The Kraken Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 This from the person who was rigidly questioning me because my opinion was different from his!! Its called a message board, for opinions! I gave mine and asked yours, strike me down!! I asked (twice) what reason you thought it was that Rodriguez fell to the ground if it wasn't a dive. I didn't notice an answer, by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 Is that a shove on Rodriquez by the defender...? well spotted..... But ref gave it for foul on Puncheon...or is that not confirmed.. Jay Rod did NOT play for a penalty.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 Is that a shove on Rodriquez by the defender...? Some are saying Jay Rod was also pushed from behind? by the other defender? Possibly why Jay Rod appears to veer to the left... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 Its called a message board, for opinions! I gave mine and asked yours, strike me down!! I asked (twice) what reason you thought it was that Rodriguez fell to the ground if it wasn't a dive. I didn't notice an answer, by the way. And my OPINION is that he did not dive. Why do I have to justify my OPINION to you?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 Jay Rod did NOT play for a penalty.. Putting it in CAPITAL letters doesn't mean you're right. I suppose his falling over thin air was to try and win a throw in was it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 And my OPINION is that he did not dive. Why do I have to justify my OPINION to you?? You don't. I just thought it was a simple question to ask. If Rodriguez didn't dive, why do you think he ended up on the ground? Like I said earlier, if you don't want to answer that simple question, that's fine. You don't have to justify anything to anyone. Its just a bit easier when you do, when discussing things on an internet forum so that people can see what you do think. It kind of encourages discussion, really. But never mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 Putting it in CAPITAL letters doesn't mean you're right. I suppose his falling over thin air was to try and win a throw in was it? Photographs now showing....HE WAS PUSHED AND SHOVED TO THE GROUND... yes i am right on this incident but not sure re the gk on puncheon...ALTHOUGH I THINK THE GK TAKES PUNCHEON BEFORE THE CONTACT WITH THE BALL.. REFEREE HALSEY GAVE A PENALTY AS WELL SO HE MAKES ME RIGHT ABOUT SOMETHING... HERE ARE SOME PICTURES FOR YOU..:p:p:p i MIGHT BE WRONG BUT THE REF IS NEVER WRONG;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 You don't. I just thought it was a simple question to ask. If Rodriguez didn't dive, why do you think he ended up on the ground? Like I said earlier, if you don't want to answer that simple question, that's fine. You don't have to justify anything to anyone. Its just a bit easier when you do, when discussing things on an internet forum so that people can see what you do think. It kind of encourages discussion, really. But never mind. OK. You think that he dived, I think that he didn`t. Why do you think that he did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 Photographs now showing....HE WAS PUSHED AND SHOVED TO THE GROUND... yes i am right on this incident but not sure re the gk on puncheon...ALTHOUGH I THINK THE GK TAKES PUNCHEON BEFORE THE CONTACT WITH THE BALL.. REFEREE HALSEY GAVE A PENALTY AS WELL SO HE MAKES ME RIGHT ABOUT SOMETHING... HERE ARE SOME PICTURES FOR YOU..:p:p:p i MIGHT BE WRONG BUT THE REF IS NEVER WRONG;) Lol. But you are entirely wrong, it was a dive. And I'm currently drinking to the three points it earned. Ps, doing block capitals on an iPad is tediously slow so can we give it a rest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 OK. You think that he dived, I think that he didn`t. Why do you think that he did? Probably because he fell over thin air? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 Will do my friend:d:d:d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 I think that Saints are at the top of (or very close to) the fair play league ! Unlike most managers Nigel never criticises refs when things go against him so it's surely fair that he keeps his counsel when the reverse happens ? I don't imagine that our players are coached to cheat and when incidents like this (occasionally) happen we have to put it down to experience ! I'm equally sure that Nigel will have a word with him to ensure that it does not become the norm ! There will no doubt be a negative analysis on MoTD and JRod will be castigated but this will be short lived and we will all move on to the next controversy which will be waiting just around the corner !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 OK. You think that he dived, I think that he didn`t. Why do you think that he did? I think he dived to try and make it look like he'd been fouled and to win a penalty. After he touched the ball past the defender his natural instinct was not to try to carry on, to hurdle the challenge while trying to run onto the ball. It was to swing his leg back and drop theatrically to the floor (he didn't stumble or knock himself off balance, just fell to the ground), where he remained completely prostrate for a few seconds instead of trying to get up and carry on after realising he hadn't been touched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan17 Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 OK. You think that he dived, I think that he didn`t. Why do you think that he did? Have you seen the footage? Genuine question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 Have you seen the footage? Genuine question. I watched the live stream and the countles replays. None of the commentators suggested that JRod dived. They just said that there was no contact, which was correct, and that the ref had got it wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan17 Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 So, in your opinion, he went down to avoid the tackle/getting injured. Is that a fair assumption? