Would Di Matteo be welcomed if appointed

[Turkish]

Correct. Which is a failure in decision making now, not a result of being in League One two years ago.

 

Not just now either.

 

De Ridder

Sharp

Fox

Hooliveld

Gazzaniga

S Davis

Lee

Rodriguez

Mayuka

 

I make that c£20m worth of player signed since L1 promotion but not good enough to get into our current L1 standard team.

[Jimbo]

His prem experience with wba wasn't that impressive and was*sacked. This was with a newly promoted side, but one that had been prem season before.

 

NA has newly promoted side, but one that was league 1 season before.

 

Why would di M do better?

 

Remember just a few months ago likes of dell days and alpine demanded NA's sacking saying we would be adrift at the bottom by new year and he was not a good manager to improve us. This suggests otherwise;

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?42219-Is-our-current-side-being-competitive-in-premier-league

 

Also Dell days moans about our expensive squad under performing. We are using a team half of whom were league 1 players.

 

The value of squad here;

 

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/premier-league/startseite/wettbewerb_GB1.html

 

Suggests NA has us over performing for squad value.

 

The last two season prove NA is excellent manager.

 

Been watching saints for long time -if offered a swap with any manager, last one who I would even need to pause to think about would be Chris. NA has been head and shoulders above WGS in my opinion (apart from interviews!)

 

The point made that last two seasons don't count is just child like. Of course can't live on past glories for years but writing it off now? Grow up!

 

Those who go, almost universally, rate him highly, sing his name and want him here for duration.

 

You won't here one pundit, ex-pro, journalist doubting his ability.

 

One of most embarrassing things heard for years as saints fan was hearing a radio discussion with a fan slagging him off...to amazement of presenters, then fans from other clubs ringing in to say how good he is!

 

Even at our lowest (before QPR away?) Benali saying he has to stay for season.

 

Been far too many wet beds thus season.

 

Enjoy the journey!!

 

Spot on.

[david in sweden]

I think that if we lose at Villa the "writing is on the wall" for NA.............. I am not anti NA, but; ask the harsh questions!!

 

Would Roberto keep us in the Prem and would he get the fans support, I am not sure!! Discuss please??

 

 

WELL ! .....we didn't lose and NA is still here, what's YOUR plan B.?

[redcoley]

I think you will find I suggested that Adkins could be sacked before the mail story broke out ! Obviously because I still wet the bed my mum wouldn't pay my 5 pound subscription so my views don't count. I must be a skate because I don't gaze at rainbows but I can assure you I'm a saints fan and I wanted to discuss the possibility of RdM taking over. Although I'm not a multiple poster I would like to take this opportunity to wish Adkins all the best. He has brought us a long way in a short time and I am eternally grateful he has led us to the promised land. For anything to evolve things must change. I don't know if the rumour I heard tonight is true but if this is the case then thanks Nigel you've done a terrific job so far. I hope the change will make Southampton FC a club that will continue to evolve and reach the destination that NC has visualised.

[pingwing]

Sorry but Nigel is FAR too good with the press to be sacked right now! His Rodriguez never dived is too good an explanation to stand by him! Great man sod Di Matteo right now!

[sidthesquid]

Not just now either.

 

De Ridder

Sharp

Fox

Hooliveld

Gazzaniga

S Davis

Lee

Rodriguez

Mayuka

 

I make that c£20m worth of player signed since L1 promotion but not good enough to get into our current L1 standard team.

 

De Ridder - probably the only one that didn't work out

Sharp, Fox & Hooliveld - all instrumental in getting us up but not quite Prem standard

Lee - who knows, injury has wrecked his time here

S Davis - only ever signed as experienced cover

Gazzaniga, Rodriguez & Mayuka - all bright young players wih an eye to the future

 

And nearer £10 mill than £20m

[CB Fry]

 

And nearer £10 mill than £20m

 

 

Sure about that? Have another look.

 

Lee, JRod and Mayuka are together more than ten alone. You saying the rest were all frees?

[Turkish]

De Ridder - probably the only one that didn't work out

Sharp, Fox & Hooliveld - all instrumental in getting us up but not quite Prem standard

Lee - who knows, injury has wrecked his time here

S Davis - only ever signed as experienced cover

Gazzaniga, Rodriguez & Mayuka - all bright young players wih an eye to the future

 

And nearer £10 mill than £20m

 

The point being, quite clearly, that people are claiming our league position is due to half of our team being L1 players. When it is in fact a FACT we've spent the thick end of nearly £20m on players since promotion from L1 none of which are good enough to get into our current side at the moment. P*sses all over Nick G and his mates foot stamping 'we've got a league one side' mantra they are now trotting out.

