krissyboy31 Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 You are describing the advantage rule as it applies to rugby' date=' not to football. You don't even know the rules of the game![/quote'] According to Chris Rann on Twitter, Halsey has said it was given for the original challenge by the keeper.
Professor Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 The pen was for the first offence by the keeper who clattered Rickie, ref played on, jay Rod went down, Gaston put over the bar, ref realised no advantage gained and gave the pen for the first offence. End of. Having just watched the rteplay I agree with this, that the penalty was for the offence by the keeper who brought down the Saints' player - I think it was Puncheon. Despite the desparate attempts by some people to claim a foul can be awarded if a player avoids the contact, I have to say that is utter and complete tripe!
ottery st mary Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 The point some of you are making/IMPLYING IS THAT JAY ROD CHEATED.... HE CLEARLY TRIES TO AVOID THE ATTEMPTED TACKLE... At that time...I suggest he had no thoughts of trying to gain a penalty OR he would have made contact and rolled over 3 or 4 times like the real cheats at the big clubs who tend to win many penalties...Jay Rod made no effort to con the ref or even appeal.. Whereas the GK has already fouled Puncheon before making contact with the ball.... Halsey is spot on IMO......of course FFS some of you want to give the 3 points to Villa:blush:
RonManager Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 No way, thats all in our heads, remember ? Not in mine pal, got the old tin foil hat on at all times. Government spies are everywhere. They won't get me.
the wedge Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 At the game I thought it had been given for the challenge on Punch. Now seeing it in the highlights neither challenge was a pen. And I think we are clutching at straws to say Jay Rod didn't dive. It certainly doesn't look good from the POV of the cameras and indeed any neutral fan. Like someone has said, if it happened to any opposition player then we'd quite rightly be up in arms. Swings and roundabouts and all that.
Ampersound Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 Dive all day long.... I'm so glad Jrod is a fan of that Splash! show on ITV that he felt compelled to practiced a dive today.
Dr Who? Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 reply here: http://www.footytube.com/video/aston-villa-southampton-jan12-151696?ref=hp_latestvideos Also some nice stats, that show over 90 minutes, it was about even...... Apart from the 0-1 shoreline.
CB Fry Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 The BBC just hate us for some reason. Jesus christ.
ottery st mary Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 Jesus christ. You called my son:p The only one who luvvves is my mate Mark Halsey:rolleyes:
CB Fry Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 The BBC just hate us for some reason. Just showed a nice little montage of our four one win earlier in the season on MOTD, they didn't have to. They must really hate us.
Dr Who? Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 Keeper made a save, and punch fell over him, jrod was not touched and dived!
Whitey Grandad Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 Having just watched the rteplay I agree with this, that the penalty was for the offence by the keeper who brought down the Saints' player - I think it was Puncheon. Despite the desparate attempts by some people to claim a foul can be awarded if a player avoids the contact, I have to say that is utter and complete tripe! Not tripe at all. Go and do a refereeing course and then come back.
Jimmy_D Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 BBC have changed their report now. Edit: No they haven't >_
Colinjb Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 According to Chris Rann on Twitter, Halsey has said it was given for the original challenge by the keeper. Which is right, Punch was clattered.
Turkish Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 Which is right, Punch was clattered. Keeper got the ball first.
Colinjb Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 Keeper got the ball first. It was more a penalty then Rodriguez' I'm not going to argue too much, just be grateful for the rub of the green for once.
The Kraken Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 Keeper got the ball first. Absolutely. First replay of the dive on MOTD was a good angle, Guzan clearly got the ball first, no question. Puncheon then fell over him.
Turkish Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 It was more a penalty then Rodriguez' I'm not going to argue too much, just be grateful for the rub of the green for once. Neither were pens. I'll gladly take the points though.
St Marco Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 Seen it about 50 times and it is still a dive... I can understand people ****ed off at what the BBC said but it was an obvious dive. Keeper got the ball ahead of Puncheon and Jay Rod just fell over. He thought a tackle was going to come in and it didn't. You could understand if he was running and wanted to save himself from a tackle but he was walking and there was no tackle. If it happened to us I'm sure those saying it was not a dive would of said it was.
John Boy Saint Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 Blimey Clyne made team of the day on MOTD so they can't all bad
Pugwash Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 Halsey apparently told Andy Crosby it was for a foul on Punch and the ref played advantage. Must be where Chris Ran got his info. Keeper got the ball first though..
Whitey Grandad Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 Seen it about 50 times and it is still a dive... I can understand people ****ed off at what the BBC said but it was an obvious dive. Keeper got the ball ahead of Puncheon and Jay Rod just fell over. He thought a tackle was going to come in and it didn't. You could understand if he was running and wanted to save himself from a tackle but he was walking and there was no tackle. If it happened to us I'm sure those saying it was not a dive would of said it was. It certainly looks like a tackle to me. IfJ-rod plants his right foot down without withdrawing it he would be lucky to escape a serious injury.
