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IF we did go down, which of the two would have the best chance of getting us straight back up? For me it has to be NA. So there you go, probably as much chance of keeping us up as RDM & a better chance of re promotion should the worst happe .

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This thread risks going off course. The question asked is not whether Adkins or Di Matteo is a more effective manager, instead it assumes that the club has made that decision and has concluded that Di Matteo is not only a better choice than Adkins but is also the best candidate amongst all those who applied or were willing to take the appointment. It is not necessary to agree with that conclusion, which is in any case, hypothetical, but to consider how the fans might respond if such an unlikely event were to come about. There would be a certain irony if the fans reacted badly, as that would reverse the situation that applied to Di Matteo's replacement at Chelsea, but whilst there probably would be a mixed response with Adkin's loyalists regretting his leaving, many other fans would want to look to the future and would be influenecd by events. If the team started winning more games the new manager would soon be welcomed but if he did no better than his predeccessor then he would not.

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Why is it?

 

We may all love NA but let's not pretend that NC won't bin him in a heartbeat and I also wouldn't be shocked, that if we lost to Villa, RdM replaced NA on Monday.

 

You may want to stick your fingers in your ears and pretend everything is rosey but it doesn't make it so.

 

I'm not saying everything is perfect, but people are so quick to forget the last two years and the success he has brought to the club. Yes we are in a dog fight and may be relegated but NA deserves his chance. I seem to remember when Alex Ferguson took over at Man U things didn't really go to plan and he was on the verge of the axe, now look at him - he is the most successful manager in the game.

 

We don't need to go down the hire and fire route like under Lowe as look where it got us. We need stability.

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I'm not saying everything is perfect, but people are so quick to forget the last two years and the success he has brought to the club. Yes we are in a dog fight and may be relegated but NA deserves his chance. I seem to remember when Alex Ferguson took over at Man U things didn't really go to plan and he was on the verge of the axe, now look at him - he is the most successful manager in the game.

 

We don't need to go down the hire and fire route like under Lowe as look where it got us. We need stability.

man u and fergie have zero to do with adkins....

 

NC has a multi million ££££ investment next season to think of...to the tune of £50-80m....yes, if he think sacking adkins would ensure that..he would be mad not to...

 

so far we have been alright...we have had probably the best run of home games any team in the bottom could have hoped for..and still gave away points where we should have won...

 

today is huge..we have forgotton how to win....we really need to remember how to today

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man u and fergie have zero to do with adkins....

 

NC has a multi million ££££ investment next season to think of...to the tune of £50-80m....yes, if he think sacking adkins would ensure that..he would be mad not to...

 

so far we have been alright...we have had probably the best run of home games any team in the bottom could have hoped for..and still gave away points where we should have won...

 

today is huge..we have forgotton how to win....we really need to remember how to today

 

Do us a favour TDD. Go out this morning and buy a pair of incontinence pants just in case we lose.

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why the snidy post...do you not think we will be in huge trouble if we lose..? as we will be..

 

Huge trouble...hahahahah huge trouble was administration appointing 4 Dutch jokers...playing the youth team.

0-0 v Oldham the most boring game I have ever witnessed.

It will be a blow and things will be tough but FFS get things in perspective.

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why the snidy post...do you not think we will be in huge trouble if we lose..? as we will be..

 

Remember that the season will not be over until May. A lot will happen between now and then. As nige used to say

 

"don't get too high when we win - don't get too low when we lose"

 

A month ago Villa won at Liverpool and all their problems were apparently over. Things can change very quickly and a sense of perspective is always necessary.

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I'm not saying everything is perfect, but people are so quick to forget the last two years and the success he has brought to the club. Yes we are in a dog fight and may be relegated but NA deserves his chance. I seem to remember when Alex Ferguson took over at Man U things didn't really go to plan and he was on the verge of the axe, now look at him - he is the most successful manager in the game.