[NickG]

Thanks for the postive comments on my posts. Just wanted to clarify it.

 

I'm not going to get personal, as I have no idea whether the people I am talking about maybe school kids or not very bright etc, so will just correct them.

 

A few posters are getting very confused about the references to us having players who were recently, for two seasons, performing in league 1. The reference to this was to put into context Delldays comments about our summer spending. Is it not clear and obvious that a team, who until recently was playing in lower leagues, would need more money spent on them than a team that has been established in the prem?

 

I made no attempt at a sob story, or to belittle our players. These are facts. Unfortunately a few posters get themselves confused in their own arguement and start thinking it was what I had said!

 

An independant valuation of values of our squads, including the summer spending that has blown delldays away, puts our value in bottom three. Delldays uses money spent to say NA is underperforming..this stat is logical to suggest otherwise.

 

Squad values

QPR 96.5m

Reading 41m

Villa 105m

Wigan 67.5m

Newcastle 140m

Saints 62m

Sunderland 105m

 

Other teams just above us much higher than us.

 

I'm not saying this should be the basis of performance (Norwich and Swansea do well) but to go on and on and on and on about our summer spending...perspective??

 

 

 

Find post when, as we played in league 1, I said any player was prem standard, or should play internationally, and you may a very small, weak point.....otherwise complete nonsense which I'm sure doesn't even convince yourself.

 

Do you really think you can take team playing in league 1 (for two seasons) put it in premiership a year later, replace less than half the team and expect a god given right to be in top half by investing few million in very talented youngsters?

 

those who think because players were rated at lower level (Portsmouth's level!) Fans meant they were good enough to be prem stars do make me laugh.

 

Utter bullsh it by the way.

 

That humble lower league one team contained a million pound keeper, a million pound centre back, a million pound midfielder and million pound striker. Multi million pounds worth of talent all over the pitch.

 

You're making them out to be some bunch of jumped up Hereford United style part timers.

 

And I think it highly disrespectful that you sneer at our current team and write them off as nothing but lower league one standard.

 

First time I have been accused of putting our players down! Think you are imagining posts...can't really answer your arguement as wasn't anything I have said or implied sorry.

 

NickG must has multiple user names. Apologies for not realising this.

 

No, just the one - you may find if you post sense someone may agree with you one day!

 

We outspent most clubs in Europe, so had the funds to rectify this. I don't quite remember Norwich blowing nearly every club in Europe out of the water eighteen months ago but I am sure you do.

 

I do not accept the "poor tiny League One underdog Southampton" sob story.

 

Agree re Norwich - rest covered above.

 

The point being, quite clearly, that people are claiming our league position is due to half of our team being L1 players. When it is in fact a FACT we've spent the thick end of nearly £20m on players since promotion from L1 none of which are good enough to get into our current side at the moment. P*sses all over Nick G and his mates foot stamping 'we've got a league one side' mantra they are now trotting out.

 

Think above answers your post (****es over your rant )

 

 

I have now reflected, and agree with Delldays, you can't live in the past, judging NA by two amazing seasons - its about now. Lets not live on past glories - move on, its about now in prem....

 

Is NA out of his depth...

 

we beat Villa at their place, lets judge on that....Swansea, WBA, Norwich, Arsenal, Reading, Stoke - all failed to do that.

 

we are 8th in current form

 

 

Enjoy your season...I am.

[supersonic]

in answer to the OP, yes I would welcome RDM.

 

I'd support any manager

[Turkish]

I note you have failed to answer if you think Fonte, Puncheon, Lambert, Lallana and Schindelin are premier league standard players or not.

 

Also fail to answer that we have signed £20m worth of players since promotion from L1 who aren't first choice players.

[CB Fry]

What on earth is an "independent valuation" anyway? Useless, made up numbers.

 

Since promotion from L1 we have spent millions.

 

Since promotion from the NPC we outspent nearly every club in Europe.

 

So unless you genuinely think we are labouring with genuine L1 players (and you can name them) I fail to see your point.

 

The "perspective" posts always come from a "poor us" perspective but that doesn't make it true.