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 Dived or not , who gives a f uck girls, it happens all the time and as it got us 3 valuable points i really don't care, who will remember that come may? jesus who pulled your tampon strings tonight? i bet there's not this much fuss when such decisions go against us, strange breed on here But..Rameriz got out of jail with the penalty award, his little dink towards an open goal that failed completely would have been the main topic on here if it wasn't for the pen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 So, in your opinion, he went down to avoid the tackle/getting injured. Is that a fair assumption? Possibly. I think that it was one of those situations that if it had happened anywhere else on the pitch wouldn`t have resulted in any decision from the ref. I think that JRod and the defender just came together and it ended up with JRod on the floor. It was the ref that ballsed up but JRod seems to be getting it in the neck as a cheater which I think is unfair. If it was a blatant dive I would condemn it straight away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 Dived or not , who gives a f uck girls, it happens all the time and as it got us 3 valuable points i really don't care, who will remember that come may? jesus who pulled your tampon strings tonight? i bet there's not this much fuss when such decisions go against us, strange breed on here But..Rameriz got out of jail with the penalty award, his little dink towards an open goal that failed completely would have been the main topic on here if it wasn't for the pen. Ha yeah, i noticed that as well. Terrible effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan17 Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 Possibly. I think that it was one of those situations that if it had happened anywhere else on the pitch wouldn`t have resulted in any decision from the ref. I think that JRod and the defender just came together and it ended up with JRod on the floor. It was the ref that ballsed up but JRod seems to be getting it in the neck as a cheater which I think is unfair. If it was a blatant dive I would condemn it straight away. But JRod and the defender did NOT come together.......there was about two feet of space between them. You sure you've seen the replays?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPTCount Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 seen it live, and all the replays. amazing, it's a foul even if theres no contact, if head left his foot in it cud have been bad, and he doesn't look for it, compared with some of the lying down rolling around I've seen this year it s nice our players dont try n con the ref. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 But JRod and the defender did NOT come together.......there was about two feet of space between them. You sure you've seen the replays?? No you are quite right. I am wrong and my opinion counts for nothing. I have had enough of trying to justify my OPINION! Enjoy the rest of the week-end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan17 Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 No you are quite right. I am wrong and my opinion counts for nothing. I have had enough of trying to justify my OPINION! Enjoy the rest of the week-end. Ah come on mate. Of course you are entitled to your opinion. I am just staggered that you have come to this conclusion. I am genuinely interested to know how you have seen something so different to what I have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 Ah come on mate. Of course you are entitled to your opinion. I am just staggered that you have come to this conclusion. I am genuinely interested to know how you have seen something so different to what I have. "I am genuinely interested to know how you have seen something so different to what I have." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 Stonewall penalty and a straight red...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 Stonewall penalty and a straight red...... I think both feet were up under Jay Rods chin.. AND the elbows...clear pen:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 No you are quite right. I am wrong and my opinion counts for nothing. I have had enough of trying to justify my OPINION! Enjoy the rest of the week-end. With respect (and I'll leave it here as despite asking me to clarify my position, you quite clearly don't want to do the same despite being repeatedly asked); what you have done is consistently stated your opinion, but not justified it. Its your opinion and you're welcome to it; it would just have been nice to know how and why you came to that opinion. Why you felt Rodriguez came to end up on the floor (a slip? a stumble? getting out of the way? fell over?) other than a "coming together with the defender" of which there was clearly no contact. Very strange, but never mind. You don't think it was a dive, that'll do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 With respect (and I'll leave it here as despite asking me to clarify my position, you quite clearly don't want to do the same despite being repeatedly asked); what you have done is consistently stated your opinion, but not justified it. Its your opinion and you're welcome to it; it would just have been nice to know how and why you came to that opinion. Why you felt Rodriguez came to end up on the floor (a slip? a stumble? getting out of the way? fell over?) other than a "coming together with the defender" of which there was clearly no contact. Very strange, but never mind. You don't think it was a dive, that'll do. