Norm Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 He is without doubt a very good player but he has failed to show it to date imo. Is it because, he is taking time to settle into a different country? being played out of position for the sake of the team? is not 'up for the fight'? I was told yesterday, that according to some opta(?) stats (which I have not seen) he is the poorest value for money of all transfers in 2012. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 He looks a bit to lightweight for me, gives the ball away a lot, but you can see he has something about him, I have a feeling the players around him are not on his level of thinking yet, reminds me a bit like when Makoun was at Villa, he was on a different level to the rest it made him look crap, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyD Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 He is without doubt a very good player but he has failed to show it to date imo. Is it because, he is taking time to settle into a different country? being played out of position for the sake of the team? is not 'up for the fight'? I was told yesterday, that according to some opta(?) stats (which I have not seen) he is the poorest value for money of all transfers in 2012. i saw Gaston live Vs Villa @ Home were he was MOM and I thought he was excellent Vs Arsenal on New Years Day and he's scored a few goals too, (Everton away,etc..). He's a class player but can't do it every game. Players like Carroll, Torres, Henderson and Downing are overpriced- unless you'd prefer them. Chill out,have you breakfast norm and enjoy him while he's here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 no...well, if you count home games only then yes... away, he has been a passenger nearly 100% of the time that is why I hope we dont go in for these exoctic foreigners this window... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 Nope. For a player of his value he really needs to be more consistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 13 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 13 January, 2013 Andy, I am chilled and hope to enjoy my Coco Pops in a minute. I agree that he can't be wonderful in every game but for every game in which is is very good, there are 3 games where he is very average. I like him as a player but he has not been worth the money to date imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StAndy1970 Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 Possible would have said the same about Morgan when he first signed. Now is a different thing. Gaston has disappointed some, but we mustn't loose sight of the fact, he is 22, in a team growing in confidence who endured a horrendous start to life in the premier league. The transfer fee is big by our standards (not by others) but is hopefully a long term investment which fits with the age thing the club is trying to put together. If he is still with us in 5 years time, that's perhaps the time to review his stats. Just an opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 He is like Jay a victim of the transfer fee paid - our summer transfer policy was abysmal and ignored the main areas we needed strengthening in. We spent a lot of money on these 2 and although both have shown flashes of being good we haven't got the return the price we paid for them we should have done. Its not their fault how much we paid or the value clubs, agents put on them but Gaston's performance yesterday was abysmal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 The unprecedented (for this club) size of the transfer fee and the big 'build up' some gave him on here has done him few favours methinks. However anyone can see he's a good technical footballer all right - on a par with Lallana perhaps - but I've not seen this world class match winning player we were all hoping for as yet. But he's only 21 and still adapting to the English game, so 'early days' as they say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Grute Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 Also been unlucky with some injuries - just needs a bit of luck and a regular run of games injury free! You can see he has a touch of sheer class at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 I was told yesterday, that according to some opta(?) stats (which I have not seen) he is the poorest value for money of all transfers in 2012. Dunno what the stats say but I'd of thought Giroud @ £12m, Moses @ £10m, Oscar @ £26m, Borini @ £11m, Garcia @ £16m and Rodwell @ £12m might have something to say bout it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyD Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 Andy, I am chilled and hope to enjoy my Coco Pops in a minute. I agree that he can't be wonderful in every game but for every game in which is is very good, there are 3 games where he is very average. I like him as a player but he has not been worth the money to date imo. Yeah I agree he needs to be more consistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 He's not match fit and he comes across as a player that will play if it suits him. Shame he's not a typical hard British player who would play all day long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 Do we need a thread like this every time he doesn't have a great game? He is 22 and adapting to a new style of football. Has been inconsistent at times but the key is does he have the ability of a £12m player? The answer is yes. All his poorer games have come out wide and his best ones playing off a central striker. I would much rather have him than play against him, at home he is a joy to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 no...well, if you count home games only then yes... away, he has been a passenger nearly 100% of the time that is why I hope we dont go in for these exoctic foreigners this window... If Lallana was fit or we had another left winger, I don't think he'd be starting in our away games, as he doesn't fit the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 He's not match fit and he comes across as a player that will play if it suits him. Shame he's not a typical hard British player who would play all day long. Shame the typical hard British players with his kind of ability would cost uowards of 30m! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 He is class in his best position through the middle. He often makes decent runs, demands the ball, but doesn't get it. Just as much a case of others getting used to him, as the other way round. He'll get better and better in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 He is class in his best position through the middle. He often makes decent runs, demands the ball, but doesn't get it. Just as much a case of others getting used to him, as the other way round. He'll get better and better in my opinion. