Saint Garrett Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 (edited) Point at Chelsea and a win vs Everton, and we'll be we'll on our way! Edited 13 January, 2013 by Saint Garrett
Thedelldays Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 I dont think newcastle will go down at all.... I think this is wigans year...they cant keep selling their best players and stay up...Martinez has done a remarkable job I still think reading will fight till the end...they have very favourable home fixtures in the 2nd half of the season QPR...well, 4 points from chelsea away and spurs at home is definitely a corner turned Villa...they are going down I think shout towards norwich and fulham as they are slipping sunderland wont go down either
Barry Sanchez Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 Please lets not start positive news/press/betting slips = brilliant journalism and negative or perceived negative news/press/betting slips = sloppy lazy journalism.
Golac's Iron Gonads Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 West Ham must be big odds, I'd have a punt on them if only Reading, QPR and Villa weren't so bloody awful. Really don't think QPR have turned a corner, battered by Spurs and battered by a half strength Chelsea outfit, very very fortunate to pick up 4 points. That luck won't last.
positivepete Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 West Ham must be big odds' date=' I'd have a punt on them if only Reading, QPR and Villa weren't so bloody awful. Really don't think QPR have turned a corner, battered by Spurs and battered by a half strength Chelsea outfit, very very fortunate to pick up 4 points. That luck won't last.[/quote'] There is often one club that drops like a stone the second half of the season, it happened to us in the seventies, sixth at Christmas then relegated. More recently newly promoted clubs like Hull and Blackpool. West Ham are not very good, teams get worked out at this level as the season progresses. But as you say are they worse than the current bottom three?
Ampersound Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 I dont think newcastle will go down at all.... I think this is wigans year...they cant keep selling their best players and stay up...Martinez has done a remarkable job I still think reading will fight till the end...they have very favourable home fixtures in the 2nd half of the season QPR...well, 4 points from chelsea away and spurs at home is definitely a corner turned Villa...they are going down I think shout towards norwich and fulham as they are slipping sunderland wont go down either I have a conspiracy theory about QPR... Nearly all there points have come against London clubs.. I half wonder if there is some sort of "let's give them a hand so we can have more local derbies" thing going on. Probably nothing in it but very strange
CB Fry Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 West Ham must be big odds' date=' I'd have a punt on them if only Reading, QPR and Villa weren't so bloody awful. Really don't think QPR have turned a corner, battered by Spurs and battered by a half strength Chelsea outfit, very very fortunate to pick up 4 points. That luck won't last.[/quote'] West Ham currently as likely to go down as Man United are.
JustMike Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 a point at Chelsea??? I just hope we don't get smashed
Wes Tender Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 West Ham currently as likely to go down as Man United are. Quite one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever seen from you.
Turkish Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 I have a conspiracy theory about QPR... Nearly all there points have come against London clubs.. I half wonder if there is some sort of "let's give them a hand so we can have more local derbies" thing going on. Probably nothing in it but very strange This is bound to be true. All the London clubs will throw games against them as to keep them in the premier league. Chelsea certainly did this and Spurs played for a draw as neither of them need the points for their own champions league challenge as they'd rather play QPR twice a season.
CB Fry Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 Quite one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever seen from you. Is it? 17 clubs stay up every season. West Ham will finish in that top 17. See you in May.
Tamesaint Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 Quite one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever seen from you. ...and boy it does have some competition!! Bet 365 have West Ham at 22/1 to be relegated. For some unfathomable reason they do not have odds on Man U to be relegated.
Barry Sanchez Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 I have a conspiracy theory about QPR... Nearly all there points have come against London clubs.. I half wonder if there is some sort of "let's give them a hand so we can have more local derbies" thing going on. Probably nothing in it but very strange There is most certainly nothing in that, would the Island dwellers give us something? We could of given them 6 points last year?
SaintBobby Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 West Ham currently as likely to go down as Man United are. Hmm. Not sure how you reach that conclusion. Bizarre.
Pilchards Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 West Ham currently as likely to go down as Man United are. Oh dear someone has been drinking!! Why do we have such idiots on this forum?
Thedelldays Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 Oh dear someone has been drinking!! Why do we have such idiots on this forum? because west ham wont be going down...which was clearly his point I know it is fashionable to think many teams above us are so rubbish..but west ham will not be going down
Pilchards Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 because west ham wont be going down...which was clearly his point I know it is fashionable to think many teams above us are so rubbish..but west ham will not be going down Once the rot sets in then it's hard to stop it, Norwich & Newcastle are having a wobble & so could West Ham. So the answer is they have every chance of relegation.