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 Diving is part of the game now unfortunately, and whilst I do not agree with it, many other teams benefit from it so why shouldnt we Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 Alan Hansen: "It was a dive, no doubt about it". Lineker calling it a dive. Shearer too. BBC bias Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 Not a pen, not a dive, Jrod as surprised as anyone that pen was given. Bad mistake by Halsey, but who gives a flying ****. Even Hansen admitted we deserved win. For once we got a decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 Not at all surprising to see Paul Lambert complaining about the bad decision. If I was him I would be far more concerned about his centre backs putting in such rash tackles. Watching it again, whether J-Rod dived or was just pulling his foot out of the way is kind of irrelevant... The tackle from the defender was nowhere near the ball and had J-Rod not reacted to it then it would have been an absolute stonewall penalty, as he would have been in a potential goalscoring position. It's entirely possible that's why the ref gave it in fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 After all the replays, it still looks to me like J Rod pulled his leg away from a legbreaker. How the ref calls it is up to the ref. If J Rod had kept his foot in to avoid being accused of diving and got himself injured, would we all feel better about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 It is weird as his foot even moves in the right direction, but not one of the saints players were asking for a pen! Very strange, but jrod did go sprawling for no reason! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 If the roles were reversed and Villa had been given a penalty for something like that and won the match as a consequence, I would be livid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 Having looked at it several times it is a dive, he pulls his leg away and goes down. However, he'd also knocked the ball past the defender and if he doesn't pull his leg away there will be contact and it would have been a pen. The defender isn't getting the ball, If Rodriguez doesn't pull his leg away he gets caught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 Having looked at it several times it is a dive, he pulls his leg away and goes down. However, he'd also knocked the ball past the defender and if he doesn't pull his leg away there will be contact and it would have been a pen. The defender isn't getting the ball, If Rodriguez doesn't pull his leg away he gets caught. Agreed. I can accept the argument that he saw the challenge coming and pulled his leg away as a consequence. I can't accept that moving his right leg away caused him to hit the ground in the manner that he did; from the gif above you can clearly see that both legs totally give way and he throws himself to the ground. If he genuinely pulled away his leg and lost balance, his left leg would have at least tried to stumble on. He didn't, he chose to fall to the ground and its therefore a dive. No mention of the pen being given for the first challenge on MOTD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 Agreed. I can accept the argument that he saw the challenge coming and pulled his leg away as a consequence. I can't accept that moving his right leg away caused him to hit the ground in the manner that he did; from the gif above you can clearly see that both legs totally give way and he throws himself to the ground. If he genuinely pulled away his leg and lost balance, his left leg would have at least tried to stumble on. He didn't, he chose to fall to the ground and its therefore a dive. No mention of the pen given for the first challenge on MOTD. That wasn't a pen either, Guzan got the ball first. It was strange, 606 said that the info they had from the ref was it was given for the 'foul' on Rodriguez. Then Halsey said it was for the 'foul' on Puncheon according to twitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 Having looked at it several times it is a dive, he pulls his leg away and goes down. However, he'd also knocked the ball past the defender and if he doesn't pull his leg away there will be contact and it would have been a pen. The defender isn't getting the ball, If Rodriguez doesn't pull his leg away he gets caught. And the more I look at it the worse it could have been if he hadnt pulled away from it, the defender was flying in. I honestly cant see how Rodriguez can be criticised for that one, it had to be instinctive self-preservation imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 I thought he was off balance after the tangle(50/50) with the first fella and was on a quick path to the deck, pulled up to avoid committing a foul with the second and thought the Ref had blown at him initially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 And the more I look at it the worse it could have been if he hadnt pulled away from it, the defender was flying in. I honestly cant see how Rodriguez can be criticised for that one, it had to be instinctive self-preservation imho. Looking at the gif above of it (post #180) how would you answer these two questions: 1) After JRod has pulled his leg away, do you think he could have placed it on the ground rather than continuing to move it backwards and then falling over forwards? 