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Should be a price cap on all tickets at football matches, Arsenal can not justify that kind of price for a football match.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/jan/08/manchester-city-ticket-allocation-arsenal?CMP=twt_gu

 

Its just bizarre that Arsenal will charge differing amounts to away fans when there is no logic behind it. Saints fans are always going to want to visit the Emirates and are bound to sell quite a lot, but as Cat C the tickets were only £25.

 

You shouldn't be penalised for supporting a successful team.

 

How there can be a difference of 50 quid for Man City away to 20 quid for Wigan away is just bizarre.

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In fairness, there appears to be sufficient mugs and tourists around in London to pay it. Average league attendance is 60,100 and capacity is 60,400, according to the article.

 

Simple issue of supply-and-demand. Though clearly they are bell-ends, especially if games are televised, but its up to them.

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I think Man City have a cheek complaining they were happy enough us to charge us £52 for the first game of the season live on Sky against a club that had just been promoted. There should be one price for all tickets in each division regardless of who is playing i.e. £40 for PL, £30 for CL etc.,

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In fairness, there appears to be sufficient mugs and tourists around in London to pay it. Average league attendance is 60,100 and capacity is 60,400, according to the article.

 

Simple issue of supply-and-demand. Though clearly they are bell-ends, especially if games are televised, but its up to them.

 

Its called actually going to a game and supporting your club

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I think Man City have a cheek complaining they were happy enough us to charge us £52 for the first game of the season live on Sky against a club that had just been promoted. There should be one price for all tickets in each division regardless of who is playing i.e. £40 for PL, £30 for CL etc.,

 

I read an article yesterday that said with the extra Sky money coming in next season, every club in the Premier league could afford to subsidise every ticket to every game by £36! To be fair to the Citeh fans complaining they didn't set the price for us to go up there and a lot of their fans have been pretty apologetic over it. This isn't an issue for club tribalism IMO, when you see Liverpool and Man U fans uniting behind a common cause you know it is a pretty important one.

 

I actually feel a little (not a lot as they f***ing win pretty much everywhere they go) sorry for United's away support. They sell out in huge numbers wherever they go, yet retain a core away following of proper Mancs, but they have to pay more everywhere they go purely because they are United fans. Putting aside who they support for a minute (as I said earlier, this issue should be above tribalism) why should a football fan the same as me but from Manchester rather than Southampton that supports the team he was brought up to support, just as I have, pay 50% on average more than me to follow their team around the country? It's bang out of order in my opinion.

 

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Obviously we'd all like to pay less,

but from a business point of view, if you are selling 90% of your tickets, you obviously have priced them correctly, if you totally sell out there is room to increase the price, if your selling less than 90 % of your tickets then they should be reduced

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Arsenal will sell out those remaining tickets that City returned and Arsenal sell out the Emirates pretty much every week even with the highest prices around.

 

People pay like £125 to watch Madonna and the tickets sell out in hours.

 

Demand is there and that sets the prices.

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Arsenal will sell out those remaining tickets that City returned and Arsenal sell out the Emirates pretty much every week even with the highest prices around.

 

People pay like £125 to watch Madonna and the tickets sell out in hours.

 

Demand is there and that sets the prices.

 

There is an argument for us lowering prices because we aren't selling out every week, don't think there is one for Arsenal.

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Arsenal will sell out those remaining tickets that City returned and Arsenal sell out the Emirates pretty much every week even with the highest prices around.

 

People pay like £125 to watch Madonna and the tickets sell out in hours.

 

Demand is there and that sets the prices.

 

There is an argument for us lowering prices because we aren't selling out every week, don't think there is one for Arsenal.

 

Unfortunately you're depressingly correct. Arsenal are very fortunate in their location and fanbase to have both a solid large base support, and incredibly affluant areas like Crouch End, Highbury, Islington, Barnsbury, Highgate, Tuffnell Park etc on their doorstep full of minted upper class "footie" fans that want something to do at the weekend in between trips to boutique interior stores, Mediterranean deli's and gasto pub dinners. Actually cracked me up when our fans piped up with the "live in a sh**hole" song when we played them, couldn't be further from the truth!