Thedelldays Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 Once the rot sets in then it's hard to stop it, Norwich & Newcastle are having a wobble & so could West Ham. So the answer is they have every chance of relegation. they wont go down..seriously
CB Fry Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 Oh dear someone has been drinking!! Why do we have such idiots on this forum? Stick to skulking around the training ground car park or whatever it is you do. WHU aren't going down you absolute spanner.
JustMike Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 they wont go down..seriously they won't go down but can see them being dragged into the fight
austsaint Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 Unfortunately, I think the bookies are right - we are one of five teams facing relegation. QPR do look to be playing for "Arry; Reading are going to dig in with favourable home games to come; Aston Vila are not going to roll over and Wigan have a track record of shrugging off relegation fears. Hope we are safe before the last two or so fixtures but it looks like a tight finish as May approaches. It's hard to imagine the Newcastles' and Sunderlands' being drawn in.
Joesaint Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 because west ham wont be going down...which was clearly his point I know it is fashionable to think many teams above us are so rubbish..but west ham will not be going down I have to say that I feel there is a chance, they were very poor on MOTD - Joe Cole not looking great either, and do they have much money to get in some more players? C, Cole is not doing to well is he. West Ham have 26 points, if they were to be on a loosing run they will be in the fight. I just hope we can keep out of it!!!! 10 points is the difference between 16/15th and 8th, with WBA just above. This is a very close league!
MOSaint Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 If any of the sides just above us (West Ham, Norwich, Sunderland & Fulham) are likely going to be dragged into the relegation battle, it's Fulham. They started the season quite well, but have won Been shocking since late October.
Saint Charlie Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 We have played the teams below us 6 times and won 5 lost 1. Good record that is keeping us out the bottom 3 at the moment. I believe there are at least 3 worse teams than us but the points are what counts so need to keep picking them up - point a game average from here should do it.
Whitey Grandad Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 Six wins and a couple of draws should be enough, I reckon, but it will probably go to the last game. Stoke at home to stay up?
Saint Charlie Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 If any of the sides just above us (West Ham, Norwich, Sunderland & Fulham) are likely going to be dragged into the relegation battle, it's Fulham. They started the season quite well, but have won Been shocking since late October. Norwich only have 1 point from 5 games and on paper a side that isnt packed full of quality.
the stain Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 I have a conspiracy theory about QPR... Nearly all there points have come against London clubs.. I half wonder if there is some sort of "let's give them a hand so we can have more local derbies" thing going on. Probably nothing in it but very strange
ludgershallsaint Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 Six wins and a couple of draws should be enough, I reckon, but it will probably go to the last game. Stoke at home to stay up? 5 and a few draws or any other combination that generates 17 points. By this stage points per game is a pretty good indicator - 38, with a good GD, should do it.
Saints boy in Leeds Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 a point at Chelsea??? I just hope we don't get smashed This
ludgershallsaint Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 Being in the same place in the table at 945 Wednesday night would be a good result.
Dig Dig Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 This is bound to be true. All the London clubs will throw games against them as to keep them in the premier league. Chelsea certainly did this and Spurs played for a draw as neither of them need the points for their own champions league challenge as they'd rather play QPR twice a season. The London conspiracy is backed by the beeb
Faz Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 League Table after 22 games last season: Bolton went down on 36 points. Villa have amassed 30 points from their last 38 league games. QPR 31. Wigan gained 28 points in their last 16 of last season. 37 points in their last 38 PL games. No idea what it all tells us.
Goalie66 Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 This is bound to be true. All the London clubs will throw games against them as to keep them in the premier league. Chelsea certainly did this and Spurs played for a draw as neither of them need the points for their own champions league challenge as they'd rather play QPR twice a season. What a load of crap
CB Fry Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 League Table after 22 games last season: Bolton went down on 36 points. Villa have amassed 30 points from their last 38 league games. QPR 31. Wigan gained 28 points in their last 16 of last season. 37 points in their last 38 PL games. No idea what it all tells us. It tells us the teams on 26 points after that many games did not go down. And that the bottom three teams came from the bottom four then. The brains trust on this forum can talk about collapses and mega surges of form but the brutal truth is very little will change between now and May. West Ham are as likely as Man United to go down. They aint going down. If that was Saints in that position right now Les Wender and gang would be crowing about Champions League and 50,000 stadiums and sneering at anyone saying we were scrapping to stay up.
