capitalsaint Posted 8 March, 2013 Share Posted 8 March, 2013 Not sure if this has been mentioned elsewhere as I can't be arsed to look but MP said in his press conference that he went for dinner with RDM after the QPR game. He also said to ask Nicola if he will get a job, then raised a smile. Seems on the cards Did seem a bit odd. Perhaps it is the chairman equivalent of sending the subs to warm up during a match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 8 March, 2013 Share Posted 8 March, 2013 Pochettino/Di Matteo management dream team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 8 March, 2013 Share Posted 8 March, 2013 The fact that he did it with someone elses teams makes it more of an achievement, not less. No it doesn't. Far harder to actually build a team than take an already established one over. Say Fergie was hospitalised and out of action from Christmas but they win the league anyway - would that make Mike Phelan a wonder manager? Not really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 8 March, 2013 Share Posted 8 March, 2013 Pochettino/Di Matteo management dream team? Interesting thought. Ready replacement if Poch or the club feels they are not going forward quickly enough. I wouldn't say no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 8 March, 2013 Share Posted 8 March, 2013 Interesting discussion on Sky sports earlier. One of the journalists is claiming that Pinocchio is indeed just temporary and will be replaced in the summer. One of he other journalist asked if thats why he (poch) hasnt bovered learning English and the other journo said yes. Said NC and Nigel working relationship broke down and that was that I thought it was Radio 5 you listened to 24 hours a day...? Give me the time of the aforementioned Sky discussion and I'll get MLG rummaging through the archives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 8 March, 2013 Share Posted 8 March, 2013 No smoke without fire? I thought MP was friendly with RDM anyway so perhaps he was a guest of MP's? Di Matteo would be an outstanding appointment, but my feeling is he is working in an unofficial consultative manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 8 March, 2013 Share Posted 8 March, 2013 I thought it was Radio 5 you listened to 24 hours a day...? Give me the time of the aforementioned Sky discussion and I'll get MLG rummaging through the archives Last weekend, a number of SWF posters also watched Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 8 March, 2013 Share Posted 8 March, 2013 Pochettino didn't understandw here it was going at first. Then he went "no no no!" and looked as if he had clocked onto what was said. Saying "lets not run away with it". They had a meal and that's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 8 March, 2013 Share Posted 8 March, 2013 No it doesn't. Far harder to actually build a team than take an already established one over. Say Fergie was hospitalised and out of action from Christmas but they win the league anyway - would that make Mike Phelan a wonder manager? Not really. Barcelona case in point. However, some managers can get more out of the same players... or organise them better, etc.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 8 March, 2013 Share Posted 8 March, 2013 It would make no sense to appoint MP short term. He had other job offers, so I reckon this is a case of 2+2=5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 8 March, 2013 Share Posted 8 March, 2013 (edited) It would make no sense to appoint MP short term. He had other job offers, so I reckon this is a case of 2+2=5. What job offers did he have? Another Pinocchio myth? Edited 8 March, 2013 by Glasgow_Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 8 March, 2013 Share Posted 8 March, 2013 Barcelona case in point. However, some managers can get more out of the same players... or organise them better, etc.. There is no comparison between di Matteo and Phelan/Barca. di Matteo came into the club without having worked with the players or systems, which is much different to the barca situation (and the Phelan example above). I can't think of a manager in recent times who has come in from the outside and improved the performances and results of the existing team more successfully than di Matteo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 8 March, 2013 Share Posted 8 March, 2013 There is no comparison between di Matteo and Phelan/Barca. di Matteo came into the club without having worked with the players or systems, which is much different to the barca situation (and the Phelan example above). I can't think of a manager in recent times who has come in from the outside and improved the performances and results of the existing team more successfully than di Matteo. True, not disagreeing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 8 March, 2013 Share Posted 8 March, 2013 What job offers did he have? Another Pinocchio myth? Yes, he lies about everything..... boring f*cker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitalsaint Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 There is no comparison between di Matteo and Phelan/Barca. di Matteo came into the club without having worked with the players or systems, which is much different to the barca situation (and the Phelan example above). I can't think of a manager in recent times who has come in from the outside and improved the performances and results of the existing team more successfully than di Matteo. But there aren't many cases where most of the team hated the previous manager so vehemently. The moment AVB left the performances of Lampard, Terry etc were bound to improve irrespective of the next manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 There is no comparison between di Matteo and Phelan/Barca. di Matteo came into the club without having worked with the players or systems, which is much different to the barca situation (and the Phelan example above). I can't think of a manager in recent times who has come in from the outside and improved the performances and results of the existing team more successfully than di Matteo. Chelsea get through so many managers it is fair to assume that the core of that squad are more than capable of managing themselves. Di Matteo did not build a CL finalist