has those funds available to him? - As a League One side Saints submitted plans for Champions League quality training ground, as a Championship club work began on said training ground, as a newly promoted Premier League club the club revealed very early ideas for a stadium development/expansion. where do you think the money will come from...? all well and good of wanting to aim that high..it really is...to do so is another thing...history tells you that unless you have mega money to throw at it then it is almost impossible as for champions league quality training ground....get over yourself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 (edited) where do you think the money will come from...? all well and good of wanting to aim that high..it really is...to do so is another thing...history tells you that unless you have mega money to throw at it then it is almost impossible I've already answered this... - Does Cortese strike you as the type to have ambitions that he knows he doesn't have the resources to fund? - Do you not think he will be fully aware the levels of funding he would need to achieve such goals and if he has those funds available to him? And given our owners are the Liebherr estate, it would be there that Cortese believes he will be getting the funding from, alongside the huge revenue streams from being in the Premier League. as for champions league quality training ground....get over yourself Well it is, you should really be happy about that as a Saints fan. Edited 28 January, 2013 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 Enlighten me then, how did their crowds go from 22k to 42k in such a short time? It just happened to coincide with investment in the playing squad. So you think Chelsea never got crowds that big before, only when they started getting investment in the mid 90s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stug76 Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 You've got to laugh at all the sad doom mongers on here. What a sad state of affairs when you all have to jump on anything positive. Its happening, and I bet you'll all be giving it the large one to all the "plastics" when we are in Europe. ****s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 yes...because their owner ploughs in mega money.... And they still are not a consistent top four team... And we are nowhere near Spurs, not even close and we won't be in three years time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 So you think Chelsea never got crowds that big before, only when they started getting investment in the mid 90s? You didn't answer my question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 I've already answered this... - Does Cortese strike you as the type to have ambitions that he knows he doesn't have the resources to fund? - Do you not think he will be fully aware the levels of funding he would need to achieve such goals and if he has those funds available to him? And given our owners are the the Liebherr estate, it would be there that Cortese believes he will be getting the funding from, alongside the huge revenue streams from being in the Premier League. Well it is, you should really be happy about that as a Saints fan. I have no idea about NC....but I have no idea where circa £200m EXTRA is going to come from in the next 3 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 (edited) You didn't answer my question. Yes i did. Do you think Chelsea only got crowds that big post 95 or not? Edited 29 January, 2013 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 Enlighten me then, how did their crowds go from 22k to 42k in such a short time? It just happened to coincide with investment in the playing squad. An absolutely astronomical spend. A spend we will never get close to matching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 I have no idea about NC....but I have no idea where circa £200m EXTRA is going to come from in the next 3 years I just answered that in the post of mine you just quoted. Why have you ruled that out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 (edited) I think people should cut the "doom mongerers" some slack, its not as if we have previous with being regular European contenders. I can understand if we were a returning giant but we are not. We are an average to at best, large club which has taken huge leaps in the past two years. Most of us grew up knowing only top flight relegation struggles as the norm. Its all very well having aspirations but we are far closer to unravelling in the midst of a sh1tstorm than we are European contenders. It's a smattering of realism, pessimism and hope.... Not blind faith. If it happens, great. If it doesn't don't be surprised. Edited 28 January, 2013 by Crab Lungs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 I just answered that in the post of mine you just quoted. Why have you ruled that out? because money doesnt grow on trees....it grows in the British Virgin Islands.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 An absolutely astronomical spend. A spend we will never get close to matching. abramovic has spent £200m on strikers alone in the last 10 years....unbelievable really...I bet chelsea has cost him close to £1bn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 abramovic has spent £200m on strikers alone in the last 10 years....unbelievable really...I bet chelsea has cost him close to £1bn The fact that MLG is comparing us to Chelsea just beggars belief really. It's lunacy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 (edited) Yes i did. Do you think Chelsea only got crowds that big post 95 or not? abramovic has spent £200m on strikers alone in the last 10 years....unbelievable really...I bet chelsea has cost him close to £1bn Attendances were rising after spending by Harding/Bates in the mid 90's which lead to better league/cup performances, this was before Abramovich tookover and spent the huge amounts you mentioned. Better team/more success = bigger crowds Which is the point I was making after Golac's Cunning Stunts claimed that attendances would remain similar irrespective of team performance. Edited 28 January, 2013 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 So, back on topic. Has Vorren signed yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 