Barry Sanchez Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 CBFry Very true ha ha Wes would be apologizing to other clubs for the next 150232 years of Southampton's dominance of World football.................
Faz Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 It tells us the teams on 26 points after that many games did not go down. And that the bottom three teams came from the bottom four then. The brains trust on this forum can talk about collapses and mega surges of form but the brutal truth is very little will change between now and May. West Ham are as likely as Man United to go down. They aint going down. If that was Saints in that position right now Les Wender and gang would be crowing about Champions League and 50,000 stadiums and sneering at anyone saying we were scrapping to stay up. It also tells us that any team with more than 20 points didn't go down, so I take comfort from the fact we are as safe as Man Utd.
SaintBobby Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 Stick to skulking around the training ground car park or whatever it is you do. WHU aren't going down you absolute spanner. It's very unlikely that West Ham will go down (maybe 3% or 4%?) But your claim was their chance of relegation was the same as Man Utd's. It isn't. That's nuts.
Saint Without a Halo Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 West Ham currently as likely to go down as Man United are. Never get a job as a bookie!
Saint Without a Halo Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 It tells us the teams on 26 points after that many games did not go down. And that the bottom three teams came from the bottom four then. The brains trust on this forum can talk about collapses and mega surges of form but the brutal truth is very little will change between now and May. West Ham are as likely as Man United to go down. They aint going down. If that was Saints in that position right now Les Wender and gang would be crowing about Champions League and 50,000 stadiums and sneering at anyone saying we were scrapping to stay up. If any of the teams in that table on points in the mid to high 20's had a 2nd half run like the one wigan had first half they would probably go down! True it is unlikely and the candidates are likely to be lower down but it is just as likely as Wigans escape and that happened!
CB Fry Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 It's very unlikely that West Ham will go down (maybe 3% or 4%?) But your claim was their chance of relegation was the same as Man Utd's. It isn't. That's nuts. 17 clubs will stay up. Man U and WHU will be in that 17. Together. Get over it.
Wes Tender Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 17 clubs will stay up. Man U and WHU will be in that 17. Together. Get over it. It doesn't matter how you try and dress it up, it is still the most ludicrous thing that you have said on this forum in my memory. You might as well say that West Ham have an equal chance to Manchester United of being champions. That is equally as barmy. Sometimes you're just really barking.
Thedelldays Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 (edited) It doesn't matter how you try and dress it up, it is still the most ludicrous thing that you have said on this forum in my memory. You might as well say that West Ham have an equal chance to Manchester United of being champions. That is equally as barmy. Sometimes you're just really barking. more ridiculous as saints competing for the champions league and justifying it by stating that man landed on the moon..? Edited 13 January, 2013 by Thedelldays
CB Fry Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 (edited) It doesn't matter how you try and dress it up, it is still the most ludicrous thing that you have said on this forum in my memory. You might as well say that West Ham have an equal chance to Manchester United of being champions. That is equally as barmy. Sometimes you're just really barking. No idea what you're on about but it is not in the slightest like saying West Ham will win the title. If you think WHU are going down, good for you. Lets see who's right in May. 11th place. 26 points. Half the season gone. And suggesting they definitely won't go down is "ludicrous". You're a joke. Edited 13 January, 2013 by CB Fry
CanadaSaint Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 There's nearly always a "free-fall team" and there are several candidates this year, including ourselves. Newcastle have lost Ba, and if they lose Coloccini as well they could be in deep sh*t. He's the one who holds their rather dodgy defence together. The Cabaye/Tiote propensity for red cards really hurts their midfield. I don't think they'll go down because they have a lot of home games against fellow strugglers, but it could be very close. If Reading's win against WBA starts a good home run, they could do themselves a lot of good in home games against fellow strugglers. Wigan have the fewest games against the Elite 4. Our five home games against the Middle 8 (Everton, Liverpool, West Ham, Stoke and West Brom) look really, really important. [TABLE=width: 500] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD]All Games[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]VS Elite 4[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]VS Middle 8[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]vs Fellow Strugglers[/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD]Home[/TD] [TD]Away[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]Home[/TD] [TD]Away[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]Home[/TD] [TD]Away[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]Home[/TD] [TD]Away[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Aston