Barry Sanchez Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 Thank you, I can honestly say this I love the saints and I dont want Di Matteo in really either, I do want a bit more openess and honesty from the board and that was something that was assured when they took over but in fact its probably got worse, Marcus I miss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 Gross isn't a high profile manager though, he's pretty much failed outside of Switzerland and his record with Spurs makes him unsuitable for any English club IMO, doubt he will attract any more decent players than Adkins. Di Matteo I suppose has a higher profile but I wonder how long that will last, he's hardly been snapped up by other clubs. I agree TBH RDM won the CL with chelsea, Im not going to belittle his achievement, winning at Barca and Bayern was fantastic. I dont really see how it was his tactics though, it was the only tactics that would be employed TBH, defend and try to nick a goal, in reality his job was to motivate, and they had probably done that themselves. Gross, fantastic at Basel, nowhere else really. But I dont think the mail really know who our targets are, RDM is an obvious, Gross probably name out of a hat and Adkins being under review is probably a given really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 (edited) I'm not talking about Gross specifically, really don't think he is a possibility. More high profile managers generally. Di Matteo, for example, was a top player and has a champions league win under his belt as a manager. One of the main reasons given for Michu join Swansea was playing for Laudrup. Some players would play for a manager like that rather than having to google Nigel Adkins. Fair enough don't think Di Matteo really qualifies either though. Laudrup has done very well at Swansea in fact Swansea have done very well full stop. I thought they would stuggle after losing Rodgers, but they have kicked on and Laudrup is a big factor in that so you definitely have a point. Thing is not sure who we could appoint in that mould, Rafa will be free at the end of the season. We still got in Gaston though, I doubt he knew who Adkins is, doubt he even know's what he's going on about half the time but maybe just meeting Adkins will work for some players as he 'sells the project' very well and fits in with our ethos, which along with his positivity might make some players want to work for him. Anyway I don;t think with all the llinked targets and the money we are potentially spending that Adkins is going to be sacked any time soon, but if we spend in January and don't stay up then he'll be gone I reckon. I agree TBH RDM won the CL with chelsea, Im not going to belittle his achievement, winning at Barca and Bayern was fantastic. I dont really see how it was his tactics though, it was the only tactics that would be employed TBH, defend and try to nick a goal, in reality his job was to motivate, and they had probably done that themselves. Gross, fantastic at Basel, nowhere else really. But I dont think the mail really know who our targets are, RDM is an obvious, Gross probably name out of a hat and Adkins being under review is probably a given really. 6 months at Chelsea doesn't make a manager, he has potential as a manager but his record at WBA who were in a similar position to us worries me. Gross is available I suppose, manager with European experience that's available and a bit of Swiss link with Cortese, similar to when Rafa was linked I reckon, manager with good european experience and was available. Essentially the media reckon if we are replacing Adkins then it will be with someone high profile (ish) from the continent rather than a young British manager. Edited 10 January, 2013 by tajjuk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 Is it all ******** when they have us linked with astori, coutinho etc? Talk about the happy-clappies cherry-picking their paper gossip.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 Talk about the happy-clappies cherry-picking their paper gossip.. What's the opposite of being happy clappy Alpine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 What's the opposite of being happy clappy Alpine? Sad Stomper ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 Fair enough don't think Di Matteo really qualifies either though. Laudrup has done very well at Swansea in fact Swansea have done very well full stop. I thought they would stuggle after losing Rodgers, but they have kicked on and Laudrup is a big factor in that so you definitely have a point. Thing is not sure who we could appoint in that mould, Rafa will be free at the end of the season. We still got in Gaston though, I doubt he knew who Adkins is, doubt he even know's what he's going on about half the time but maybe just meeting Adkins will work for some players as he 'sells the project' very well and fits in with our ethos, which along with his positivity might make some players want to work for him. Anyway I don;t think with all the llinked targets and the money we are potentially spending that Adkins is going to be sacked any time soon, but if we spend in January and don't stay up then he'll be gone I reckon. Agree with all of this 6 months at Chelsea doesn't make a manager, he has potential as a manager but his record at WBA who were in a similar position to us worries me. Gross is available I suppose, manager with European experience that's available and a bit of Swiss link with Cortese, similar to when Rafa was linked I reckon, manager with good european experience and was available. Essentially the media reckon if we are replacing Adkins then it will be with someone high profile (ish) from the continent rather than a young British manager. The above was what I was saying in regards to RDM, basically Chelsea galvanised and won it themselves, the jury is still out for me. Players will play for him though, as he has won the CL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 Talk about the happy-clappies cherry-picking their paper gossip.. Any need to come on here and post your usual inflammatory crap to get a rise ? The discusion was going quite well, lets not derail it eh !? