Wes Tender Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 Watched it several times now......not convinced he was trying to con the ref - he saw the tackle coming and pulled his leg out of the way which as his weight was not centered on the other foot caused him to go down. For me, Jay Rod's reaction at the penalty award is telling. He looks totally confused, so he must be a very good actor if he can hide his delight at 'conning' the ref. So simple mistake by Mark Halsey, 3 points and can sleep easy tonight. Having now watched it myself several times, I can well see that it can easily be seen as a dive, as there was no contact. But because I'm naturally biased in favour of our player and he doesn't have a reputation for diving (although he will begin to get one now), I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt and go along with this explanation. I'd certainly feel aggrieved if I were a Villa fan, but as I'm not, frankly I couldn't give a damn.
ottery st mary Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 (edited) :pWell done Mark Halsey....Top ref:) Penalty GK on Punch:) Clear Penalty Watched the replay several times since........Halse 100% correct....First time by a ref against Saints this season:rolleyes: Edited 12 January, 2013 by ottery st mary
The Kraken Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 BBC Radio Solent are led to understand (I guess from talking to the officials) the penalty was for the foul on Puncheon by Guzan. The referee played advantage to see if Saints would score, the Rodriguez "incident" then happened, Saints hadn't scored so he brought it back for the original foul and gave a penalty. Interesting. At the time I thought the pen was for that, but it seemed ok from the replay. MOTD will be worth the watch later on.
tedmaul Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 BBC Radio Solent are led to understand (I guess from talking to the officials) the penalty was for the foul on Puncheon by Guzan. The referee played advantage to see if Saints would score, the Rodriguez "incident" then happened, Saints hadn't scored so he brought it back for the original foul and gave a penalty. 5 live (606) just contradicted that
CanadaSaint Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 I thought Guzan was first to the ball and got the ball.
the stain Posted 12 January, 2013 Author Posted 12 January, 2013 Adkins says something about the ref saying it was for the Puncheon foul, in his SSN interview, but then goes on to dismiss that and talk about Rodriguez.
Hokie Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5x18vCdoNg (for however long they leave it up) As others have said, looks like both "no foul" and "no dive". He went to ground but wasn't selling a foul. I agree its likely he pulled his right foot away to avoid the tackle after he had played the ball, which caused him to fall. (If that was a dive Adam needs to take him aside and teach him how to jump and arch the back, then roll on the ground after.) On the other side, Villa was somewhat lucky to end the match with 11 men after the fouls on Ramirez and Yoshi.
CanadaSaint Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 On the other side, Villa was somewhat lucky to end the match with 11 men after the fouls on Ramirez and Yoshi. The 'tackle' on Ramirez was a borderline straight-red (over the ball, studs up, knee high) but Halsey didn't even pull out a yellow. The fact that the ball was arguably out of play is irrelevant when it comes to potential leg-breakers like that.
Sheaf Saint Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 The 'tackle' on Ramirez was a borderline straight-red (over the ball, studs up, knee high) but Halsey didn't even pull out a yellow. The fact that the ball was arguably out of play is irrelevant when it comes to potential leg-breakers like that. There was another really nasty-looking one on Cork right near the end, but because he didn't go down and just got on with it, the ref didn't even give the free kick despite being right in front of it when it happened.
Dangermouth Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 No way was JR 'diving' to get a pen; the man came from behind another one - he was obviously just trying to avoid being clobbered. The fact is, had he left his foot there he very likely could have had a bad injury and it would have been a penalty because the AV player kicked him and he had taken the ball away. So actually I think the ref got it right, even if his reasons were wrong.
Turkish Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 Interesting. At the time I thought the pen was for that, but it seemed ok from the replay. MOTD will be worth the watch later on. 5 live confirmed that the info they have from the ref is that it was for the foul on Rodriguez.
trousers Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 If he deliberately dived to try and con the referee then why can he be seen afterwards saying to the ref "He didn't touch me" and looking quite embarrassed that it's been given? For me there is a clear distinction here from the kind of cynical playacting you expect from somebody like Suarez for example. ^ This
UpweySaint Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 Even my Villa supporting mate agreed, it was not a dive. Rodriguez loses his footing under a challenge and did not make ANY attempt to appeal or claim it as a penalty. I don't think it was a penalty either but today, unlike other days, we got the rub of the green so I figure we should take it with good grace and accept that next week it may well be us who are on the end of a dodgy decision (Turnbull's handball in the Chelsea game anybody?) ...