 

Most clubs, including Newcastle, would kill for the funds we seem to have to spray about.

 

And plenty of promoted clubs have thrived in the prem without sloshing cash about like we have. Go and look at WBA's all time highest transfer in. And they have done fine.

 

So I don't accept that we are in a disadvantage to these mighty clubs around us. Quite the opposite. The exact opposite.

[NickG]

Sorry didn't answer as didn't see relevance.

 

Still don't but reckon all, as is NA doing well in premiership.

 

Not sure I can put this any simpler but will try.

 

In prem league you need a squad of players able to perform at that level.

 

If teams stay in prem they are likely to have a deep squad, built over years of either big signing, free transfers but established on high wages, or quality youth players staying with them as they are premiership.

 

A team playing two years in league 1 then just one year in championship is unlikely to have this.

 

Would fans of other prem sides have swapped their squad with the one we ended last season on?

 

We clearly needed to add to it....more than other sides.

 

We spent a few million at time when others were not.

 

That spending did not catch up what was two seasons ago a league one squad (a fact which seems to upset you, delldys and cb).

 

We still have squad valued in relegation places - rather than dell days view that we are a big boy now and NA is crap manager.

 

Sorry if this isn't clear enough but if not let's leave it.

 

I am enjoying NA's management and despite wet beds through out the season the views of NA critics that he was failing and imminent sacking have been proved wrong.

 

Don't think he will be sacked as better manager than DiM.

 

So far NC appears to agree with me

[NickG]

What on earth is an "independent valuation" anyway? Useless, made up numbers.

 

Since promotion from L1 we have spent millions.

 

Since promotion from the NPC we outspent nearly every club in Europe.

 

So unless you genuinely think we are labouring with genuine L1 players (and you can name them) I fail to see your point.

 

The "perspective" posts always come from a "poor us" perspective but that doesn't make it true.

 

Most clubs, including Newcastle, would kill for the funds we seem to have to spray about.

 

And plenty of promoted clubs have thrived in the prem without sloshing cash about like we have. Go and look at WBA's all time highest transfer in. And they have done fine.

 

So I don't accept that we are in a disadvantage to these mighty clubs around us. Quite the opposite. The exact opposite.

 

Sometimes my youngest just can't follow logic, gets confused and stroppy. You can't reason with him as set in his ways and doesn't understand. I have to say "OK whatever".

 

Anyway, in response to your post...

 

 

"Ok whatever".

 

Have nice day and enjoy your season....NA has a bunch of lads, without prem experience doing well and playing dome great football.

[Turkish]

Sorry didn't answer as didn't see relevance.

 

Still don't but reckon all, as is NA doing well in premiership.

 

Not sure I can put this any simpler but will try.

 

In prem league you need a squad of players able to perform at that level.

 

If teams stay in prem they are likely to have a deep squad, built over years of either big signing, free transfers but established on high wages, or quality youth players staying with them as they are premiership.

 

A team playing two years in league 1 then just one year in championship is unlikely to have this.

 

Would fans of other prem sides have swapped their squad with the one we ended last season on?

 

We clearly needed to add to it....more than other sides.

 

We spent a few million at time when others were not.

 

That spending did not catch up what was two seasons ago a league one squad (a fact which seems to upset you, delldys and cb).

 

We still have squad valued in relegation places - rather than dell days view that we are a big boy now and NA is crap manager.

 

Sorry if this isn't clear enough but if not let's leave it.

 

I am enjoying NA's management and despite wet beds through out the season the views of NA critics that he was failing and imminent sacking have been proved wrong.

 

Don't think he will be sacked as better manager than DiM.

 

So far NC appears to agree with me

 

It wasn't a L1 squad though was it. 5 of that squad are now more than holding their own in the premier league. Davis, Chaplow, Harding, Hammond, Connolly, Richarson, Butterfield, Guly and Jaidi had all played at or are now playing at a higher level than L1 and Chamberlain was sold to a top 4 premier league club for £12m. No amount of banging on about it being a L1 squad are going to change that. It was playing in L1 but it wasn't a L1 standard squad.

 

And you've again ignored the fact that we've spent £20m on 10 players since promtion who can't get in the side at the moment.

 

But then facts don't seem to matter when you can call on independent squad valuations which is probably some Internet person deciding what he thinks players are worth. Keep relying on this though and repeating to yourself we have a L1 squad.