 

Not sure many other clubs in the country could get away with charging their prices, and that price level does effect the atmosphere at the Emirates, it's shocking. However the United and Liverpool fans point is without away support, the "product" becomes diluted and loses one of the Premier leagues biggest selling points, decent, vocal away support that only Germany can match.

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Sometimes we need to be realistic and stop being all nostalgic with the glow of 'football for the people'.

 

Historically yes it was a working class/poor peoples game - they were the only ones interested, and the low ticket prices reflected the ability to pay of the target audience. BUt that was the only link.

 

The game has grown, interest has grown, a wider more affluent demographic felt comfortabloe going as stadia were upadted and seats installed - reducing capacity and increasing ticket prices to compensate. Then fans expect clubs to sign big names, ignore sensible wage structures without recognising that the prem TV moent does not cover that level of spending on its own...

 

So the model is simple - any business who sees its cost base increase so rapidly, has to invest substatial sums year on year if they want to maintain there commercial revenue, has to charge as much as it can get away with end off. Whilst there are sufficient people willing and able to spend these amounts nothing will change. the game has evolved to a global business and wont go back. Fans accept strict wage controls, and poorer quality players compared to the opposition and lower league status with no ambition in excahnge for a £10 average ticket? wont happen.

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Fair play to City fans but the problem is that the tickets sent back will be snapped up by tourists and the like so Arsenal aren't going to give a damn.

 

We can campaign all we want and moan all we want in the media, as long as people are still pouring through the turnstiles there's only one way the prices are going to keep going and that is up.

 

The only game this season that I've missed is Leeds away but I won't be going to Chelsea or Man Utd, I probably work closer to Stamford Bridge than SMS but will still be giving it a swerve. I'm not forking out £100 on 2x match tickets. They can go f*ck themselves.

 

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Obviously we'd all like to pay less,

but from a business point of view, if you are selling 90% of your tickets, you obviously have priced them correctly, if you totally sell out there is room to increase the price, if your selling less than 90 % of your tickets then they should be reduced

 

I said this before, if you are selling to people who are there to watch and not support ie sing, chant,scream and shout what good are they? Our atmosphere has been awful since we left the Dell, thats what kept us up, the atmospshere, the passion, has that gone with the demise of that fan? I think there is an argument to say the demographic of fan has changed since Sky has become involved.

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Fair play to City fans but the problem is that the tickets sent back will be snapped up by tourists and the like so Arsenal aren't going to give a damn.

 

We can campaign all we want and moan all we want in the media, as long as people are still pouring through the turnstiles there's only one way the prices are going to keep going and that is up.

 

The only game this season that I've missed is Leeds away but I won't be going to Chelsea or Man Utd, I probably work closer to Stamford Bridge than SMS but will still be giving it a swerve. I'm not forking out £100 on 2x match tickets. They can go f*ck themselves.

 

Against Modern Football.

 

This is totally true. Working for an American country it never ceases to amaze me that they are always coming over and buying last minute Arsenal tickets to watch some Prmeeeer League Soccer [sic].

 

It's a losing battle when there is the demand there.

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The only game this season that I've missed is Leeds away but I won't be going to Chelsea or Man Utd, I probably work closer to Stamford Bridge than SMS but will still be giving it a swerve. I'm not forking out £100 on 2x match tickets. They can go f*ck themselves.

 

Against Modern Football.

 

This is exactly the same for me plus having to take time off work to go midweek, it is going to hurt not going to both Man U and Chelsea but have been there many times before and Man U used to be one of the cheaper ones.

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Sometimes we need to be realistic and stop being all nostalgic with the glow of 'football for the people'.

 

Historically yes it was a working class/poor peoples game - they were the only ones interested, and the low ticket prices reflected the ability to pay of the target audience. BUt that was the only link.

 

The game has grown, interest has grown, a wider more affluent demographic felt comfortabloe going as stadia were upadted and seats installed - reducing capacity and increasing ticket prices to compensate. Then fans expect clubs to sign big names, ignore sensible wage structures without recognising that the prem TV moent does not cover that level of spending on its own...