Turkish Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 Seen it about 50 times and it is still a dive... I can understand people ****ed off at what the BBC said but it was an obvious dive. Keeper got the ball ahead of Puncheon and Jay Rod just fell over. He thought a tackle was going to come in and it didn't. You could understand if he was running and wanted to save himself from a tackle but he was walking and there was no tackle. If it happened to us I'm sure those saying it was not a dive would of said it was. You have just repeated almost word for word what Shearer said.
Dr Who? Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 Not tripe at all. Go and do a refereeing course and then come back. Yep a point that many have missed, the fact that it was an attempt a foul (would have been if he left his foot and it had not moved). Intent it is called. Saying this, I do not think this is the case as I do not think anyone could react that quickly. Ref got it wrong.... But hey!
St Marco Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 It certainly looks like a tackle to me. IfJ-rod plants his right foot down without withdrawing it he would be lucky to escape a serious injury. Game of opinions and that but I totally disagree. It was going so slow that he would of been aware of someone lunging in but there was no lunge. The guy did a toe poke attempt at the ball and was nowhere near Jay Rods foot. He went down before the guy had even fully extended his foot. I don't see how he could of planted his feet when they were both going so slow? If penalties were given for phantom tackles then you would get hundreds a game. Puncheon getting taken out by the keeper could of been a lot worse. One is being brave and taking a bump like Puncheon did and the other is falling over with no touch or foot near you. Can't really call that one brave in my book.
stcappy Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 There are penalties and decisions we should have had this season that we haven't had. We got one today that went out way. No-one has mentioned the benteke elbows, or his deliberate handball, the studs up challenge on gaston, the wild lunge at Morgan - all could and should have contributed to villa players being sent off. Halsey had a poor game full stop. And for the record, I think it's law 12 that says that it's an offence "to trip or attempt to trip" - therefore the idea that contact is necessary is nonsense.
skintsaint Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 Looks like JR just wanted to poke the ball to GR and avoid the tackle to me. He didn't roll about on the floor, appeal or even look at the ref. Not his fault it was given as a penalty.
Wade Garrett Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 Mata's dive was just as bad, but the difference is that Chelsea have about 5 players who dive every week.
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 Enough reasoned debate on here and elsewhere to suggest the dive was not 'blatant'. Therefore BBC journalist is a cock.
david in sweden Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 I've watched the video replay several times and ..as I see it...he didn't dive. Everything happens here in a split second, Rodrigues loses the ball and it rebounds into space, Puncheon goes after it and IMO is fouled by the keeper who spills the ball and Rodrigues (being nearest) goes for the loose ball....the Villa defender made a clumsy lunge with his leg ....which JayRod tried to avoid, lost his balance and fell - I don't see any physical contact - but as soon as Jay Rod gets up his expression, words and body language say ..I didn't dive. At this point.the ref. blows .and awards the penalty. IF the ref. misjudged the situation, or found grounds for a penalty after us advantage after the keeper lost the ball and JayRod was nearest..only he knows, it was his decision. IF anything I think the keeper was guilty of a foul (penalty offence) on Puncheon, but I really can't see that JayRod dived ..(reasons above) plus ...he didn't apppeal for penalty either. It probably wouldn't have been seen as so controversial ......if it hadn't been the only goal in the game. It might may /may not have been be a penalty (according to the book ) but I don't think that JayRod dived, and it's unfair to brand him a cheat, especially when there are so many other well-known " actors " in the Prem. who get away with it every time.
Dellman Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 even the BBC pundits admit they first thought it was a clear penalty, it takes about five slow motion replays to see he wasn't touched, but that doesn't mean he dived, players do fall over in a melee or moving at speed to avoid tackles. why not just say that instead of implying cheating?
Eastcowzer Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 even the BBC pundits admit they first thought it was a clear penalty, it takes about five slow motion replays to see he wasn't touched, but that doesn't mean he dived, players do fall over in a melee or moving at speed to avoid tackles. why not just say that instead of implying cheating? Don't recall hearing a whisper by the clowns of the BBC with regards to the horrendous tackle that led to Luke Shaw being carried off. I suppose that would be because he was a Saints player, but nevertheless looks like he will be laid up for two or three games at least
Turkish Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 Don't recall hearing a whisper by the clowns of the BBC with regards to the horrendous tackle that led to Luke Shaw being carried off. I suppose that would be because he was a Saints player, but nevertheless looks like he will be laid up for two or three games at least Was it? Just looked to me like an honest attempt to win a 50/50 ball and Shaw came off worst.
JustMike Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 Looks like JR just wanted to poke the ball to GR and avoid the tackle to me. He didn't roll about on the floor, appeal or even look at the ref. Not his fault it was given as a penalty. he actually looked surprised it had been given
John Smith Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 Ramirez goal against Arsenal disallowed for nothing for example. Lallana's 3 penalty shouts and getting booked for diving in one game. Apparently it was to even itself out, it did, we still get berated. IMO, it wasn't a dive, the defenders toe contacts the inside middle of jrods shin. Goes down a bit easy but the issue here was villas poor defending they drsrved to concede after that! Comical
VectisSaint Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 even the BBC pundits admit they first thought it was a clear penalty, it takes about five slow motion replays to see he wasn't touched, but that doesn't mean he dived, players do fall over in a melee or moving at speed to avoid tackles. why not just say that instead of implying cheating? This ^ Seems a lot of people cannot see the difference between a dive and simply falling over. JRod made no attempt to cheat or con the ref. No claim for a pen came from him or anyone else nearby. It was just an out and out co k up by Halsey. Annoys me when the boy line aker tries to make out J is a cheat cf wit ones like Suarez.