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 Any need to come on here and post your usual inflammatory crap to get a rise ? The discusion was going quite well, lets not derail it eh !? Well, to continue with the discussion in a meaninful manner, it seems to me it is best to discuss each story on its merits from a theoretical perspective, assuming it to be true. Its not me who stomps on to here writing "Oh, its only the genitally and intellecutally disavantaged Nazi journos at the DM causing trouble - ignore", is it ? Who is trying to get the rise ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaneNero Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 In adkins we trust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 Well, to continue with the discussion in a meaninful manner, it seems to me it is best to discuss each story on its merits from a theoretical perspective, assuming it to be true. Its not me who stomps on to here writing "Oh, its only the genitally and intellecutally disavantaged Nazi journos at the DM causing trouble - ignore", is it ? Who is trying to get the rise ? You know full well the post I quoted wasnt for discussion though was it ? And we have already spoken about how dependant on the perspective of the writer seems to denote whether or not the article is reliable, for instance a happy clappy will say this is unreliable, you however would probably disagree. It needs some objectivity, not just a knee jerk reaction. All in all though your post was designed to get a reaction, that Im sure of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 The above was what I was saying in regards to RDM, basically Chelsea galvanised and won it themselves, the jury is still out for me. Players will play for him though, as he has won the CL I think John Terry, Frank Lampard and whilst he was there Drogba ran that Chelsea team and have done really since Mourinho left, they literrally didn't play for AVB because they didn't respect him and he wanted to do somehting different. His stint at Spurs I think is showing he's a good manager. Whereas there was abit more respect for RDM, as ex-chelsea, but I wonder how 'in-charge' he was. Also like I said his WBA stint doesn't convince me he will do antyhing different from Adkins, got them promoted playing nice football, continued to play nice football in the prem, won some plaudits but not many points. Got sacked and Hodgson took the same team to 11th. If we get rid of Adkins then I would like to see someone of the Hodgson mould, but I think Adkins is learning, his set ups in recent games are in contrast to the 'we play 4-3-3, we'll attack' stance at the start of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 Do I get some SWF cool points if I say that this is a fanstic article and that there is definitely something in this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 (edited) I am a happy clapper..thank you Fluuuuucking idiots... Or as some would say some right winkers running Saints down all the time. I am with our Manager and so is Uncle Nic.. The other two would not even get a look in at Saints.. Gross and DE Matteo...not in the same league as NA Edited 10 January, 2013 by ottery st mary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 (edited) I haven't read this thread as I think it's made up speculation. What I do know from two very good sources, 1) Cortese's previous PA, 2) The sister of his current PA (son's best mate's girlfriend). NOBODY that works close to Cortese talks about anything to do with Cortese or the club, ever. Edited 10 January, 2013 by derry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 I haven't read this thread as I think it's made up speculation. What I do know from two very good sources, 1) Cortese's previous PA, 2) The sister of his current PA (son's best mates girlfriend). NOBODY that works close to Cortese talks about anything to do with Cortese or the club ever. Except his PA's and PA's sisters apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 Except his PA's and PA's sisters apparently. Maybe the first one is an 'ex-PA' for a reason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 Except his PA's and PA's sisters apparently. Only to say that they never discuss work. I've never heard even a snippet from either. Even the PA that has left won't comment about anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 Only to say that they never discuss work. I've never heard even a snippet from either. Even the PA that has left won't comment about anything. Yeah i got it i was only teasing. Good to hear! I believe the technical term is Omertà Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_John Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 The same reporter (Sami Mokbel) gave us this story in the past http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1354685/Southampton-players-told-boycott-125th-centenary-dinner-Keegan-McMenemy--Co.html and the quotes in that article came from a certain group !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 Maybe the first one is an 'ex-PA' for a reason? He offered her a choice of jobs not to leave. I think she needed a change from the 24/7 environment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie May Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 If we sack Adkins and hire Gross, it'll be a bigger disaster than the Dutch experiment. Down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 Only to say that they never discuss work. I've never heard even a snippet from either. Even the PA that has left won't comment about anything. That's outrageous, people need to know things you know, anything, they just need to know or their lives will not be complete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 The very idea that our Italio/Swiss Chairman would look towards Italy, or Switzerland, to find players and managers is of course very wide of the mark. For that matter the nasty rumour going about that the whole Saints franchise is on the verge of moving to Milan is entirely without foundation in fact ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 Talk about the happy-clappies cherry-picking their paper gossip.. In balance the "sad stompers", as you put it, are just as quick to dispel anything positive as propaganda. On Di Matteo, I really question how much of those two trophies were down to him. It wasn't a squad he assembled, even during the summer it's doubtful he had any input whatsoever into transfers. It seemed quite clear that the team was effectively being managed by Terry, Lampard & Drogba. