Bailey Posted 9 January, 2013 Share Posted 9 January, 2013 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2259795/Southampton-consider-Christian-Gross-Roberto-Di-Matteo.html Can only hope this is pure speculation and nothing more. Remain fully behind Adkins and the team, and wouldn't want either of these two taking over in any case! In Adkins I trust, but do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 9 January, 2013 Share Posted 9 January, 2013 A certain someone is going to need clean boxers when they see this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 9 January, 2013 Share Posted 9 January, 2013 I'd have Adkins all day over Gross. Di Matteo on the other hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkshire Saint Posted 9 January, 2013 Share Posted 9 January, 2013 Oh dear, appointing Christian Gross would amuse the rest of the league (I know his record since Spurs is decent). Quite like it referring to our 'recent revival' and 'steady improvement' and then saying we've only won once in eight in the space of a couple of paragraphs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 9 January, 2013 Share Posted 9 January, 2013 Imagine us going to Stamford Bridge next week with Di Matteo as our manager, they would be fuming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 (edited) That article has said nothing of fact and is just stating what we can see pretending to be in the know. Of course his position isn't secure, we are 17th! If we were 8th then yeah he's the man, but we are 17th. Media trying to drum up "el sackico" again. Same manager is going to survive and we can add a second manager to the list of "managers sacked by saints" (crossing my fingers for Redknapp and Pards to be on that list later in the season too) Edited 10 January, 2013 by pingwing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 Oh dear, appointing Christian Gross would amuse the rest of the league (I know his record since Spurs is decent). Quite like it referring to our 'recent revival' and 'steady improvement' and then saying we've only won once in eight in the space of a couple of paragraphs! Or three wins and two defeats in the last nine league games. But of course there's no story in that. Statistics, statistics... Blah, blah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSaint Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 Article is by the same guy that claimed Arsenal were going to discuss a move for Shaw on new years day which didn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Saint Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 scaremongering bunch of a*se......what this club needs is stability.....another change of manager is not what we need......in NA I trust... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 (edited) Negative, dont believe it for a minute, absolute speculation, myth and rumour. Edited 10 January, 2013 by Barry Sanchez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 Said it before, just got a feeling we're going to end up with Di Matteo regardless of what else happens. Personally think Di Matteo is well overrated anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 Sami Mokbel, having clicked on his name, seems to write a lot about nothing. A lot of twaddle and incorrect speculation. Just click on his name and have a read of the headlines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 Said it before, just got a feeling we're going to end up with Di Matteo regardless of what else happens. Personally think Di Matteo is well overrated anyway. From the only snippet I have heard from someone who works at SMS. Is that of we stay up, it has been mentioned that di Matteo may come in WITH ray Wilkins as his right hand man with majority of the coaching staff remaining. I really get the impression that Adkins will go in the summer should we stay up. Much like improving the squad. I think the manager will be upgraded should the right person come available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 Article is by the same guy that claimed Arsenal were going to discuss a move for Shaw on new years day which didn't happen. How do you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 Said it before, just got a feeling we're going to end up with Di Matteo regardless of what else happens. Personally think Di Matteo is well overrated anyway. Yeah, also think this. No smoke without fire... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick1976.4.38 Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 christian gross,do me a favour,where do these reporters dream up such tosh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSaint Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 How do you know? Adkins flat out denying any such meeting took place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 Said it before, just got a feeling we're going to end up with Di Matteo regardless of what else happens. Personally think Di Matteo is well overrated anyway. Agree, his record, apart from fa cup and champions league lol!, is not that good. Wba sacked him failing in premiership, replaced with Appleton who did much better, iirc. Big name but probably not as good manager as Nigel. Managers need right club, may come, may do amazing, gut feeling...we would finish higher if we keep NA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 I think the villa game will go a long way in deciding his fate tbh. While we have had a bit of improvement results wise it isn't that much really. Still only one win in eight. The next 4 games on paper look brutal. We can forget about getting anything at Man utd and Chelsea but Villa and Everton will be big games. If we come out of January with one draw and 5 losses he will be gone. Only Saints fans would turn their noses up at a guy who won a European and domestic cup... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintsmike25 Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 It's the Daily Mail, which are about as accurate when it comes to reporting as Guly is when it comes to shooting. They thrive off poor journalism and make-believe sources. Awful paper, that is just the sport. Don't get me started on the "news" side of it. Clearly Adkins is staying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 I think the villa game will go a long way in deciding his fate tbh. While we have had a bit of improvement results wise it isn't that much really. Still only one win in eight. The next 4 games on paper look brutal. We can forget about getting anything at Man utd and Chelsea but Villa and Everton will be big games. If we come out of January with one draw and 5 losses he will be gone. Only Saints fans would turn their noses up at a guy who won a European and domestic cup... Read up on him, do you realise he was Chelsea manager for only 5 months? Before that was sacked from wba winning one in ten. Easy for those not knowing much about getting excited about the champions league , winning four games in Europe gave Chelsea a great achievement, his wba is more like job he would face here. As said before though, those trophy's and his playing career will attract players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocco boxo Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 Just before Christmas got Adkins at 20-1 to be next PL manager sacked. Far from wanting him sacked, I thought Bet Victor had got their odds wrong, so decided to have a £5 wager. Hope I do not collect but got a horrible feeling a loss saturday and then a stuffing at the Bridge and I will. Gross FFS, rather have Zola than Di Mattieo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 (edited) Said it before, just got a feeling we're going to end up with Di Matteo regardless of what else happens. Personally think Di Matteo is well overrated anyway. And his taste in Match day jackets leaves something to be desired edit ... sorry, I was thinking of Di Canio IMHO Di Matteo is a good Manager Edited 10 January, 2013 by SaintRichmond wrong bloke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK the 2nd Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 About a 10/1 chance in the sack race so doesn't look too likely. However NA has shortened up in the betting from around 20/1 a week or so ago. No smoke ...? I, for one, hope he stays, keeps us up this year and goes on to achieve great things at the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 Adkins is always going to be in the firing line whilst we are near the bottom and there is always going to be speculation but it is no different to every other clubs manager who are not doing so well.......personally I think his time is limited but this could all change at any point after a decent run of wins,but this is probably no different to most other managers in all of the leagues bar 2 or 3.......what makes us any different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 Not Gross, please no. I couldn't cope with that. He just isn't Saints. Di Matteo got flukey with the Champions League and his old Chelski pals played well for their old mate and largely managed themselves. I could win something with that squad FFS I don't think it would be a happy story R d-M at Saints with our sort of squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 Not Gross, please no. I couldn't cope with that. He just isn't Saints. Di Matteo got flukey with the Champions League and his old Chelski pals played well for their old mate and largely managed themselves. I could win something with that squad FFS I don't think it would be a happy story R d-M at Saints with our sort of squad. FWIW, if we stay up, surely Adkins won't deserve the sack. But don't underestimate the tactical nous that Di Matteo displayed by beating Barcelona over 2 legs, and Bayern in their own backyard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 FWIW, if we stay up, surely Adkins won't deserve the sack. But don't underestimate the tactical nous that Di Matteo displayed by beating Barcelona over 2 legs, and Bayern in their own backyard. Tactical nous, defend like hell, get really lucky, nick a goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 Why does the media love Di Mateo so much? Jesus Christ, I could have had a good go at winning the CL final with that Chelsea team. A change now is the last thing the team needs, 2 or 3 decent signings and we will pull away from the bottom 3, and NA will cement his place in the dugout. And if Cortese sacks him and appoints Gross, I will personally walk over to the directors box and ***** slap him with my season ticket a few times... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 Good to see that yet another none positive article is immediately dismissed as bullsh*t and lies in a terrible paper that only prints made up stories. The same paper who by coincidence only a week ago prodcued this article which people we're cracking one put over. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2060821/After-Walcott-Bale-Oxlade-Chamberlain-Southampton-aiming-create-new-golden-generation-England.html And this article only 3 days ago which had a similar effect. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2258132/Southampton-set-sign-12m-Liverpool-target-Davide-Astori-Italy.html Are we too assume that these stories were also made up, lies and crap journalism? Or might there be some truth in all of them? Whch one is it Saintsweb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 Yeah, also think this. No smoke without fire... A statement typically used to verify any old cr@p that some random geezer has blown out of their backsides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 Good to see that yet another none positive article is immediately dismissed as bullsh*t and lies in a terrible paper that only prints made up stories. The same paper who by coincidence only a week ago prodcued this article which people we're cracking one put over. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2060821/After-Walcott-Bale-Oxlade-Chamberlain-Southampton-aiming-create-new-golden-generation-England.html And this article only 3 days ago which had a similar effect. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2258132/Southampton-set-sign-12m-Liverpool-target-Davide-Astori-Italy.html Are we too assume that these stories were also made up, lies and crap journalism? Or might there be some truth in all of them? Whch one is it Saintsweb? Seeing as only 6 Saintswebbers have thus far dismissed this Daily Mail article out of hand it might be more pertinent to ask them individually. One assumes the other 99% of Saintswebbers are more ambivalent to the musings of this particular journal... Edit: just seen another one....make that 7 in total Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 (edited) Agree, his record, apart from fa cup and champions league lol!, is not that good. Wba sacked him failing in premiership, replaced with Appleton who did much better, iirc. Big name but probably not as good manager as Nigel. Managers need right club, may come, may do amazing, gut feeling...we would finish higher if we keep NA Okay let's throw this into the mix. You rightly say managers need the right club. Few would argue that in 2011 we were the right club for Adkins and he was the right man for us. A big club, underperforming with a good squad and needed a manager to guide them to promotion which Adkins did not once but twice. However, are we NOW the right club for him? Cortese claims to want European football, is off all over the world trying to sign top young talent and spending tens of millions in the transfer market, outbidding clubs like Liverpool and Napoli. Not many people outside of hants and S****horpe would know anything about Nigel Adkins, so when Cortese is talking to the likes of Astori and Coutiho and he asks them 'wanna come to Southampton and play for Nigel Adkins?' or 'wanna come to Southampton and play for champions league winner Roberto Di Matteo (for example)?' which one will be the bigger draw? Edited 10 January, 2013 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 Why does the media love Di Mateo so much? Jesus Christ, I could have had a good go at winning the CL final with that Chelsea team. A change now is the last thing the team needs, 2 or 3 decent signings and we will pull away from the bottom 3, and NA will cement his place in the dugout. And if Cortese sacks him and appoints Gross, I will personally walk over to the directors box and ***** slap him with my season ticket a few times... For this reason I hope it happens. I would love to see this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 Okay let's throw this into the mix. You rightly say managers need the right club. Few would argue that in 2011 we were the right club for Adkins and he was the right man for us. A big club, underperforming with a good squad and needed a manager to guide them to promotion which Adkins did not once but twice. However, are we NOW the right club for him? Cortese claims to want European football, is off all over the world trying to sign top young talent and spending tens of millions in the transfer market, outbidding clubs like Liverpool and Napoli. Not many people outside of hants and S****horpe would know anything about Nigel Adkins, so when Cortese is talking to the likes of Astori and Coutiho and he asks them 'wanna come to Southampton and play for Nigel Adkins?' or 'wanna come to Southampton and play for champions league winner Roberto Di Matteo (for example)?' which one will be the bigger draw? And Gross, will he attract the cream of Europe. Anyway the article is referring to Adkins' results as the reason for his job being alledgedly under threat not his so called inability to assist the transfer committee in attracting players to the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 (edited) So, what is it with you lot and only accepting positive news stories no matter how rediculous, yet a negative story always seems to twist some knickers. In reality of course Adkins is under pressure, no matter what he has done in the past two years (though this was helped by an influx of cash and academy products) he has seen 30m worth of new players come in this year, and with the quality of squad and the standard of those teams at the bottom I do t think that its unreasonable to assume he is under review. And FWIW im not saying Adkins job is hanging by a thread, as it isnt, but under review for me means if we go down he is gone.... And Im afraid as much as I like Adkins thats not unreasonable Edited 10 January, 2013 by Smirking_Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 If we dont make some signings soon, I'm gonna start believing this crap. The continued absence of reinforcement suggest NC is planning to go away over the summer and lick his wounds if we are relegated, and either way re-group for next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 FWIW, if we stay up, surely Adkins won't deserve the sack. But don't underestimate the tactical nous that Di Matteo displayed by beating Barcelona over 2 legs, and Bayern in their own backyard. I think Adkins will be gone regardless of where we finish. But in all honesty, finishing 17th wouldn't be particularly impressive considering the money spent. I don't think Di Matteo is anything special as a manager, it was Cech, Cole, Terry, Lampard & Drogba stepping up and running the show that won it for Chelsea last season, along with a fair slice of luck. As already pointed out on this thread, he was pretty poor at WBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 Good to see that yet another none positive article is immediately dismissed as bullsh*t and lies in a terrible paper that only prints made up stories. The same paper who by coincidence only a week ago prodcued this article which people we're cracking one put over. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2060821/After-Walcott-Bale-Oxlade-Chamberlain-Southampton-aiming-create-new-golden-generation-England.html And this article only 3 days ago which had a similar effect. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2258132/Southampton-set-sign-12m-Liverpool-target-Davide-Astori-Italy.html Are we too assume that these stories were also made up, lies and crap journalism? Or might there be some truth in all of them? Whch one is it Saintsweb? I completely agree we have to even it all out, a perceived negative report against Adkins is dismissed and a super signing is heralded as gospel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 So, what is it with you lot and only accepting positive news stories no matter how rediculous, yet a negative story always seems to twist some knickers. In reality of course Adkins is under pressure, no matter what he has done in the past two years (though this was helped by an influx of cash and academy products) he has seen 30m worth of new players come in this year, and with the quality of squad and the standard of those teams at the bottom I do t think that its unreasonable to assume he is under review. And FWIW im not saying Adkins job is hanging by a thread, as it isnt, but under review for me means if we go down he is gone.... And Im afraid as much as I like Adkins thats not unreasonable I think I was saying this yesterday and I got hammered for it, ironic a story of negativity or supoosed gets printed but handy for me as it proves my case in point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 Gross? eugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 I completely agree we have to even it all out, a perceived negative report against Adkins is dismissed by c.1% of forum members and a super signing is heralded as gospel. Fixed it for you sir. No need to thank me - my services are free of charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 And Gross, will he attract the cream of Europe. Anyway the article is referring to Adkins' results as the reason for his job being alledgedly under threat not his so called inability to assist the transfer committee in attracting players to the club. I think you may be struggling. I'm not talking about why Adkins will be sacked. I'm posing the question, given the sort of played Cortese wants at this club, are we still the right club for him and would the club be easier to sell to players if we had s higher profile manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 who trusts the press? they have to sell papers, rumours make their living, doesn't mean there is anything in it.Cortese and Adkins are in it together for the long term that's my opinion and I hope it's right but I am no more ITK than the Daily Fail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 I think you may be struggling. I'm not talking about why Adkins will be sacked. I'm posing the question, given the sort of played Cortese wants at this club, are we still the right club for him and would the club be easier to sell to players if we had s higher profile manager. Gross isn't a high profile manager though, he's pretty much failed outside of Switzerland and his record with Spurs makes him unsuitable for any English club IMO, doubt he will attract any more decent players than Adkins. Di Matteo I suppose has a higher profile but I wonder how long that will last, he's hardly been snapped up by other clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 Fixed it for you sir. No need to thank me - my services are free of charge. That 1% were very vocal yesterday baying for my blood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 who trusts the press? they have to sell papers, rumours make their living, doesn't mean there is anything in it.Cortese and Adkins are in it together for the long term that's my opinion and I hope it's right but I am no more ITK than the Daily Fail Is it all ******** when they have us linked with astori, coutinho etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 That 1% were very vocal yesterday baying for my blood. But look on the bright side....99% don't despise you... #everycloud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 January, 2013 Share Posted 10 January, 2013 Gross isn't a high profile manager though, he's pretty much failed outside of Switzerland and his record with Spurs makes him unsuitable for any English club IMO, doubt he will attract any more decent players than Adkins. Di Matteo I suppose has a higher profile but I wonder how long that will last, he's hardly been snapped up by other clubs. I'm not talking about Gross specifically, really don't think he is a possibility. More high profile managers generally. Di Matteo, for example, was a top player and has a champions league win under his belt as a manager. One of the main reasons given for Michu join Swansea was playing for Laudrup. Some players would play for a manager like that rather than having to google Nigel Adkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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