 

So the model is simple - any business who sees its cost base increase so rapidly, has to invest substatial sums year on year if they want to maintain there commercial revenue, has to charge as much as it can get away with end off. Whilst there are sufficient people willing and able to spend these amounts nothing will change. the game has evolved to a global business and wont go back. Fans accept strict wage controls, and poorer quality players compared to the opposition and lower league status with no ambition in excahnge for a £10 average ticket? wont happen.

 

I would accept poorer players in this Country very quickly indeed if

 

it improved the competition of all competitions.

it improved the National game.

it lowered the pricing so ALL could see their team play.

it meant we had safe standing.

it meant we had better atmospheres in football grounds.

Its our game not big business, lower Leagues games have better atmospheres than Premiership games! Thats true as well and its shamefully wrong.

 

Lets look at the other Leagues around the globe and take whats best from them, we will probably return to the Bundesliga as a template though.

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I said this before, if you are selling to people who are there to watch and not support ie sing, chant,scream and shout what good are they? Our atmosphere has been awful since we left the Dell, thats what kept us up, the atmospshere, the passion, has that gone with the demise of that fan? I think there is an argument to say the demographic of fan has changed since Sky has become involved.

 

What good is it to whom?

 

To the clubs, it's very good for their bank balances.

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This is exactly the same for me plus having to take time off work to go midweek, it is going to hurt not going to both Man U and Chelsea but have been there many times before and Man U used to be one of the cheaper ones.

 

I've lost count of the amount of times I've been to OT as used to go quite a bit when England played up there.

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It is hard to blame any club for charging high prices - they typically charge what the market allows and need to bring in as much money as possible in order to be able to compete.

 

I'm refusing to pay for Chelsea away, but as stated already on this thread, it probably won't do much to reduce prices as there will beplenty of tourists happy to pick up any left over tickets that Chelsea put on sale. The situation isn't going to change any time soon and the sad thing is, there is very little we can do about it.

 

Man City fans do have the right to moan about Arsenal's prices though - it wasn't their fans that set the prices for our game was it.

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In fairness, there appears to be sufficient mugs and tourists around in London to pay it. Average league attendance is 60,100 and capacity is 60,400, according to the article.

 

Simple issue of supply-and-demand. Though clearly they are bell-ends, especially if games are televised, but its up to them.

 

Absolutely. Why wouldn't they charge that amount if people are still going to pay up?

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I think Man City have a cheek complaining they were happy enough us to charge us £52 for the first game of the season live on Sky against a club that had just been promoted. There should be one price for all tickets in each division regardless of who is playing i.e. £40 for PL, £30 for CL etc.,

 

...and then charged QPR fans £32 for the same seats for their next home game. City are as guilty as Arsenal.

 

We should follow the Germans is basically everything concerning football

51% ownership of the club by fans.

Regulated and fixed ticket pricing.

Safe standing.

 

If only.

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In fairness, there appears to be sufficient mugs and tourists around in London to pay it. Average league attendance is 60,100 and capacity is 60,400, according to the article.

 

Simple issue of supply-and-demand. Though clearly they are bell-ends, especially if games are televised, but its up to them.

 

I just paid £50 for a ticket to see my team away to Chelsea next week. I live in London. By your logic therefore I am either a mug or a bell-end or both. As you say, it's up to us bell-ends, assuming we have the means to give us a choice about whether or not to go.

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I would accept poorer players in this Country very quickly indeed if

 

it improved the competition of all competitions.

it improved the National game.

it lowered the pricing so ALL could see their team play.

it meant we had safe standing.

it meant we had better atmospheres in football grounds.

Its our game not big business, lower Leagues games have better atmospheres than Premiership games! Thats true as well and its shamefully wrong.

 

Lets look at the other Leagues around the globe and take whats best from them, we will probably return to the Bundesliga as a template though.

 

No one would disagree that German football has had a renaisance since their hosting of the world cup - but prior to that it was not in great shape - clubs had to buy into what the DFB was wanting to and they did because they recognised the advantage to all clubs if there were improvements across all aspects of the game.