Jimbo Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 Don't be so quick to criticise you bunch of bed wetters, would you hear manure or liverpool or any other supporters moan about getting 3 points by foul means. ffs man up! Agreed. Won't be crying about it if we stay up by a point, that's for certain"
trousers Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 Even my Villa supporting mate agreed, it was not a dive. That can't be right. The forum thought police have decreed only biased Saints fans would think it was anything other than a blatant penalty seeking dive.
miserableoldgit Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 That can't be right. The forum thought police have decreed only biased Saints fans would think it was anything other than a blatant penalty seeking dive. This^ Sent from my HTC Desire S using Tapatalk 2
The Kraken Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 That can't be right. The forum thought police have decreed only biased Saints fans would think it was anything other than a blatant penalty seeking dive. When you say "forum thought police", do you actually mean "DellDays"?
the stain Posted 12 January, 2013 Author Posted 12 January, 2013 That can't be right. The forum thought police have decreed only biased Saints fans would think it was anything other than a blatant penalty seeking dive. A forum is for discussion. However it's is not for shouting down, as you seem to be doing.
Saints Warrior Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 Big clubs do it all the time and get the results they need vs small clubs so time for tables to turn
trousers Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 A forum is for discussion. However it's is not for shouting down, as you seem to be doing. Cheers. Didn't realise.
OldNick Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 I get no pleasure from any saints player cheating /diving. I don't thin J rod did either today
Saints foreva Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 It's about time we got a little luck with poor referring considering we've been on the end of plenty this season, such as: Disallowed goal vs Fulham at home, which would have put us 2-0 up. Their keeper was never fouled. Penalty denied vs Swansea. Ramirez disallowed goal vs Arsenal. It's not something I like to see but Villa fans wouldn't have cared if it was Benteke diving to win a penalty if it meant they got the three points.
tedmaul Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 I get no pleasure from any saints player cheating /diving. I don't thin J rod did either today He dived, probably an instinctual decision as he saw the player lunging into a tackle and faked a reaction. It happens and we were lucky today.
OldNick Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 He dived, probably an instinctual decision as he saw the player lunging into a tackle and faked a reaction. It happens and we were lucky today.i don't think he dived as in cheating
Lazlo78 Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 Bad publicity for Saints: http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/cheat-jay-rodriguez-is-the-premier-leagues-latest-shameful-diver-as-aston-villa-lose-to-southampton/
Whitey Grandad Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 No way was JR 'diving' to get a pen; the man came from behind another one - he was obviously just trying to avoid being clobbered. The fact is, had he left his foot there he very likely could have had a bad injury and it would have been a penalty because the AV player kicked him and he had taken the ball away. So actually I think the ref got it right, even if his reasons were wrong. The wording of the relevant law is 'trip, or attempt to trip'
tedmaul Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 We can rule out the fact he was physically knocked off his feet as there's clearly no contact. He may have been unbalanced by anticipating a lunging tackle by falling over to avoid it. Or as most likely and most players are coached to, made it look like a foul.
The Kraken Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 The wording of the relevant law is 'trip, or attempt to trip' In which case I don't think the defender did either of those. He attempted (unsuccessfully) to play the ball; I don't particularly think he attempted to trip Rodriguez.
miserableoldgit Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 I cannot believe that we are trying to crucify JRod for a split-second moment that got us three points against a relegation rival. My opinion is that it was not a dive. Others may disagree but how self-righteous are some on here? Sent from my HTC Desire S using Tapatalk 2
The Kraken Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 I cannot believe that we are trying to crucify JRod for a split-second moment that got us three points against a relegation rival. My opinion is that it was not a dive. Others may disagree but how self-righteous are some on here? Sent from my HTC Desire S using Tapatalk 2 No-one is trying to crucify him, get a grip. Just pointing out that he won a penalty by diving/exaggerating a challenge; it happens all the time in football, so its a bit hypocritical to condemn others for it yet brush it under the carpet when we think one of our own players does it.