 

We don't need to go down the hire and fire route like under Lowe as look where it got us. We need stability.

 

 

 

Pointless reference to the Alex Ferguson case study. Well done. This thread is complete.

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man u and fergie have zero to do with adkins....

 

NC has a multi million ££££ investment next season to think of...to the tune of £50-80m....yes, if he think sacking adkins would ensure that..he would be mad not to...

 

so far we have been alright...we have had probably the best run of home games any team in the bottom could have hoped for..and still gave away points where we should have won...

 

today is huge..we have forgotton how to win....we really need to remember how to today

 

But what would an Adkins Job Under threat thread be without someone mentioning Alex Ferguson and Manchester United? It's not like for every one of him there are dozens of Steve Keans. Ironic that everyone is writing off Christian gross as a manager because he had a crap nine months at a spurs. maybe if they'd stuck with him like Man U did Then he'd have had the same effect there? But of course that doesn't suit the arguement.

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Registerered Users should know their place..... no dumb comments

 

lol

 

How about Paulo Di Canio what would your thoughts be then? or Harry Redknapp? or Alan Curbishley? or any of the 100's of managers linked to the club in one way or another over the past few years? I think the curve ball Nicola sent us already when appointing Adkins would more likely suggest Di Matteo (who incidently was the goal-scorer on my only ever correct scorecast - so I like the bloke) is not likely to be 'the chosen one'

 

Forgive the dumb comment from the registered user - anyway isn't dumb one of the banned phrases on this board - you can't imply that because people can't talk they are stupid - dumbass!

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DeMatteo did well at Chelski, reviving jaded super-quality superstars. He wasn't so successful at West Brom managing a promoted Championship side.

 

Nigel is managing a side that is half a promoted league 1 team. Nigel's 'achievements in 'value added' terms is surely better.

 

So what could Adkins achieve if he had players of the calibre that Chelski have?

 

Imho Matteo would be more of a risk arriving here mid-season. Better to spend the money adding a quality keeper and defenders than wasting on manager severence fees.

 

I hope it doesn't happen but a change of manger should be early summer, not now. I am a firm believer of not changing horses mid-stream.

 

But to answer the question, of course De Matteo should be welcomed if he were to arrive here.

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DeMatteo did well at Chelski, reviving jaded super-quality superstars. He wasn't so successful at West Brom managing a promoted Championship side.

 

Nigel is managing a side that is half a promoted league 1 team. Nigel's 'achievements in 'value added' terms is surely better.

 

So what could Adkins achieve if he had players of the calibre that Chelski have?

 

Imho Matteo would be more of a risk arriving here mid-season. Better to spend the money adding a quality keeper and defenders than wasting on manager severence fees.

 

I hope it doesn't happen but a change of manger should be early summer, not now. I am a firm believer of not changing horses mid-stream.

 

But to answer the question, of course De Matteo should be welcomed if he were to arrive here.

 

Again, I'll ask you the question regarding our supposed half league one team.

 

Do you believe Schniderlin, Lambert, Lallana, Fonte and Puncheon are premier league level players?

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Again, I'll ask you the question regarding our supposed half league one team.

 

Do you believe Schniderlin, Lambert, Lallana, Fonte and Puncheon are premier league level players?

davis

harding

fonte

morgan

chaplow

lallana

lambert

Guly

OxO

puncheon

 

were all at least NPC standard players when nigel was here....some of which have proven to be premier league standard players

 

this idea that nigel performed a managerial miracle in getting that squad promoted is daft..had he not got promoted from league 1 when he did, he would have been a complete and utter shambles...he did and did in style..

 

last season was very impressive mind....

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davis

harding

fonte

morgan

chaplow

lallana

lambert

puncheon

 

were all at least NPC standard players when nigel was here....some of which have proven to be premier league standard players

 

this idea that nigel performed a managerial miracle in getting that squad promoted is daft..had he not got promoted from league 1 when he did, he would have been a complete and utter shambles...he did and did in style..