 

As is typical over tehir, grounds are not owned by clubs but local councils and there was huge investment all and new builds that meant most Bundes liga clubs ended up with new or improved stadia without any outlay.

 

Then you have a cultural difference - players there still do not get paid the same level as in the prem, so clubs still loose their best players - but tehy do stay until early 20s rather than fecking off for big bucks at 16/17... so many things in teir favour.

 

The issue is not Arsenal charging what they can get away with, but with the prem itself - believing its own hype that its the best league in the world when what they mean is they have manged to market it globally on the back of the heritage of English football - Sky pay the big buck and clubs are desperate to buy in big talent because they need success NOW rather than longer term ambitions... and that costs more than they get from Sky - cant blame Arsenal for this, depsite their £62 a ticket, they still cant compete.

 

There willl nver bethe will of the big clubs to change the ownership model to one of 51% fan ownership...

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No one would disagree that German football has had a renaisance since their hosting of the world cup - but prior to that it was not in great shape - clubs had to buy into what the DFB was wanting to and they did because they recognised the advantage to all clubs if there were improvements across all aspects of the game.

 

As is typical over tehir, grounds are not owned by clubs but local councils and there was huge investment all and new builds that meant most Bundes liga clubs ended up with new or improved stadia without any outlay.

 

Then you have a cultural difference - players there still do not get paid the same level as in the prem, so clubs still loose their best players - but tehy do stay until early 20s rather than fecking off for big bucks at 16/17... so many things in teir favour.

 

The issue is not Arsenal charging what they can get away with, but with the prem itself - believing its own hype that its the best league in the world when what they mean is they have manged to market it globally on the back of the heritage of English football - Sky pay the big buck and clubs are desperate to buy in big talent because they need success NOW rather than longer term ambitions... and that costs more than they get from Sky - cant blame Arsenal for this, depsite their £62 a ticket, they still cant compete.

 

There willl nver bethe will of the big clubs to change the ownership model to one of 51% fan ownership...

 

No the Germans get paid hugely but they get paid wisely, they get paid in massive sums by their sponsors, a far better way than taking it out the fans pocket.

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...and then charged QPR fans £32 for the same seats for their next home game. City are as guilty as Arsenal.

 

 

 

If only.

 

I hate the premiership and sky and everything Murdoch stands for but what can we do, its the one thing we cant change, our love for the game, its should be the peoples not the corporations.

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I don't live too far from Highbury and watching the tourists traipsing to see them is embarrassing, and that's not even starting on the massive amount of plastic arsenal fans that i work with.

 

It seems that every posh kid that moves to London these days "supports" Arsenal and when you speak to them about ticket prices they always go on about how it's "entertainment" and people shouldn't moan about ticket prices since that's what it costs.

 

Seriously if that's the price your club pays to become a "global brand" like some on here want for saints then you can fu.cking stuff it. I'd rather watch us in league one with a real fanbase and sensibly priced tickets than compete in the champions league in a silent stadium full of plastics/tourists whilst i have to watch at home on a stream because i can't afford to go anymore.

 

AGAINST MODERN FOOTBALL

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I hate the premiership and sky and everything Murdoch stands for but what can we do, its the one thing we cant change, our love for the game, its should be the peoples not the corporations.

 

I hate the premiership/sky etc too and have made my point by not going to any game priced over £40, if we all did it (and i mean by that all fans not just saints fans) then finally clubs would take notice.

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I don't live too far from Highbury and watching the tourists traipsing to see them is embarrassing, and that's not even starting on the massive amount of plastic arsenal fans that i work with.

 

It seems that every posh kid that moves to London these days "supports" Arsenal and when you speak to them about ticket prices they always go on about how it's "entertainment" and people shouldn't moan about ticket prices since that's what it costs.

 

Seriously if that's the price your club pays to become a "global brand" like some on here want for saints then you can fu.cking stuff it. I'd rather watch us in league one with a real fanbase and sensibly priced tickets than compete in the champions league in a silent stadium full of plastics/tourists whilst i have to watch at home on a stream because i can't afford to go anymore.