2) Do you think the movement of pulling his right leg away also caused his left leg to lose all power in it and therefore be unable to make a step with that one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 Looking at the gif above of it (post #180) how would you answer these two questions: 1) After JRod has pulled his leg away, do you think he could have placed it on the ground rather than continuing to move it backwards and then falling over forwards? 2) Do you think the movement of pulling his right leg away also caused his left leg to lose all power in it and therefore be unable to make a step with that one? In this case the left leg doesn't matter. Merely having to take avoiding action with the right can be considered enough for a foul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 In this case the left leg doesn't matter. Merely having to take avoiding action with the right can be considered enough for a foul. I'm not talking about in the context of whether it was a penalty or not. I'm just wondering if scotty (and others) think that the action of Rodriguez moving his right leg to avoid contact was enough to make him lose all balance and send him to the floor without being able to take one more step with either foot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 I'm not talking about in the context of whether it was a penalty or not. I'm just wondering if scotty (and others) think that the action of Rodriguez moving his right leg to avoid contact was enough to make him lose all balance and send him to the floor without being able to take one more step with either foot. Fair enough. It just looked like self-preservation to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 And the more I look at it the worse it could have been if he hadnt pulled away from it, the defender was flying in. I honestly cant see how Rodriguez can be criticised for that one, it had to be instinctive self-preservation imho. I don't understand this point of view. There was no fast sliding lunge for the ball. If that was the case then you could understand it. But they were at very slow pace and the guy just tried to get a toe poke in from a standing position. No different from nearly every tackle you see everywhere else on the pitch. Football is a contact sport... It was a clear dive. His movement was not natural and there was no danger to him. If he thinks there was then he needs to quit football for his own safety. Puncheon getting taken out by the keeper was far more dangerous and that was good keeping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 Fair enough. It just looked like self-preservation to me. Indeed, there's maybe an element of that. I'm just interested to see if people think that, after initially pulling his leg away, Rodriguez really was so off balance that he was unable to plant either foot onto the turf to try to stay on his feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 We are all biased when it comes to Southampton but that was not a penalty, at best Rodriguez pre empted the challenge and got out of the way but why he fell to the floor is only for him to explain, happy so happy with the points but he should explain exactly what he was trying to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 Agreed. I can accept the argument that he saw the challenge coming and pulled his leg away as a consequence. I can't accept that moving his right leg away caused him to hit the ground in the manner that he did; from the gif above you can clearly see that both legs totally give way and he throws himself to the ground. If he genuinely pulled away his leg and lost balance, his left leg would have at least tried to stumble on. He didn't, he chose to fall to the ground and its therefore a dive. No mention of the pen being given for the first challenge on MOTD. Again, depends how you see it. If you look where his trailing leg is when he plays the ball, he can't jump forward out of the tackle because he's already at full stretch. The only way to move his right foot out of the way of the tackle is backwards, and given the position of his other foot (almost on tiptoe) it's no surprise he went over like a sack of potatoes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 13 January, 2013 Share Posted 13 January, 2013 Again, depends how you see it. If you look where his trailing leg is when he plays the ball, he can't jump forward out of the tackle because he's already at full stretch. The only way to move his right foot out of the way of the tackle is backwards, and given the position of his other foot (almost on tiptoe) it's no surprise he went over like a sack of potatoes. So you think he was so off balance that he had no chance in trying to plant either foot on the turf? Fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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