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 In balance the "sad stompers", as you put it, are just as quick to dispel anything positive as propaganda. On Di Matteo, I really question how much of those two trophies were down to him. It wasn't a squad he assembled, even during the summer it's doubtful he had any input whatsoever into transfers. It seemed quite clear that the team was effectively being managed by Terry, Lampard & Drogba. I dont, all I was saying yesterday was lets get a balance and I got hammered for it, overreaction by the rainbow watchers, people in all different manners of life are selfish and only see what they want to see, a fat person looking in the mirror in denial etc etc seeing only positive or negative things is exactly the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 I dont, all I was saying yesterday was lets get a balance and I got hammered for it, overreaction by the rainbow watchers, people in all different manners of life are selfish and only see what they want to see, a fat person looking in the mirror in denial etc etc seeing only positive or negative things is exactly the same. Ok Mr. Paranoid. I didn't say you did, did I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 I think you may be struggling. I'm not talking about why Adkins will be sacked. I'm posing the question, given the sort of played Cortese wants at this club, are we still the right club for him and would the club be easier to sell to players if we had s higher profile manager. Know what you mean, but I think the level of any contract/wage probably plays a bigger part in it these days, especially as the type of player we are currently going for, are those on the fringes of being looked at by bigger clubs - and possibly have nothing to lose by comming to saints - if we progress as Cortese would like, then all well and good and if we dont, they have the stepping stone/shop window within the prem game. Always a very difficult question - think everyone agrees that as Adkins gains more experience, tactcal nous and better players to work with he has the potential to be very good and good for saints - and that in itself will increase his profile... and he is a decent honorable bloke who most fans like, and also deserving of a proper chance.... BUT ultimately it has to be about whether he can learn quickly enough to keep pace with the expectation of Cortese (and some fans). eg. I dont see relegation as a complete nightmare that some fans (and probably Cortese) seem to - we are in a far bettre position than last time and could see us bouncing back - but suspect for Cortese its simply not an option and guess he will act if he feels we stand a better chance of survival with someone else. Easy to express opinion that there is a right and wrong here, but think its always alot more complex. I believe Cortse would love to keep Adkins and maintain that consistency and continuity, and because he seems comfortable working with the chairman - let alone avoid expensive payoffs, but will recognise that if Adkins is struggling in this important season, may look at alternatives - also feel he wuld defo go for a continental manager who is used to having to work with what they are given and inputs but does not dictate transfers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzmeister Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 I'm not talking about Gross specifically, really don't think he is a possibility. More high profile managers generally. Di Matteo, for example, was a top player and has a champions league win under his belt as a manager. One of the main reasons given for Michu join Swansea was playing for Laudrup. Some players would play for a manager like that rather than having to Google Nigel Adkins. This statement kinda annoys me. Whilst I don't deny in the slightest its true how does an up and coming manager have anyway of establishing himself? Any player in the world would play for Alex Ferguson now but when he fist started out at Man U he was just a bloke from Aberdeen who won the Sottish title with them - probably not dissimilar to Adkins record at Saints. What Ferguson had was a influx of top quality academy players, and a few big name players. He coached them into a successful team, won honers and built his reputation. That starting position doesn't sound too dissimilar to Adkins potential position now. Also from a young (English) player perspective I would find our Nige much more approachable than a big name who they may be to 'awe struck' to talk honestly too (that is completely opinion though, and I appreciate a sweeping statement). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 Everyone knows what I think about Adkins so no point in re-stating it. For me his management of the GK situation merits sacking him all by itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 (edited) Everyone knows what I think about Adkins so no point in re-stating it. For me his management of the GK situation merits sacking him all by itself. Wonder how many managers you would get through if you were a chairman... Edited 10 January, 2013 by Dig Dig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 I almost think its more likely that NA will get the sack if stay up than if we go down. There aren't many managers i'd rather have when gunning for promotion in the NPC, but I also can see the positives of a higher profile in attracting better players and achieving Cortese's aims. I really hope he sticks around though. Would love him to stay as Manager for the next 10 years and increase his own reputation as the club continues to grow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 Everyone knows what I think about Adkins so no point in re-stating it. For me his management of the GK situation merits sacking him all by itself. And what do successive promotions merit? Lucky for us you aren't the Saints chairman if you would sack someone for the reason stated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 And what do successive promotions merit? In Premier League terms, nothing whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 And what do successive promotions merit? Lucky for us you aren't the Saints