[CB Fry]

Sometimes my youngest just can't follow logic, gets confused and stroppy. You can't reason with him as set in his ways and doesn't understand. I have to say "OK whatever".

 

Anyway, in response to your post...

 

 

"Ok whatever".

 

Have nice day and enjoy your season....NA has a bunch of lads, without prem experience doing well and playing dome great football.

 

 

 

Nice try. I have a five year old myself and we enjoying making up stories together.

 

None of them match up with the fairy tales you're coming up with on here.

 

If you're going to try and talk down to me, don't let your starting point be utter cluelessness.

[Dig Dig]

Not sure where NickG got those squad valuations from but a forbes study at the the end of the transfer window had our squad value in the bottom 3 of the league.

[Turkish]

Not sure where NickG got those squad valuations from but a forbes study at the the end of the transfer window had our squad value in the bottom 3 of the league.

 

Anyone could say anything though couldn't they. If I was doing that study I'd say arguably Shaw, Lallana, Schniderlin and Ramirez are worth over £10m each, Rodriguez, Cork, Clyne £6m each and we are already at Nick Gs £62m figure from 7 players. Which proves that some squad valuation from someone most people have never heard of mean f*ck all.

[Dig Dig]

Anyone could say anything though couldn't they. If I was doing that study I'd say arguably Shaw, Lallana, Schniderlin and Ramirez are worth over £10m each, Rodriguez, Cork, Clyne £6m each and we are already at Nick Gs £62m figure from 7 players. Which proves that some squad valuation from someone most people have never heard of mean f*ck all.

 

Yea but there were some fancy formulas which factor it all in which i couldnt be bothered to digest

[Turkish]

Yea but there were some fancy formulas which factor it all in which i couldnt be bothered to digest

 

Ultimately, it means f^=* all though. There are so many more factors to take into account than a few formulas typed into a computer. That's the trouble with internet people, too much time looking at Stats and formulas, not enough time living in the real world.

[Spudders]

That's the trouble with internet people, too much time looking at Stats and formulas, not enough time living in the real world.

What is this real world that you speak of, sounds strange?

[Dig Dig]

Ultimately, it means f^=* all though. There are so many more factors to take into account than a few formulas typed into a computer. That's the trouble with internet people, too much time looking at Stats and formulas, not enough time living in the real world.

 

In the real world, how many prem squads are worth less than ours at the moment?

 

I'd say the following based on nothing at all apart from what I think I know and remember:

 

Norwich

Swansea

Newcastle

Wigan

Villa

 

Can't really think of many others and could be horribly wrong with a couple but looks about right to me.

[Turkish]

In the real world, how many prem squads are worth less than ours at the moment?

 

I'd say the following based on nothing at all apart from what I think I know and remember:

 

Norwich

Swansea

Newcastle

Wigan

Villa

 

Can't really think of many others and could be horribly wrong with a couple but looks about right to me.

 

Add Reading to that list too and I'd say Newcastles is worth at least what ours is probably more. So straight away we value our squad as more than bottom 3.

 

How much would West Ham and QPR get for their players if they wanted to sell them? Can't think of too many of their players that have a large market value. Most of them seem to be older with little sell on value. Apart from a few obvious exceptions like Tarabit at QPR and Tomkins, Jarvis, Noble and Collison at West Ham.

[Dig Dig]

Add Reading to that list too and I'd say Newcastles is worth at least what ours is probably more. So straight away we value our squad as more than bottom 3.

 

How much would West Ham and QPR get for their players if they wanted to sell them? Can't think of too many of their players that have a large market value. Most of them seem to be older with little sell on value. Apart from a few obvious exceptions like Tarabit at QPR and Tomkins, Jarvis, Noble and Collison at West Ham.

 

Reading for sure, can't believe I missed them and as you say, possibly QPR as well but their net spend over the last two seasons as well as their monthly wage bill must be much higher than ours.

[Turkish]

What is this real world that you speak of, sounds strange?

 

I went out there earlier and it's a scary place let me tell you. Was glad to be back behind my keyboard.

[Saint Garrett]

 

Surely not?!?

[Saint_clark]

That's strange...you can't even say that he's more likely to be there with QPR either.

Edited 2 March, 2013 by Saint_clark

[Saint Garrett]

Not in with his mate Cortese either. Very odd especially given all previous rumours! MP interim di matteo summer? Lol

[saint lard]

Get him in.