 

last season was very impressive mind....

 

Wasn't it also one of, if not the most expensively asssembled squads in L1 history? 4 players who cost £1m each for starters. Last season was excellent and hats of to Nige for that. I love it though how people are making out the like of Ramirez, Clyne and Yoshida are playing alongside half a team who should be playing for Stevenage. They might have been playing in L1 but they aren't L1 players.

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Wasn't it also one of, if not the most expensively asssembled squads in L1 history? 4 players who cost £1m each for starters. Last season was excellent and hats of to Nige for that. I love it though how people are making out the like of Ramirez, Clyne and Yoshida are playing alongside half a team who should be playing for Stevenage. They might have been playing in L1 but they aren't L1 players.

lambert alone cost more than the next 3 big signings that season...one of which was dean hammond....

that included norwich in the league too, with leeds

 

I remember plenty of posts saying how we were the best club outside of the prem/top 4....how we would probably beat england..how lallana and lambert should be picked for england and that what league they were in should not matter....

 

how we had a better squad than most of the NPC etc etc etc

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davis

harding

fonte

morgan

chaplow

lallana

lambert

Guly

OxO

puncheon

 

were all at least NPC standard players when nigel was here....some of which have proven to be premier league standard players

 

this idea that nigel performed a managerial miracle in getting that squad promoted is daft..had he not got promoted from league 1 when he did, he would have been a complete and utter shambles...he did and did in style..

 

last season was very impressive mind....

 

Not a miracle but still very impressive. We lost and drew regularly under Pardew and Wilkins couldn't get the same players to win games. There was no gaurentee that we would or should have gone up after an absolutely shambolic start to that season.

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lambert alone cost more than the next 3 big signings that season...one of which was dean hammond....

that included norwich in the league too, with leeds

 

I remember plenty of posts saying how we were the best club outside of the prem/top 4....how we would probably beat england..how lallana and lambert should be picked for england and that what league they were in should not matter....

 

how we had a better squad than most of the NPC etc etc etc

 

Yep, remember all those posts too, also that man for man, our Championship side was better than the 2003 side and others claim it was our best ever side. Now of course it's, what can we expect half of our side were L1 players only 18 months ago.

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lambert alone cost more than the next 3 big signings that season...one of which was dean hammond....

that included norwich in the league too, with leeds

 

I remember plenty of posts saying how we were the best club outside of the prem/top 4....how we would probably beat england..how lallana and lambert should be picked for england and that what league they were in should not matter....

 

how we had a better squad than most of the NPC etc etc etc

 

Stop making stuff up. I believe MLG once said we must be an attractive club to join other than the top 4 clubs in England. A stupid comment but it wasn't plenty. The rest was just a handful of posters as well, if that

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lambert alone cost more than the next 3 big signings that season...one of which was dean hammond....

that included norwich in the league too, with leeds

 

I remember plenty of posts saying how we were the best club outside of the prem/top 4....how we would probably beat england..how lallana and lambert should be picked for england and that what league they were in should not matter....

 

how we had a better squad than most of the NPC etc etc

 

 

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Stop making stuff up. I believe MLG once said we must be an attractive club to join other than the top 4 clubs in England. A stupid comment but it wasn't plenty. The rest was just a handful of posters as well, if that

 

Not an attractive club. According to him we were the most attractive club in England outside the top 4 in the premier league. This whilst in L1.

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Not an attractive club. According to him we were the most attractive club in England outside the top 4 in the premier league. This whilst in L1.

 

As I said, a stupid comment but struggling to see the relevance of MLG saying something stupid over two years ago?

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I think that if we lose at Villa the "writing is on the wall" for NA.............. I am not anti NA, but; ask the harsh questions!!

 

Would Roberto keep us in the Prem and would he get the fans support, I am not sure!!

 

Discuss please??