chairman if you would sack someone for the reason stated. right now...nothing what so ever....time (which he has had) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 This statement kinda annoys me. Whilst I don't deny in the slightest its true how does an up and coming manager have anyway of establishing himself? Any player in the world would play for Alex Ferguson now but when he fist started out at Man U he was just a bloke from Aberdeen who won the Sottish title with them - probably not dissimilar to Adkins record at Saints. What Ferguson had was a influx of top quality academy players, and a few big name players. He coached them into a successful team, won honers and built his reputation. That starting position doesn't sound too dissimilar to Adkins potential position now. Also from a young (English) player perspective I would find our Nige much more approachable than a big name who they may be to 'awe struck' to talk honestly too (that is completely opinion though, and I appreciate a sweeping statement). You're comparing Ferguson when he started at Man Utd to Adkins now? Completely different situations - Ferguson had one two European trophies and won the Scottish League when it was at a much higher level than it is now. Furthermore, he was manager of one of the biggerst clubs in the world and could therefore attract players regardless, teams like Saints and Swansea don't have that pull as a a club alone. And finally the world of football has changed completely since then - most British based players would know of the managers in at least the top two divisions, players from around the world would only recognise big "international" names. Personally don't care whether he can attract players or not, happy to keep Adkins as I like the bloke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 right now...nothing what so ever....time (which he has had) I would say (IMO) that successive promotions count for a lot. They show that NA is a Manager who has actually achieved something tangible (which a lot haven't) and has made many more correct decisions than incorrect ones in his tenure. That, rightly, he is extremely well liked and highly thought of at SMS by fans, players and Senior Management. That he fits into the culture of the club and understands the vision Cortese has set out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 I would say (IMO) that successive promotions count for a lot. They show that NA is a Manager who has actually achieved something tangible (which a lot haven't) and has made many more correct decisions than incorrect ones in his tenure. That, rightly, he is extremely well liked and highly thought of at SMS by fans, players and Senior Management. That he fits into the culture of the club and understands the vision Cortese has set out. at the moment..he is right up there with paul jewell and phil brown...maybe even ady boothroyd... two of which kept their team up in the prem, first go with no where near the playing squad/money we have got.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 I think you may be struggling. I'm not talking about why Adkins will be sacked. I'm posing the question, given the sort of played Cortese wants at this club, are we still the right club for him and would the club be easier to sell to players if we had s higher profile manager. Oh right, fair enough you're not talking about why Adkins will be sacked. Maybe you're on the wrong thread then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 at the moment..he is right up there with paul jewell and phil brown...maybe even ady boothroyd... two of which kept their team up in the prem, first go with no where near the playing squad/money we have got.... IMO (and probably yours too behind the facade) Adkins is far, far superior to those above Managers. I wouldn't swap him for them. Whilst Managing Saints and S****horpe he has been promoted in more than half his seasons as Manager - the others don't have stats like those. Boothroyd has failed in 3 out of his 4 jobs. I can't see one that Adkins has failed in? Brown applies for everything going but ultimately had one and half good seasons at Hull. I don't see the similarity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 I think you may be struggling. I'm not talking about why Adkins will be sacked. I'm posing the question, given the sort of played Cortese wants at this club, are we still the right club for him and would the club be easier to sell to players if we had s higher profile manager. Know what you mean, but I think the level of any contract/wage probably plays a bigger part in it these days, especially as the type of player we are currently going for, are those on the fringes of being looked at by bigger clubs - and possibly have nothing to lose by comming to saints - if we progress as Cortese would like, then all well and good and if we dont, they have the stepping stone/shop window within the prem game. Always a very difficult question - think everyone agrees that as Adkins gains more experience, tactcal nous and better players to work with he has the potential to be very good and good for saints - and that in itself will increase his profile... and he is a decent honorable bloke who most fans like, and also deserving of a proper chance.... BUT ultimately it has to be about whether he can learn quickly enough to keep pace with the expectation of Cortese (and some fans). eg. I dont see relegation as a complete nightmare that some fans (and probably Cortese) seem to - we are in a far bettre position than last time and could see us bouncing back - but suspect for Cortese its simply not an option and guess he will act if he feels we stand a better chance of survival with someone else. Easy to express opinion that there is a right and wrong here, but think its always alot more complex. I believe Cortse would love to keep Adkins and maintain that consistency and continuity, and because he seems comfortable working with the chairman - let alone avoid expensive payoffs, but will recognise that if Adkins is struggling in this important season, may look at alternatives - also feel he wuld defo go for a continental manager who is used to having to work with what they are given and inputs but does not dictate transfers. No Frank you must be struggling too. He's not talking about why