Gaston Ramirez , has he lived up to the hype?

[Window Cleaner]

Absolutely not. Looks like a good player but there isn't enough quality around him to allow him to shine and there probably never will be. If someone offers £12m for him I'd snatch their hand off as I don't think we'll see anything like that for him in the future.

 

We need to dispel this illusion . We have at least 3 players who are better than Gaston at this moment in time. We probably paid too much for him in his present state. Then again so have most teams, looked at both matches yesterday afternoon and 3 of those 4 sides have players who have not reached the potential the clubs paid for them. Allen was diabolical,Henderson, Jones,Kagawa,Diaby,Podolski and even Cazorla weren't worth anywhere near the prices paid on those performances. Cortese wanted a flagship signing, he made one, the player will get better eventually but he may well be struggling with English Football ,it's intensity, it's weather conditions and the number of games he's required to play.

[SaintWill71]

He gave not only the team but the whole club a massive lift when he arrived.

 

Was pivotal against Villa and turned the match around.

 

And as for being 'not up for the fight' his performance against Arsenal says all you need to know about how wrong that statement is, tracking back, sliding tackles, he cares alright.

[ozzmeister]

Didnt one of the players say what he does it training is at another level but its only Adam thats on the same wave length? As much as people say theres a period where he needs to get used to English football, I think the counter is that the team needs to get used to how he plays.

 

On a side, he wins world player of the year in FM by 2019 - not that, that should be taken to mean anything.

[JackanorySFC]

Didnt one of the players say what he does it training is at another level but its only Adam thats on the same wave length? As much as people say theres a period where he needs to get used to English football, I think the counter is that the team needs to get used to how he plays.

 

On a side, he wins world player of the year in FM by 2019 - not that, that should be taken to mean anything.

 

Yes, a current Saints player told me that over dinner last weekend. In training he is (by a distance) our best player, the squad think he's a different class and are struggling to keep up with his footballing brain, all except "Ads", apparently Lallana can read him. However the player told me things are improving, Gaston is having full time English lessons and we have an interpreter to help him out. According to my family friend buying Gaston was a huge statement of intent which made the first team sit up and take notice, they are over the moon we signed a player of his reputation and skill. Oh, also they are impressed with how strong he is, no one can push him off the ball and he digs deep in training, a real asset.

 

Some of the comments on this thread are moronic btw.

[Dig Dig]

Yes, a current Saints player told me that over dinner last weekend. In training he is (by a distance) our best player, the squad think he's a different class and are struggling to keep up with his footballing brain, all except "Ads", apparently Lallana can read him. However the player told me things are improving, Gaston is having full time English lessons and we have an interpreter to help him out. According to my family friend buying Gaston was a huge statement of intent which made the first team sit up and take notice, they are over the moon we signed a player of his reputation and skill. Oh, also they are impressed with how strong he is, no one can push him off the ball and he digs deep in training, a real asset.

 

Some of the comments on this thread are moronic btw.

 

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[Saint Charlie]

Yes, a current Saints player told me that over dinner last weekend. In training he is (by a distance) our best player, the squad think he's a different class and are struggling to keep up with his footballing brain, all except "Ads", apparently Lallana can read him. However the player told me things are improving, Gaston is having full time English lessons and we have an interpreter to help him out. According to my family friend buying Gaston was a huge statement of intent which made the first team sit up and take notice, they are over the moon we signed a player of his reputation and skill. Oh, also they are impressed with how strong he is, no one can push him off the ball and he digs deep in training, a real asset.

 

Some of the comments on this thread are moronic btw.

 

Best post of the thread, thanks for sharing.

[Thedelldays]

Yes, a current Saints player told me that over dinner last weekend. In training he is (by a distance) our best player, the squad think he's a different class and are struggling to keep up with his footballing brain, all except "Ads", apparently Lallana can read him. However the player told me things are improving, Gaston is having full time English lessons and we have an interpreter to help him out. According to my family friend buying Gaston was a huge statement of intent which made the first team sit up and take notice, they are over the moon we signed a player of his reputation and skill. Oh, also they are impressed with how strong he is, no one can push him off the ball and he digs deep in training, a real asset.

 

Some of the comments on this thread are moronic btw.

 

Not moronic and I don't think a single person has said he does not have huge potential. Just some (including me) are saying he has not lived up to the price tag... YET

 

depsite being phenomenal in training, he was probably the (one of) worst player on the pitch on sat... A pitch that had hooiveld and countless poor villa players.

 

He goes missing on away days..

Which again (as many have said) is understandable given his age and where he has come from

 

Can't see what is moronic about that ?

Edited 14 January, 2013 by Thedelldays

[Sour Mash]

Didnt one of the players say what he does it training is at another level but its only Adam thats on the same wave length? As much as people say theres a period where he needs to get used to English football, I think the counter is that the team needs to get used to how he plays.

 

On a side, he wins world player of the year in FM by 2019 - not that, that should be taken to mean anything.

But that's not the problem is it - Villa at home, Newcastle at home and the Arsenal game, there didn't seem to be too much a problem with the other players reading what he was trying to do. The problem is him not getting involved enough in tough, tight away games, when a moment of genius is often needed, but instead the game just passed him by, like at Villa on Saturday.

[Window Cleaner]

But that's not the problem is it - Villa at home, Newcastle at home and the Arsenal game, there didn't seem to be too much a problem with the other players reading what he was trying to do. The problem is him not getting involved enough in tough, tight away games, when a moment of genius is often needed, but instead the game just passed him by, like at Villa on Saturday.