The fact that MLG is comparing us to Chelsea just beggars belief really. It's lunacy... Again, I was using it as an example to counter Golac's Cunning Stunts claim that attendances would remain similar irrespective of team performance, not directly comparing the two clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 Again, I was using it as an example to counter Golac's Cunning Stunts claim that attendances would remain similar irrespective of team performance, not directly comparing the two clubs. They will remain similar. Nothing you say about Chelski alters my opinion on that. They may go up by 5 or so thousand, but will immediately drop once our players are bought by the likes of Man U and Arsenal and we fall down the league again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 They will remain similar. Nothing you say about Chelski alters my opinion on that. They may go up by 5 or so thousand' date=' but will immediately drop once our players are bought by the likes of Man U and Arsenal and we fall down the league again.[/quote'] Word. The only way we're adding 20k to the gates is if we actually start winning the league. Even regularly finishing 4th wouldn't make that sort of difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 (edited) Attendances were rising after spending by Harding/Bates in the mid 90's which lead to better league/cup performances, this was before Abramovich tookover and spent the huge amounts you mentioned. Better team/more success = bigger crowds Which is the point I was making after Golac's Cunning Stunts claimed that attendances would remain similar irrespective of team performance. So do you think Chelsea only got crowds of 40k upwards after investment? Or did they just find 20,000 extra fans? Edited 29 January, 2013 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 (edited) They will remain similar. Nothing you say about Chelski alters my opinion on that. They may go up by 5 or so thousand' date=' but will immediately drop once our players are bought by the likes of Man U and Arsenal and we fall down the league again.[/quote'] It's pointless arguing with him. He thinks Saints have more match going fans than Everton despite us never once in our history having had a bigger average attendance than them. Edited 29 January, 2013 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 So do you think Chelsea only got crowds of 40k upwards after investment? Or did they just find 20,000 extra fans? From 1979 to 1995 when Matthew Harding invested heavily in the team Chelsea didn't average above 25,000. At points in that 16 year period it dropped as low as 12,000. 16 years is quite a significant period don't you think? Yes, they had crowds of 40,000 in the 1950/60's, but are you saying it is those 20,000 that came back in the early 2000's? That is quite a huge gap in time. An alternative view would be that the success of the team from investment by Harding/Bates and then Abramovich lead to an increase in the fanbase after decades of people not attending games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 It's pointless arguing with him. He thinks Saints have more match going fans than Everton despite us never once in our history having had a bigger average attendance than them. You have twisted that somewhat. My point regarding Everton was that the gap in averages between the two clubs isn't that great considering one is 5th and the other is 15th. It is more appealing to watch a 5th place side to most fans than a 15th place side. Plus, Everton have the advantage that the average can be boosted from attendances in big games as their capacity is 40k, where as Saints are restricted by the 32k capacity. If St Mary's capacity was 40k this season, the average would be higher as games we've sold out would be capped at 40k not 32k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 Are you really saying we're on par with Everton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 Are you really saying we're on par with Everton? I'm saying what I said in post #991. What about that post do you disagree with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 I'm saying what I said in post #991. What about that post do you disagree with? The fact you're saying that we would bridge the attendance gap between us and Everton regularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 The fact you're saying that we would bridge the attendance gap between us and Everton regularly. I didn't ask that. I asked "what in post #991 do you disagree with?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 Saints will never be able to compete with the likes of Chelsea all the the they are stuck in such a small stadium. The trouble is we just don't have the attendances to suggest we could finance an upgrade in the long run. That said, if they put prices up and offered some sort of premium match day experience we could probably make more money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 Jesus Christ. I don't have the energy or willpower for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 (edited) I'm saying what I said in post #991. What about that post do you disagree with? You have said before 'its arguable that saints have more match going fans than Everton' we have never in our history averaged more than them in a season. So you are wrong as usual. I'm not going to find the post which I Know you'll ask me ask me to as i can't be arsed to go back through months of your nonsense to prove a point on a mongboard no one except you cares about or believes is true. Edited 29 January, 2013 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 Jesus Christ. I don't have the energy or willpower for this. I could say the same, because you have listed something I didn't say in post #991. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 Don't bother arguing with MLG on Everton. Many have died pursuing such a teeth grindingly pointless cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 Good evening everyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 28 January, 2013 Share Posted 28 January, 2013 Aren't Everton a much bigger club than Saints? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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