Adkins will be sacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 This statement kinda annoys me. Whilst I don't deny in the slightest its true how does an up and coming manager have anyway of establishing himself? Any player in the world would play for Alex Ferguson now but when he fist started out at Man U he was just a bloke from Aberdeen who won the Sottish title with them - probably not dissimilar to Adkins record at Saints. What Ferguson had was a influx of top quality academy players, and a few big name players. He coached them into a successful team, won honers and built his reputation. That starting position doesn't sound too dissimilar to Adkins potential position now. Also from a young (English) player perspective I would find our Nige much more approachable than a big name who they may be to 'awe struck' to talk honestly too (that is completely opinion though, and I appreciate a sweeping statement). Why does it annoy you? It's true, you say so yourself. I know a lot of people look at everything in a cute, naive way but that doesn't mean that is how it is. In the real world it's very, very difficult for an upcoming manager to prove themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 IMO (and probably yours too behind the facade) Adkins is far, far superior to those above Managers. I wouldn't swap him for them. Whilst Managing Saints and S****horpe he has been promoted for more than half his seasons as Manager - the others don't have stats like those. Boothroyd has failed in 3 out of his 4 jobs. I can't see one that Adkins has failed in? far far superior.?..if we stay up...then maybe..but paul jewell and phil brown (no matter how you slice it) kept their teams up with no where near the money spent or as talanted squads yet if adkins takes us down..he is still better than these...hard to argue objectively that he is imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 at the moment..he is right up there with paul jewell and phil brown...maybe even ady boothroyd... two of which kept their team up in the prem, first go with no where near the playing squad/money we have got.... Currently Adkins has a 51% overall win percentage in his managerial career. Phil Brown - 30% Paul Jewell - 38% Aidy Boothroyd - 37% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 Currently Adkins has a 51% overall win percentage in his managerial career. Phil Brown - 30% Paul Jewell - 38% Aidy Boothroyd - 37% im talking premier league....a 50% win ratio in league 1 means diddly squat for the villa game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 Oh right, fair enough you're not talking about why Adkins will be sacked. Maybe you're on the wrong thread then. Why are you getting stroppy? Nick G said that managers need to be at the right club, I posed the question that now, given the players Cortese wants to bring in, are we still the right club for him, or do we need and benefit from a higher profile manager. Just because you cant comprehend the point its no need to hijack the thread, other people have managed to understand it without sulking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 In the immediate Adkins' future will probably be decided by the results of the away games against Villa and Wigan. If we're in the bottom 3 after those 2 then I'd think it's curtains for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 means diddly squat for the villa game What about... 22nd September 2012 - Southampton 4 Aston Villa 1 We played them off the park in the second half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 Know what you mean, but I think the level of any contract/wage probably plays a bigger part in it these days, especially as the type of player we are currently going for, are those on the fringes of being looked at by bigger clubs - and possibly have nothing to lose by comming to saints - if we progress as Cortese would like, then all well and good and if we dont, they have the stepping stone/shop window within the prem game. Always a very difficult question - think everyone agrees that as Adkins gains more experience, tactcal nous and better players to work with he has the potential to be very good and good for saints - and that in itself will increase his profile... and he is a decent honorable bloke who most fans like, and also deserving of a proper chance.... BUT ultimately it has to be about whether he can learn quickly enough to keep pace with the expectation of Cortese (and some fans). eg. I dont see relegation as a complete nightmare that some fans (and probably Cortese) seem to - we are in a far bettre position than last time and could see us bouncing back - but suspect for Cortese its simply not an option and guess he will act if he feels we stand a better chance of survival with someone else. Easy to express opinion that there is a right and wrong here, but think its always alot more complex. I believe Cortse would love to keep Adkins and maintain that consistency and continuity, and because he seems comfortable working with the chairman - let alone avoid expensive payoffs, but will recognise that if Adkins is struggling in this important season, may look at alternatives - also feel he wuld defo go for a continental manager who is used to having to work with what they are given and inputs but does not dictate transfers. I work with an ex pro. He was on saints books and got released but played for a couple of L1 and L2 clubs before ending up playing non league. He tells me when Souness was here, some players only joined because of him. Also he himself signed for a L2 club because of who the manager was, a former premier league player. I know it's a lower level but the principle remains the same BTW I'm not for one minute advocating Adkins being sacked, just posing the question for discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 What about... 22nd September 2012 - Southampton 4 Aston Villa 1 We played them off the park in the second half. and yet they are still doing better than us...despite everyone in agreement on how utterly terrible they are...what does that make us...? and they are one game away from wembley.... I do think we will win at the weekend..but right now, they are higher up the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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