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 Possible would have said the same about Morgan when he first signed. Now is a different thing. Gaston has disappointed some, but we mustn't loose sight of the fact, he is 22, in a team growing in confidence who endured a horrendous start to life in the premier league. The transfer fee is big by our standards (not by others) but is hopefully a long term investment which fits with the age thing the club is trying to put together. If he is still with us in 5 years time, that's perhaps the time to review his stats. Just an opinion. An opinion I agree with. Our style of quick passing/ball possession doesn't work well on pitches in winter, either. Judging the pace of a pass in one thing, but what happens when the ball is moving off the pitch is another....Yesterday the majority of our " big boot upfield kicks" found a man in space.... just as well as some of the " well-placed " passes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Stickman Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 I was told yesterday, that according to some opta(?) stats (which I have not seen) he is the poorest value for money of all transfers in 2012. Those stats relate to the amount of times he gives the ball away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 No, he is overpriced on this seasons performances, good player? Everybody thought that of Veron as well. I still question the validity of him being here over more experienced players but there is no doubt in a higher calibre team he would perform better as he would find himself in more space and have more time to be creative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 We need to drop him, especially away from home and give Chaplow a run out for it more bite in midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu0x Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 He's a very young man, adapting to life and football in an entirely new country. Added to which he's come to a club that has also massively struggled to adapt to its new environment. And some people are surprised that he's not ripping up every match? Virtually no players who come in from abroad perform to their full ability in their first PL season. Players like Drogba, Essien, Ronaldo, Henry, all had shaky first seasons (or in some cases longer) before they properly found their feet. Ramirez is young enough and technically good enough to perform at that sort of level. He has shown in some games that he has the natural ability to be one of the best players in the league, he just needs development and experience. I would far rather have it that way round than the other (ie a player who was 6/10 every match, but never any more). Otherwise let's go out and sign today's Rory Delap/Paul Telfer again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesfp1 Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 Given time, fitness and a decent run of starts, he could quickly become fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 I am glad we have him because he is a clear class above most players we ever sign. He is young, playing in a new country, does not speak much English, and playing with several (at least) team mates who are often not on his wavelength. Yet. He is wasted on the wing. He will keep getting better. Whether his team mates will is another thing. He has to play in the centre. Would have him every day over Carroll, Borini, Rodwell, Chamakh.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ampersound Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 I think this season is his learning to cope with English football's speed and power... Next season (assuming we stay up) he will shine even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 He's a very young man, adapting to life and football in an entirely new country. Added to which he's come to a club that has also massively struggled to adapt to its new environment. And some people are surprised that he's not ripping up every match? Virtually no players who come in from abroad perform to their full ability in their first PL season. Players like Drogba, Essien, Ronaldo, Henry, all had shaky first seasons (or in some cases longer) before they properly found their feet. Ramirez is young enough and technically good enough to perform at that sort of level. He has shown in some games that he has the natural ability to be one of the best players in the league, he just needs development and experience. I would far rather have it that way round than the other (ie a player who was 6/10 every match, but never any more). Otherwise let's go out and sign today's Rory Delap/Paul Telfer again.The new to the Country and adjusting to the pace of the League bit I can buy but at 22 and have already played abroad I find that a bit difficult to swallow, for every foreigner you mention there is a Hernández,Zola and Hazard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 He has shown in some games that he has the natural ability to be one of the best players in the league, he just needs development and experience. What!!!! He's yet to show he can be one of the best players in our team, let alone the league. He has flattered to deceive and has been very average 95% of the time. Two of the poorest teams in the league were on show yesterday, and he was one of the worst players on the pitch. Far from showing he could be one of the best players in the league, if he hadn't been a big signing, he'd be sat on the bench by now. He may come good, he may not. But I've seen nothing from him I haven't seen from Puncheon or countless other "lesser" stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 Ramirez needs a bit more class around him before we see him at his best, but he generally gets better nd better. Having said that, he suffers from the fact that our record transfer was pegged at£4m for eleven years. £12m is not a huge amount of money today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WealdSaint Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 Possible would have said the same about Morgan when he first signed. Now is a different thing. Gaston has disappointed some, but we mustn't loose sight of the fact, he is 22, in a team growing in confidence who endured a horrendous start to life in the premier league. The transfer fee is big by our standards (not by others) but is hopefully a long term investment which fits with the age thing the club is trying to put together. If he is still with us in 5 years time, that's perhaps the time to review his stats. Just an opinion. Agree 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 If he is still with us in 5 years? I would be very very surprised if he is with us in 5 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 Welcome to the premier league, 12 million generally does not get you a ready made world class player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 If he is still with us in 5 years? I would be very very surprised if he is with us in 5 months. I feel the same way about you, a similar new arrival from distant parts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 Ramirez needs a bit more class around him before we see him at his best, but he generally gets better nd better. Having said that, he suffers from the fact that our record transfer was pegged at£4m for eleven years. £12m is not a huge amount of money today.£3 Million more and you would of got Fellani and those payments from Everton to Liege are drip fed slowly so I understand, 2 and Half Kevin Mirallas's who is a class player, Michu for £2 Million, good business everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 at home...when we are on the front foot..he is very good other than that..he looks very very average at best still, he is young and we need to stay up to see if he improves. but right now, he is miles from a £12m player (record signing) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 He is like Jay a victim of the transfer fee paid - our summer transfer policy was abysmal and ignored the main areas we needed strengthening in. We spent a lot of money on these 2 and although both have shown flashes of being good we haven't got the return the price we paid for them we should have done. Its not their fault how much we paid or the value clubs, agents put on them but Gaston's performance yesterday was abysmal. Very well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 add one or two more with quality around him and we will see.