 

Firstly I'd be absolutely gutted if NA was offloaded.

 

It would be a really shoddy way to treat the guy plus I believe he's our best insurance policy to get us out of the champ should we get relegated.

 

Secondly I'd be pretty neutral to Di Matteo (whilst wishing him the best), he's an OK manager but not better than NA.

 

He'd also need a certain amount of games to find his feet and we are running out of them. For that point alone I believe our chances of survival would reduce if he was to be brought in.

 

Thirdly I just don't believe it is a good idea to change managers half way through a season especially when you are in as vulnerable position as us.

 

For us to have a good reason to change now we'd have to have a total incompetent in charge and be able to bring in a much superior replacement.

 

Point 1 is categorically not true and point 2 is highly debateable.

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Again, I'll ask you the question regarding our supposed half league one team.

 

Do you believe Schniderlin, Lambert, Lallana, Fonte and Puncheon are premier league level players?

 

Norwich seem to be doing quite well again with their half league 1 squad including the likes of Russell Martin, John Ruddy, Grant Holt, Wes Hoolahan and Anthony Pilkington.

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Nigel's the man for the job . Whoever keeps digging up this crap about Nigel being given the sack needs to put a sock in it. Seems like one or two still have an anti Nigel agenda on here, even if he were to leave which I don't think he will . As fans we should get behind the team and manager whoever it is . As long as saggy chops never ever has anything to do with our club again

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I personally do not think RDM would keep us up no. The reason is no matter how people rate NA he has created a superb team spirit even though we may not have PL quality yet, I believe we will stay up and Nige will get better as a manager. We are slowly improving as the manager learns also. To change now would be suicidal imo

 

 

Nutshell.

 

Need to bolster the squad not the manager.

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As much as a like Di Matteo as a person (comes across as a nice guy) his big achievements are the champions league win and doing a decent job with MK Dons and WBA. Adkins has several promotions under his belt and much more team building so I won't be impressed if :the inevitable happens" and we land Di Matteo till we get results (a lot too).

 

Till then theres only one Nigel Adkins!

 

Ditto.

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remember the slating poyet got when he called us dagenham with lambert...guessing he was right

 

 

Brilliant.

 

Can you imagine the uproar if an opposing manager or, god forbid, Mark Lawrenson came out and said "Southampton are nothing but a bunch of League One players".

 

The divs on this thread currently saying exactly that would be going apesh it.

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Brilliant.

 

Can you imagine the uproar if an opposing manager or, god forbid, Mark Lawrenson came out and said "Southampton are nothing but a bunch of League One players".

 

The divs on this thread currently saying exactly that would be going apesh it.

 

When you say "Divs", do you mean NickG? The only one on this thread who actually mentioned anything about League 1 on this thread until the div delldays starts his little exaggeration routine.

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NickG must has multiple user names. Apologies for not realising this.

 

But is that not a true statement? Half our side were in league 1. They are quality players though so the posters back then saying they were at least NPC standard were actually right. Lambert, Lallana, Morgan, Fonte are not the issue now though. It's the fact that our squad depth is poor which is a by product of moving from L1 to prem in two years IMO

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But is that not a true statement? Half our side were in league 1. They are quality players though so the posters back then saying they were at least NPC standard were actually right. Lambert, Lallana, Morgan, Fonte are not the issue now though. It's the fact that our squad depth is poor which is a by product of moving from L1 to prem in two years IMO

 

 

 

We outspent most clubs in Europe, so had the funds to rectify this. I don't quite remember Norwich blowing nearly every club in Europe out of the water eighteen months ago but I am sure you do.

 

I do not accept the "poor tiny League One underdog Southampton" sob story.