 

There was an incident on Saturday where Gaston might have shown his real worth, after he'd been subbed though I think. When

Punch hit the post and JRod and Lambert were too far back to follow in. Think Gaston would have been on that like a flash.

[Turkish]

There was an incident on Saturday where Gaston might have shown his real worth, after he'd been subbed though I think. When

Punch hit the post and JRod and Lambert were too far back to follow in. Think Gaston would have been on that like a flash.

 

 

Ehh? Lambert was offisde so couldn't touch it, Rodriguez was no where near it and i dind't realise Ramirez was a six yard box goal poacher, plus he was also on the pitch when it happened so not quite sure what you are on about.

[Window Cleaner]

Ehh? Lambert was offisde so couldn't touch it, Rodriguez was no where near it and i dind't realise Ramirez was a six yard box goal poacher, plus he was also on the pitch when it happened so not quite sure what you are on about.

 

Right I thought he'd been subbed by then, silly me.

[Roger]

Right I thought he'd been subbed by then, silly me.

 

Another moronic comment from you.

[david in sweden]

Judge no foreign footballer whose just moved to this country for at least 6 months' date=' he's also just a young lad so the consistency won't be there anyway[/quote']

 

good point, well made Matty's Caddy....

anyone who has moved to another country, and had to adjust to new bosses and colleagues, new work schedules, different culture, different food...and different language will know that "settling in " takes time.....not to mention that .....he has to get (and stay) fit and fulfill the manifold expectations of .. .the fans. In the brief period here, he has had two injuries and also a family bereavement to contend with.

 

Being judged by the size of the fee is another mistake. He didn't decide on the fee - it was between - his former club, SFC and his agent.....all he had to do was agree terms and sign on the dotted line.

Conversely....some people may say about (another player) " .he only cost £3 million, so he can't be much good !" You can't judge by the fee..and what do I care, it's not my money. I trust the Chairman.

If we are so intent on "comparing players according to the fee " it's almost impossible as our previous highest (prior to the £6 mill. Jay Rod).. was a £4 million deal ..11 years ago.

 

I've seen enough to suggest that he has real talent, and some of our other players (despite their own qualities ) aren't on his wavelength yet, and it hasn't helped in that he has (according to my quick tally) started only 12 PL games and with 6 diff. midfield line-ups, and it is no small coincidence that he has played in 8 of the 11 games where we have got points (and 4 of the 5 wins).

The most consistant being (only 5 times) with him playing alongside Schneiderlin, Cork and Lallana......(the other line-ups included; S. Davis. JWP, Guly and Puncheon)..... plus of course, he is still quite young in career terms...as someone else noted..if he's still with us in 5 years time then we'll be able to make a more structured assessment.

 

The other point ..noted today on several media sites - was his confession that he is very happy and content with being at SFC (and in England). The idea that he was disatisfied came from a rogue question, in an interview I watched (some weeks back)...when one hack asked him ..if he would like to play for a big Italian side like Fiorentina or Milan..?

His response was predicable, in that he said of yes, of course....a harmless enough response, which suddenly became a headline story that he was not happy in England and wanted to retun to Italy.

Journalism at its sordid worst! If there is no story. .create one .. and f*** the truth.

 

It will take a little longer before we begin to see his influence on the side, and finding the other pieces of the jig-saw will take some more time, so we really need to have more patience with him and the team.

Edited 14 January, 2013 by david in sweden

[pingwing]

So far he has shown a lot of good stuff, just is quite a raw player.

 

When he is running around in the hole with Lallana and Punch on their best games on the wings and Lambert up front playing well he looks amazing. Out left he looks hit and miss, thought he was hacked off the ball too many times by Villa (no bookings for some terrible L2 challenges there might I add) then his head dropped and he was pretty much out the game. A shame but it was clear it wasn't his day.

 

Stand by there is a huge amount to come from the guy as he just oozes class and talent on the ball, just needs more time for everything to come together in the squad around him.

[student]

Half the problem with his is that he's a bit sharper than the players around him. You could see the difference when he played with Lallana who is a player much more on his level. When you can get Lambert, Ramirez and Lallana linking up you'll cruise past all the lower sides. The addition of Mayuka and Rodriguez adding pace behind the back line means your chance creation should be incredible when everyone gets going.

[Halo Stickman]

The OP asked for opinions as to whether Ramirez has lived up to the hype existing at the time of his transfer. On a forum with as many subscribers as this one, that question was bound to elicit a range of responses; after all, we are a bunch of individuals, not a herd of dumb donkeys nodding in unison. Why do some people get so upset when someone else’s opinion differs from theirs?

 

As for my opinion, no, I don’t think he’s lived up to the hype, but this may have more to do with the hype than with Ramirez’s ability: the level of expectation generated in the late summer was way, way too high. The lad’s definitely got skill and has the potential, given time, to develop into a very good player. Thus far, however, he’s been prone to give the ball away too cheaply too often.

 

To argue that at least he tries to play killer passes or that the other players aren’t on his wavelength or that he’d be more effective in a better team is all well and good, but, as others have already pointed out, this is an argument that could equally well be applied to others. Couldn’t we just as easily say that Lallana and Lambert etc would be better players if others were on their wavelength or if they played in better teams?

 

I’m not normally one for lies, damn lies and statistics; nevertheless, the stats for my Daily Telegraph fantasy team credit Ramirez with only 2 goal assists, the same as Clyne, Rodrigues and Fox, whereas Lallana, Lambert and Puncheon have 5 each. Consequently, I’ve had to transfer him out of my fantasy team. On the bright side, however, dropping a player from my fantasy team usually results in that player suddenly amassing a wedge of fantasy points, so don’t be surprised to see Ramirez performing like a world beater in the coming weeks.