[sandwichsaint]

photoshop, or just a large head?

[Saint_clark]

photoshop, or just a large head?

 

Looks a bit bigger because his tie and front of his jacket blends in with the womans coat behind.

[SuperMikey]

Radhi Jaidi is giving him the look of death from above.

 

I'd take RDM if our form under MP doesn't improve tbh.

[Glasgow_Saint]

 

Surely not?!?

 

Id be pleased with that..... End of season maybe?

[CaneNero]

 

Surely not?!?

 

troll or real?

[Badger]

Not in with his mate Cortese either. Very odd especially given all previous rumours! MP interim di matteo summer? Lol

 

I raised a qusestion over how long MP would last, the day NA was axed.

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?42506-How-long-will-Pochettino-last-here-then

 

My comments then were :

 

 

Gut feeling - probably to the end of the season.

If we go down he'll be out , or off.

If we stay up, I still expect the Di Matteo link resurfacing.

 

I will be surprised if MP is here next season, not that I want Di Matteo.

[Glasgow_Saint]

If NC wanted DiMatteo surely he would have approached and appointed him?

[110_Persaint]

Wouldn't shed a tear to never see that Pochettino muppet anywhere near our club ever again.

[Lighthouse]

That's not Di Matteo. The ear lobes are wrong.

[SuperMikey]

That's not Di Matteo. The ear lobes are wrong.

 

[capitalsaint]

No thanks.

[Glasgow_Saint]

Wouldn't shed a tear to never see that Pochettino muppet anywhere near our club ever again.

 

Interesting discussion on Sky sports earlier. One of the journalists is claiming that Pinocchio is indeed just temporary and will be replaced in the summer. One of he other journalist asked if thats why he (poch) hasnt bovered learning English and the other journo said yes.

 

Said NC and Nigel working relationship broke down and that was that

[Badger]

Interesting discussion on Sky sports earlier. One of the journalists is claiming that Pinocchio is indeed just temporary and will be replaced in the summer. One of he other journalist asked if thats why he (poch) hasnt bovered learning English and the other journo said yes.

 

Said NC and Nigel working relationship broke down and that was that

 

If true, then the only surprise is that Cortese would jeopardise our league status with an interim appointment after we had appeared to start moving up the table.

Surely a safer option - no matter how bad the working relationship - was to maintain a steady ship until the end of the season.

[Glasgow_Saint]

If true, then the only surprise is that Cortese would jeopardise our league status with an interim appointment after we had appeared to start moving up the table.

Surely a safer option - no matter how bad the working relationship - was to maintain a steady ship until the end of the season.

 

Depends how bad the relationship got i suppose?

[RobM]

Depends how bad the relationship got i suppose?

 

True that. We have no idea how steady the ship really is / was, we only see what the club wants us to see.

[Andre]

Di Matteo's a great manager, no reason why we wouldn't welcome him.

[sadoldgit]

Interesting discussion on Sky sports earlier. One of the journalists is claiming that Pinocchio is indeed just temporary and will be replaced in the summer. One of he other journalist asked if thats why he (poch) hasnt bovered learning English and the other journo said yes.

 

Said NC and Nigel working relationship broke down and that was that

 

Surely it takes longer than a few weeks to learn English?

[Badger]

Di Matteo's a great manager, no reason why we wouldn't welcome him.

 

really ?

 

Didn't build the Chelsea side that won the Champions League, this is conveniently overlooked.

[Lord Duckhunter]

really ?

 

Didn't build the Chelsea side that won the Champions League, this is conveniently overlooked.

 

I was listening to Talksport yesterday and Mark Saggers was talking to a Chelsea fan over the air. The Chelsea guy was banging on about RDM and Saggers said there were plenty of rumours in the game that senior players dictated the side and tactics under him and there were lots of "issues" with his management. Would we have Avram Grant, who don't forget was a slipped penalty kick away from doing exactly the same thing.?

[Golden Balls]

Not sure if this has been mentioned elsewhere as I can't be arsed to look but MP said in his press conference that he went for dinner with RDM after the QPR game. He also said to ask Nicola if he will get a job, then raised a smile.

 

Seems on the cards

[egg]

really ?

 

Didn't build the Chelsea side that won the Champions League, this is conveniently overlooked.

 

The fact that he did it with someone elses teams makes it more of an achievement, not less. I'd take him if we need a new man but I'm happy to stick with mp.