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But is that not a true statement? Half our side were in league 1. They are quality players though so the posters back then saying they were at least NPC standard were actually right. Lambert, Lallana, Morgan, Fonte are not the issue now though. It's the fact that our squad depth is poor which is a by product of moving from L1 to prem in two years IMO

 

Come on Diggers. Its true enough in fact that they played in League 1, but saying "its half a League 1 team" is disingenuous at best. Lallana was the subject of a multi-million bid from Fulham when we were in the lower leagues, we turned that down by paying him a massive wedge of cash. Fonte dropped down from being a revered member of a decent enough Championship Palace side to play League 1 for us, I'm sure he didn't do that for the challenge of it. Schneiderlin is only 22 now and was always tipped for higher things (signied when we were in the Championship and he was 18, don't forget). Even Puncheon has played on loan at Blackpool and QPR in the PL before getting there with us. Lambert is about the only one you can say who was an established League 1 player who has improved through the ranks (typified by him being the one that many wrote off on both pre-seasons of our successive promotions).

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We outspent most clubs in Europe, so had the funds to rectify this. I don't quite remember Norwich blowing nearly every club in Europe out of the water eighteen months ago but I am sure you do.

 

I do not accept the "poor tiny League One underdog Southampton" sob story.

 

I'm not peddling a sob story. I think our starting 11 is good enough, half we already had from league 1, the other half added over the last season/this season.

 

Our depth isnt good enough however, and I wouldn't begrudge anyone arguing the point that we could have got more from 30M than we actully have

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Come on Diggers. Its true enough in fact that they played in League 1, but saying "its half a League 1 team" is disingenuous at best. Lallana was the subject of a multi-million bid from Fulham when we were in the lower leagues, we turned that down by paying him a massive wedge of cash. Fonte dropped down from being a revered member of a decent enough Championship Palace side to play League 1 for us, I'm sure he didn't do that for the challenge of it. Schneiderlin is only 22 now and was always tipped for higher things (signied when we were in the Championship and he was 18, don't forget). Even Puncheon has played on loan at Blackpool and QPR in the PL before getting there with us. Lambert is about the only one you can say who was an established League 1 player who has improved through the ranks (typified by him being the one that many wrote off on both pre-seasons of our successive promotions).

 

I agree with all that. We still had another half of a team which was league 1/NPC standard and we still have too many of them knocking about now. As I've said above though, it's more than fair enough to suggest that 30M worth of spending could have gotten us a bit more strength and depth than we have now.

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I'm not peddling a sob story. I think our starting 11 is good enough, half we already had from league 1, the other half added over the last season/this season.

 

Our depth isnt good enough however, and I wouldn't begrudge anyone arguing the point that we could have got more from 30M than we actully have

 

 

 

Quite.

 

Bit silly to complain about squad depth with twelve million quid's worth of attacking talent on bench, two million quid striker farmed off on loan. Two million on a rookie keeper, with a CL keeper drafted in on top.

 

Strengthened the midfield with Davis at, what, another 3 mil? Can't remember. And despite our lack of defensive steel we still found the time to spend millions on a full back and a centre back.

 

We may have made mistakes but we invested in depth just like we all begged Mr Lowe to do. Well we've done it now and people still want more, as they always will.

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Quite.

 

Bit silly to complain about squad depth with twelve million quid's worth of attacking talent on bench, two million quid striker farmed off on loan. Two million on a rookie keeper, with a CL keeper drafted in on top.

 

Strengthened the midfield with Davis at, what, another 3 mil? Can't remember. And despite our lack of defensive steel we still found the time to spend millions on a full back and a centre back.

 

We may have made mistakes but we invested in depth just like we all begged Mr Lowe to do. Well we've done it now and people still want more, as they always will.

 

This biggest problem is the 12 million spent on two players who are not starters and don't solve a problem of a player like Lallana being out for half a dozen games or whatever it will be.

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This biggest problem is the 12 million spent on two players who are not starters and don't solve a problem of a player like Lallana being out for half a dozen games or whatever it will be.

 

Correct. Which is a failure in decision making now, not a result of being in League One two years ago.

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