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 Shame the typical hard British players with his kind of ability would cost uowards of 30m! Very true, we overprice the British players and thats why we bring in too much foreign rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 add one or two more with quality around him and we will see.... True, but to get a luxury investment purring you need to spend the same again, I cant see us doing that whilst we are in a relegation scrap, we always knew we were going to be if we did not spend the money so why in the first instance spend money on a player who has never played in this League before? Unless they thought he would have an instant impact which if they were they are being very naive and very optimistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 Welcome to the premier league, 12 million generally does not get you a ready made world class player. So some of our supporters should calm down and stop bigging him up. He passes the ball to one of our players and their gushing in their praise over him. If he gives it away to the opposition, it's because "they are not on his wavelength". He plays poorly and it's because Adkkins is playing him out of position and finally the gem that he'd be better with better players, well who wouldn't be ? Even Guly would look good in the Barca side. Our supporters are seeing good things and overlooking bad, because they want him to do well, because they were told he was a fantastic talent.There's been no evidence of it where it matters, on the pitch. If he'd been an unknown come in from Africa, they'd be calling for him to be dropped by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 He's a very young man, adapting to life and football in an entirely new country. Added to which he's come to a club that has also massively struggled to adapt to its new environment. And some people are surprised that he's not ripping up every match? Virtually no players who come in from abroad perform to their full ability in their first PL season. Players like Drogba, Essien, Ronaldo, Henry, all had shaky first seasons (or in some cases longer) before they properly found their feet. Ramirez is young enough and technically good enough to perform at that sort of level. He has shown in some games that he has the natural ability to be one of the best players in the league, he just needs development and experience. I would far rather have it that way round than the other (ie a player who was 6/10 every match, but never any more). Otherwise let's go out and sign today's Rory Delap/Paul Telfer again. This, he is without doubt class and will be a fantastic player. Older players than him have struggled to make the transition to new football, new country. Unfortunately sometimes with young players, the fee does not represent proven current ability, but also represents the potential of that player. I do not quite know what people were expecting from him. i think the problem is he his best position is off the striker and we have not really played that way before so the team is adjusting to gaston and a new way. It has already been quoted by players that they are getting used to his wavelength and basically reading better, some of the things his quick brain does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 Even Guly would look good in the Barca side. Steady on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 Even Guly would look good in the Barca side. Credibility alert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpin4rizeal Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 What!!!! He's yet to show he can be one of the best players in our team, let alone the league. He has flattered to deceive and has been very average 95% of the time. Two of the poorest teams in the league were on show yesterday, and he was one of the worst players on the pitch. Far from showing he could be one of the best players in the league, if he hadn't been a big signing, he'd be sat on the bench by now. He may come good, he may not. But I've seen nothing from him I haven't seen from Puncheon or countless other "lesser" stars. I actually agree with stu at times Ramirez looks like he could be one of the best players in the league and world class he can be a bit inconsistent at the moment but there's always little flashes of awesomeness I think we have a star on our hands we just need to play him in his best position and get the best out of him , even though I much prefer Lambert to jay rod it would be interesting to see Ramirez behind Rodriguez, Gaston can play some nice through balls but with Richie up front he doesn't have the pace to reach them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 The key is his age - he is more one for the future when we have more players of his level. At the moment the others can't match him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 So some of our supporters should calm down and stop bigging him up. He passes the ball to one of our players and their gushing in their praise over him. If he gives it away to the opposition, it's because "they are not on his wavelength". He plays poorly and it's because Adkkins is playing him out of position and finally the gem that he'd be better with better players, well who wouldn't be ? Even Guly would look good in the Barca side. Our supporters are seeing good things and overlooking bad, because they want him to do well, because they were told he was a fantastic talent.There's been no evidence of it where it matters, on the pitch. If he'd been an unknown come in from Africa, they'd be calling for him to be dropped by now. This. And to think his acqisition prevented proper strengthening of the defence... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaneNero Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 We definitely paid too much for this geeza. At least he is an overconfident c*nt like most young hotshots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 This. And to think his acqisition prevented proper strengthening of the defence... This is a FACT...an undisputable fact.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 The key is his age - he is more one for the future when we have more players of his level. At the moment the others can't match him. Really? We have 3 or 4 players better than Gaston because he is erratic and they aren't. He'll be better when it isn't cold, wet and miserable. It takes a while for players to adapt to the English game and conditions. He's taking tackles now that would bring immediate red cards in Italy. Of all our recruits I'd say Maya has adapted the best of all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mmm Donuts Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 I'm not sure we have seen the best out of many of our players yet. If he is our 'best player' then find his best position and play him in it all the time. Let him develop, pull the strings whatever it takes really. For me though I like him. I don't like the square pegs in round holes approach though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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