Villa[/TD] [TD]8[/TD] [TD]8[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]2[/TD] [TD]2[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]2[/TD] [TD]3[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]4[/TD] [TD]3[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Fulham[/TD] [TD]8[/TD] [TD]8[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]3[/TD] [TD]1[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]3[/TD] [TD]4[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]2[/TD] [TD]3[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Newcastle[/TD] [TD]8[/TD] [TD]8[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]2[/TD] [TD]2[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]1[/TD] [TD]3[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]5[/TD] [TD]3[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]QPR[/TD] [TD]8[/TD] [TD]8[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]3[/TD] [TD]0[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]2[/TD] [TD]4[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]3[/TD] [TD]4[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Reading[/TD] [TD]8[/TD] [TD]8[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]2[/TD] [TD]2[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]1[/TD] [TD]4[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]5[/TD] [TD]2[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Southampton[/TD] [TD]8[/TD] [TD]9[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]2[/TD] [TD]2[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]5[/TD] [TD]3[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]1[/TD] [TD]4[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Sunderland[/TD] [TD]8[/TD] [TD]8[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]2[/TD] [TD]1[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]4[/TD] [TD]3[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]2[/TD] [TD]4[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Wigan[/TD] [TD]8[/TD] [TD]8[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]0[/TD] [TD]2[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]4[/TD] [TD]4[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]4[/TD] [TD]2[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE]
Window Cleaner Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 17 clubs will stay up. Man U and WHU will be in that 17. Together. Get over it. 17 is also the number of points we probably now need, 4 wins,5 draws will do the trick.
Dark Munster Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 It tells us the teams on 26 points after that many games did not go down. And that the bottom three teams came from the bottom four then. The brains trust on this forum can talk about collapses and mega surges of form but the brutal truth is very little will change between now and May. West Ham are as likely as Man United to go down. They aint going down. If that was Saints in that position right now Les Wender and gang would be crowing about Champions League and 50,000 stadiums and sneering at anyone saying we were scrapping to stay up. Would you be willing to bet your house on it? If offered evens say, I'd be happy to bet my house on Manure not going down (assuming no Juventus type punishments for corruption). But if offered evens on West Ham not going down, no way I'd risk wagering my house (even though I'd likely win). So no, the odds of West Ham going down are not the same as Manure's.
Wes Tender Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 more ridiculous as saints competing for the champions league and justifying it by stating that man landed on the moon..? I really do pity your lack of comprehension. I'd better clarify my position on this, so that the likes of you, CB Fry and Turkish can understand it once and for all; that is, if you are all capable of the feat, or if indeed you are at all receptive to trying to understand something really quite simple. Regarding the possibility of us ever playing in the Champions League, mooted as an ambition by Messrs Cortese and Liebherr:- My position is and has always been that although unlikely, it is not impossible. Is that clear? As an illustration as to other things that were once upon a time deemed to be impossible, I cited landing a man on the moon, or climbing Everest. Adkins, has used as an example the seeming impossibility many years ago of a man being capable of running a mile in under 4 minutes. No doubt if he posted on here, he would be ridiculed by the intellectual pygmies on here for that too. CB FryNo idea what you're on about but it is not in the slightest like saying West Ham will win the title. If you think WHU are going down, good for you. Lets see who's right in May. Not a surprise that you don't know what I'm on about. You often find it difficult to understand what others are saying. I turned your stupid statement upside down and said that by your reasoning West Ham would have an equal chance to Manchester United of becoming champions. Neither did I forecast that West Ham would be relegated. I just pointed out how ridiculaous it was saying that they had an equal chance of relegation to Man Utd.
Wes Tender Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 This explains very well many of the factors that can or do come into play in a relegation struggle. It is very difficult indeed to predict who might go down at this stage of the season with any certainty. We as a club have confounded the statisticians on more than one occasion. http://www.soccerbythenumbers.com/2012/02/dynamics-of-relegation-in-premier.html#more
CB Fry Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 Not a surprise that you don't know what I'm on about. You often find it difficult to understand what others are saying. I turned your stupid statement upside down and said that by your reasoning West Ham would have an equal chance to Manchester United of becoming champions. Neither did I forecast that West Ham would be relegated. I just pointed out how ridiculaous it was saying that they had an equal chance of relegation to Man Utd. You do realise that seventeen teams don't get relegated and only one becomes champions? And you do realise that seventeen is a much bigger number than one? And you do realise I haven't used the phrase "equal chance" at any point on this thread? You can put it in bold as much as you like. And you do realise you are a moron?
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