 

AGAINST MODERN FOOTBALL

 

I loved us in the Championship, thats does not mean I want us there again though, its so clean and plastic now.

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No one would disagree that German football has had a renaisance since their hosting of the world cup - but prior to that it was not in great shape - clubs had to buy into what the DFB was wanting to and they did because they recognised the advantage to all clubs if there were improvements across all aspects of the game.

 

As is typical over tehir, grounds are not owned by clubs but local councils and there was huge investment all and new builds that meant most Bundes liga clubs ended up with new or improved stadia without any outlay.

 

Then you have a cultural difference - players there still do not get paid the same level as in the prem, so clubs still loose their best players - but tehy do stay until early 20s rather than fecking off for big bucks at 16/17... so many things in teir favour.

 

The issue is not Arsenal charging what they can get away with, but with the prem itself - believing its own hype that its the best league in the world when what they mean is they have manged to market it globally on the back of the heritage of English football - Sky pay the big buck and clubs are desperate to buy in big talent because they need success NOW rather than longer term ambitions... and that costs more than they get from Sky - cant blame Arsenal for this, depsite their £62 a ticket, they still cant compete.

 

There willl nver bethe will of the big clubs to change the ownership model to one of 51% fan ownership...

I'm not sure why everyone always refers to German football. They still have plenty of tickets that sell for £40-50. They are fortunate to have lots of very big grounds, so as English clubs do, their prices in the main reflect supply and demand for the matches.

 

Everything is a rip off these days - have you seen the prices for this coming summer's ashes? Or for a big music festival? It's not unique to football. I hate the prices charged by a lot of clubs, but there is very little that can be done about it.

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I'm not sure why everyone always refers to German football. They still have plenty of tickets that sell for £40-50. They are fortunate to have lots of very big grounds, so as English clubs do, their prices in the main reflect supply and demand for the matches.

 

Everything is a rip off these days - have you seen the prices for this coming summer's ashes? Or for a big music festival? It's not unique to football. I hate the prices charged by a lot of clubs, but there is very little that can be done about it.

 

What Bundesliga tickets are that price?

 

As a note of supply and demand, look at this attendances, they could get more I would imagine. Complete rip off, pay more get less atmosphere, home grown players and ownership of how your club operates.

 

http://itv.stats.football365.com/dom/GER/BL/attend.html

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I hate the premiership/sky etc too and have made my point by not going to any game priced over £40, if we all did it (and i mean by that all fans not just saints fans) then finally clubs would take notice.

 

Spot on. I haven't/won't be going to any over £40 games either. I would have missed Villa at £35 it it hadn't been so close to home.

 

I made the exception for City as I'd promised my lad but even he bulks at the prices.

 

Thankfully I've the use of freebie corporate's for OT so my lad isn't dipping out there.

 

I'll not be renewing my ST if we stay up due to the cost and the constant changing of KO times so midland/northern away games only for me from next season.

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I thought they were not sold at over $20 euro a ticket, and I thought clubs limited the number of season tickets sold so therefore everyone had a far greater chance of season their team?
If you can get a ticket for a terrace, then you're laughing it is a bargain, but seats at most big grounds go for £30-£50.
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As Sour Mash said, it seems everything is getting so expensive. Sad society when working people are getting priced out of everything.

Going to a gig at the o2 sets you back £50, and Ashes tickets this year are ridiculous.

 

There really needs to be a mass boycott, in terms of football, but course its never going to happen anytime soon i know. Have to hit them in their pockets.

 

Good new magazine called 'Stand Against Modern football' which seems to be gaining a bit of momentum.

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Wouldn't surprise me to see some clubs like Arsenal & Chelsea increase their prices even more. See how far they can push it.

 

They see 90% full at 70 quid a ticket better than 100% full at 'only' 40 quid a ticket. They don't really care who is going to watching the game (diehard fans or tourists) as long as the tickets sell.

 

If the bubble goes POP! then they'll do some patronizing ad campaign about how they have listened to their loyal fans and are dropping prices.

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