team, just like Uncle Avram didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 Di Matteo did not build a CL finalist team. That's my point. He inherited a bunch of egocentrics. He took that bunch, got them motivated, got their respect, got them playing and winning. I'm not sure what more you could ask of a manager and how you can see a negative in what he did at Chelsea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 That's my point. He inherited a bunch of egocentrics. He took that bunch, got them motivated, got their respect, got them playing and winning. I'm not sure what more you could ask of a manager and how you can see a negative in what he did at Chelsea. RDM did well. He won the Champions League with a team well used to winning trophies and getting to the Champions League final. I'm not seeing much wrong with it. But he didn't build that team. He did well but doesn't convince me that he is some genius manager. Not sure he'd do any better at Saints than Nige or this current bloke. I'll assume you don't see any negatives in Avram Grant who was a penalty or two away from the same trophy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 That's my point. He inherited a bunch of egocentrics. He took that bunch, got them motivated, got their respect, got them playing and winning. I'm not sure what more you could ask of a manager and how you can see a negative in what he did at Chelsea. Their league form was no better than under AVB so in the most part he didn't get them winning in relation to their usual standards over the last decade. Two very lucky wins in the champions league semi and final where they were completely out played glossed over this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 Their league form was no better than under AVB so in the most part he didn't get them winning in relation to their usual standards over the last decade. Two very lucky wins in the champions league semi and final where they were completely out played glossed over this Ha! So his success was down to luck, and nothing to do with his picking a system and side that did a job? I'm not going to be persuaded that a complete outsider guiding someone elses team to champions league success is anything other than a complete success. We'll have to agree to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 Ha! So his success was down to luck, and nothing to do with his picking a system and side that did a job? I'm not going to be persuaded that a complete outsider guiding someone elses team to champions league success is anything other than a complete success. We'll have to agree to disagree. As has been asked; do you believe that Avram Grant's tenure at Stamford Bridge was also a complete success? He was a John Terry slip away from emulating what RDM did; yet he is seen as an utter failure of a manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 As has been asked; do you believe that Avram Grant's tenure at Stamford Bridge was also a complete success? He was a John Terry slip away from emulating what RDM did; yet he is seen as an utter failure of a manager. It's irrelevant. I couldn't care less whether grant was a success or not. This is a discussion about rdm who imo was a success at Chelsea. Are you suggesting that rdm tenure can be deemed a success if grants was, but that it must be deemed a failure if grants was? Odd - I'd rather judge rdm performance on his performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 It's irrelevant. I couldn't care less whether grant was a success or not. This is a discussion about rdm who imo was a success at Chelsea. Are you suggesting that rdm tenure can be deemed a success if grants was, but that it must be deemed a failure if grants was? Odd - I'd rather judge rdm performance on his performance. Its not irrelevant at all.. Especially when, in your own words "I'm not going to be persuaded that a complete outsider guiding someone elses team to champions league success is anything other than a complete success". That seems like a fairly generic statement to me, and also applies to Grant's tenure at Chelsea where he was a whisker away from winning the Champions League and finished second in the title race effectively with Jose Mourinho's side, yet still got sacked (and rightly so) as he wasn't deemed to be a good enough manager. Its far too simplistic to say RdM is a great manager and/or was an overwhelming success because he won the Champions League. He also finished 6th in the league, which is a huge under-performance given the players and money at his disposal. Chelsea over-performed by winning the Champions League; they also massively underperformed in the league under RdM; so in no way can his tenure be regarded as a complete success. If it were, even despite Abramovic's tendencies RdM would still be in a job there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 Its not irrelevant at all.. Especially when, in your own words "I'm not going to be persuaded that a complete outsider guiding someone elses team to champions league success is anything other than a complete success". That seems like a fairly generic statement to me, and also applies to Grant's tenure at Chelsea where he was a whisker away from winning the Champions League and finished second in the title race effectively with Jose Mourinho's side, yet still got sacked (and rightly so) as he wasn't deemed to be a good enough manager. Its far too simplistic to say RdM is a great manager and/or was an overwhelming success because he won the Champions League. He also finished 6th in the league, which is a huge under-performance given the players and money at his disposal. Chelsea over-performed by winning the Champions League; they also massively underperformed in the league under RdM; so in no way can his tenure be regarded as a complete success. If it were, even despite Abramovic's tendencies RdM would still be in a job there. I disagree. Imo Rdm was a success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 I disagree. Imo Rdm was a success. Good for you. I think he succeeded in the Champions League but like AVB before him he failed in the league. 6th place for that Chelsea side was far too low a finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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