Professor Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 Not tripe at all. Go and do a refereeing course and then come back. Sorry Whitey. An attempted foul is also a foul but what a shame that your politeness deserted you in making you use sarcasm to correct a fellow Saints' fan. It remains my opinion that the ref gave the penalty for the dive, not J-Rod, but the GK's dive on Puncheon.
redder freak Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 Isn't it a penalty if a player attempts to kick or trip an opponent, in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force? Does there have to be contact? see http://www.canyouplayfootball.com/rulesoffootball/fouls.aspx
Whitey Grandad Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 Sorry Whitey. An attempted foul is also a foul but what a shame that your politeness deserted you in making you use sarcasm to correct a fellow Saints' fan. It remains my opinion that the ref gave the penalty for the dive, not J-Rod, but the GK's dive on Puncheon. Please forgive my terse reply which was prompted by the word 'tripe' used by someone who appears not to know the details of the Laws of the Game. In truth, we can only guess what motives were behind J-Rod's actions and what prompted Halsey's decision.
Whitey Grandad Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 Isn't it a penalty if a player attempts to kick or trip an opponent, in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force? Does there have to be contact? see http://www.canyouplayfootball.com/rulesoffootball/fouls.aspx Indeed it is, and there does not need to be contact for it to be a foul, nor does contact necessarily make it a foul.
Window Cleaner Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 I see the ref in the Arse-Citeh game has finally decided that enough is enough for the bouts of Sumo wrestling that go on at every corner and free kick in every game of football. Good job. Jose will have to watch that if it's being clamped down on.
Thedelldays Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 I see the ref in the Arse-Citeh game has finally decided that enough is enough for the bouts of Sumo wrestling that go on at every corner and free kick in every game of football. Good job. Jose will have to watch that if it's being clamped down on. you watch the media/arsenal fans/wenger moan about it...despite all the calls asking for this sort of reffing he has ref'd this game excellently IMO
ottery st mary Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 I see the ref in the Arse-Citeh game has finally decided that enough is enough for the bouts of Sumo wrestling that go on at every corner and free kick in every game of football. Good job. Jose will have to watch that if it's being clamped down on. Stoke City will not know what to do now.......Take up Rugby...By far the best team at all in wrestling in the penalty area..
Window Cleaner Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 I've watched the video replay several times and ..as I see it...he didn't dive. Everything happens here in a split second, Rodrigues loses the ball and it rebounds into space, Puncheon goes after it and IMO is fouled by the keeper who spills the ball and Rodrigues (being nearest) goes for the loose ball....the Villa defender made a clumsy lunge with his leg ....which JayRod tried to avoid, lost his balance and fell - I don't see any physical contact - but as soon as Jay Rod gets up his expression, words and body language say ..I didn't dive. At this point.the ref. blows .and awards the penalty. IF the ref. misjudged the situation, or found grounds for a penalty after us advantage after the keeper lost the ball and JayRod was nearest..only he knows, it was his decision. IF anything I think the keeper was guilty of a foul (penalty offence) on Puncheon, but I really can't see that JayRod dived ..(reasons above) plus ...he didn't apppeal for penalty either. It probably wouldn't have been seen as so controversial ......if it hadn't been the only goal in the game. It might may /may not have been be a penalty (according to the book ) but I don't think that JayRod dived, and it's unfair to brand him a cheat, especially when there are so many other well-known " actors " in the Prem. who get away with it every time. I've looked at the stills of the Guzman/Puncheon incident again and you can see from 2 successive ones that Guzman has brought his knee up to stop Punch's forward progress. That's a penalty.
charliegeorgesflymo Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 I hate the BBC - they are whinging, leftie, communist leaning pessimists determined to bring the country down. Which would make them Villa fans, I suppose... This
charliegeorgesflymo Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 Good spot - I saw that too - what I would say about Rodrigues is that it's almost a flinch - thinks he's going to get hit hard and his body reacts accordingly.
St_Tel49 Posted 13 January, 2013 Posted 13 January, 2013 Behave yourself. Blatant dive. Embarrassing. That's all. That settles it dan17 has spoken
Mr X Posted 14 January, 2013 Posted 14 January, 2013 loads of people on here said it was a blatant dive and it bloody well was there was zero contact yet when a reporter says it were up in arms
DrZuess1979 the 2nd Posted 14 January, 2013 Posted 14 January, 2013 loads of people on here said it was a blatant dive and it bloody well was there was zero contact yet when a reporter says it were up in arms The point is , if Ashley young had done it would he have used the same description? And secondly has JRod rolled around on the floor or jumped in the refs face asking for a pen, No Imo he played the ball to GR, then tried to move out of the way From the refs angle the challenge on JP looks 70/30 a pen
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