Turkish Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 Halsey now saying it was for the foul on Puncheon!!!
miserableoldgit Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 No-one is trying to crucify him, get a grip. Just pointing out that he won a penalty by diving/exaggerating a challenge; it happens all the time in football, so its a bit hypocritical to condemn others for it yet brush it under the carpet when we think one of our own players does it. "It happens all the time in football". So why threads and posts condemning him if he was doing what is the norm? Sent from my HTC Desire S using Tapatalk 2
RonManager Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 No-one is trying to crucify him, get a grip. I am, I've strapped the fecker bolock naked onto a cross and I'm breaking open a packet of Screwfix's best 6" nails. This is going to be fun.
The Kraken Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 "It happens all the time in football". So why threads and posts condemning him if he was doing what is the norm? Sent from my HTC Desire S using Tapatalk 2 Because when it happens with other players it also gets condemned. Do I really have to explain that? Diving = bad, whoever does it. This is one thread devoted to a game today where we won by a controversial penalty. I don't think there's a "get Rodriguez out of football" campaign on the back of it, if I'm honest.
Professor Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 Adkins' comments on the dive are that he condones cheating on the grounds (1) that in other games there were fouls for which a free kick was not awarded, and (2) that although there was no contact there would have been if J-Rod had not moved his leg out of the way. New concept that, non-contact fouls! No wonder that cheating is so rife in the game with this attitude by managers, because you can guarantee that Adkins is not alone in failing to condemn cheating as long as its by his team's players. Football is seriously sick.
ottery st mary Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 Adkins' comments on the dive are that he condones cheating on the grounds (1) that in other games there were fouls for which a free kick was not awarded, and (2) that although there was no contact there would have been if J-Rod had not moved his leg out of the way. New concept that, non-contact fouls! No wonder that cheating is so rife in the game with this attitude by managers, because you can guarantee that Adkins is not alone in failing to condemn cheating as long as its by his team's players. Football is seriously sick. But Jay Rod DID NOT CHEAT.....FFS
miserableoldgit Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 But Jay Rod DID NOT CHEAT.....FFS The forum police have spoken....he did. Sent from my HTC Desire S using Tapatalk 2
dan17 Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 They said on talksport that Adkins had said that neither challenges were fouls and that we were lucky to get the pen....?? Haven't heard anything first hand so apologies if this is not correct.
ottery st mary Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 Jay Rod did not cheat.... Suggest peeps watch the film more closely...
supersonic Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 If Halsey did give it for the incident between Guzan and Puncheon, it's another shocker he's had, Guzan clearly gets the ball
trousers Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 i don't think he dived as in cheating Indeed....snooker analogy.... Rodriguez did the equivalent of nudging a ball with his sleeve which the referee didn't see. People are comparing that with a player intentionally moving a ball with their hand whilst the referee wasn't looking.
The Kraken Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 The forum police have spoken....he did. Sent from my HTC Desire S using Tapatalk 2 Jesus, how paranoid do you have to be to think that someone who holds a different view to your own is "the forum police" or other such ludicrous terms? You don't think he dived; fine. Others do; also fine. Most odd.
trousers Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 Jesus, how paranoid do you have to be to think that someone who holds a different view to your own is "the forum police" or other such ludicrous terms? You don't think he dived; fine. Others do; also fine. Most odd. And some people think that those who didn't think he "cheated" are bonkers...
miserableoldgit Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 Jesus, how paranoid do you have to be to think that someone who holds a different view to your own is "the forum police" or other such ludicrous terms? You don't think he dived; fine. Others do; also fine. Most odd. This from the person who was rigidly questioning me because my opinion was different from his!!
Chewy Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 Jay Rod did not cheat.... Suggest peeps watch the film more closely... I've watched it, and its a dive pure and simple. The notion that he was trying to avoid some horrific injury is ridiculous, the challenge was hardly forceful. A small movement towards the ball by the defender followed by j-rod falling over thin air ... In other words a dive.
trousers Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 Is that a shove on Rodriquez by the defender...?
dan17 Posted 12 January, 2013 Posted 12 January, 2013 I've watched it, and its a dive pure and simple. The notion that he was trying to avoid some horrific injury is ridiculous, the challenge was hardly forceful. A small movement towards the ball by the defender followed by j-rod falling over thin air ... In other words a dive. Correct.
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