Players Out in January

[Saint Charlie]

So, Adkins recently said that the January window would be used to get rid of some of the squad players who never play so that they can further their careers.

 

Having looked at the squad list I would suggest that would include the following scenarios - anyone feel otherwise?

 

 

Almost Certain to Leave:

 

Dan Seaborne - Currently on loan at Charlton, would imagine we would sell in Jan to them or any other Champ/L1 team or loan until end of season when he is out of contract and then he will go on a free. January Exit Chance - 8/10 CONFIRMED - Loan to Bmth for rest of season when he is out of contract

 

Danny Butterfield - Again out of contract at end of season so probably would either agree to let him go on a free to someone else or would loan for second half of season and then release in summer. January Exit Chance - 8/10

 

Richard Chaplow - Despite calls from some Saints Web members we haven't used 'Chaplow's Bite' much at all this season and when he has played he has looked like a L1 regular/Championship regular/fringe player (suprising that?). Again it looks like he is out of contract in the summer so would imagine we would loan out to a Champ club ahead of releasing in the summer or maybe agree a nominal fee. January Exit Chance - 9/10

 

Lee Barnard - Returned from a disappointing loan spell at Bournemouth and is clearly not going to be in Nigel's plans. Would imagine another loan move could happen, his wages will prevent a L1 club from buying him IMO. Not sure when his contract is up but reckon he will be loaned out til then. January Exit Chance - 8/10

 

Jonno Quick - Largely as with Barnard. Poor loan at Crawley and is a poor player IMO. Will probably leave on loan for L1 or 2. January Exit Chance - 8/10

 

 

Will probably Leave:

 

Steve De Ridder - Hasn't lived up to his You Tube video and promising early cameo's. Didn't get a look in until December where he started appearing on the bench and in the absence of Lallana has come on a couple of times. For me he will probably leave this window but it depends on us signing another wide player as with AL out we can't really let him go until another body comes in - despite him being very poor. January Exit Chance - 7/10

 

Ryan Dickson - Should really be in the above category but he seems priced out of a move anywhere due to wages above his ability. Expect he will move to L1 on loan and then leave on a free in the summer. January Exit Chance - 7/10 UPDATE: Signed on loan at Bradford to end of season

 

 

Would Probably Consider Offers For:

 

Frazer Richardson - Did well last year, but isn't athletic enough for this league IMO and not quite good enough either defensively or going forward. Adkins obviously agrees as Yoshida and Cork have played RB instead of him recently. I think he might be out of contract in the summer, and wouldn't be offered new terms so I think we would probably consider offers for him in January - although he can be a decent option to have on the bench. January Exit Chance 6/10

 

Danny Fox - Has been replaced by Shaw and if we are honest has been pretty woeful this season - just found out defensively in this league. Still our best set piece taker but not getting a look in once Shaw proved he can play 90mins and rarely is on the bench. We would be foolish to let him go without bringing in another left back, but as a fairly high earner one would imagine, it would make sense to consider a decent offer of 1m plus from a Championship team if one came in. January Exit Chance - 5/10

 

Tadanari Lee - Chung has been unlucky with injuries and had a decent spell last year for 5 games but its hard to see where he really fits more long term. Hasn't featured on the bench for the first team in the league, and depending what attacking business we do in Jan could find himself further down the pecking order. Personally I would loan him out to a Championship team to see if he can make any sort of impression, but would imagine we would be pleased to receive an offer from Japan to take him back there. January Exit Chance - 6/10

 

Billy Sharp - Out on loan at Forest and doing quite well. Clearly not in our Premier League plans. Some would argue that whilst we don't know what league we are in it would be silly to sell but even if we did go down would Sharp really want to come back and be motivated knowing that we didn't want him as soon as we went up? IMO he is not Prem class and even if we went down I don't know that he really fits our style of play. If they offer us what we paid for him then I think we would consider it, although if we wait til the summer we might be in a better bargaining position. January Exit Chance -7/10

 

Jos Hooiveld - Jos has had a turbulent time in the Premier League with many fans having lsot faith in him. With the arrival of at least one new CB likely in January Hooiveld would be pushed to 4th in the pecking order at best. With the Academy players pushed through and high hopes for Jack Stephens especially, who has been converted to a CB could the Square-headed Dutchman be set for a move away? With the right offer Saints would surely be tempted and if two CBs were to arrive in this window then the liklihood of an exit would increase. January Exit Chance - 5/10

 

Jason Puncheon - Fantastic first half of the season, has been one of our most consistent players. Out of contract in the summer but no sign of talks, or offer of a new one so could attract offers. Hard to assess this one as neither side has hinted at their position. Would be unlikely to sell in January as has been a key player, but you never know, if he has said he won't sign a new deal (which is possible) then we might want to get something for him rather than nothing. January Exit Chance - 5/10

 

Luke Shaw - No reason for us to want to sell Shaw who looks absolutely fantastic but its hard to know what goes on behind the scenes. He is a London/Surrey lad and will be aware of Arsenal/Chelsea interest. Would suggest there is little chance of him going in January (he is playing regularly and we need him) but the summer may well be another story entirely. January Exit Chance - 4/10

 

 

Possible Loan Moves:

 

Aaron Martin - Needs games in L1 to start building a career for himself. January Exit Chance - 6/10

 

Jack Stephens - Would like to see what he can do in L1, rated very highly for the future. January Exit Chance - 6/10

 

Calum Chambers - Same as Stephens. January Exit Chance - 6/10

 

Paulo Gazzaniga - If Boruc keeps his place then might as well loan Gazza out for regular games in the Championship or L1. Clearly has loads of potential so needs regualr football. January Exit Chance - 6/10

 

James Ward-Prowse - With no more Cup games its hard to see JWP getting into our midfield ahead of Cork, Morgan or Davis. He is a good option off the bench but maybe a month loan in the Championship would help his development? January Exit Chance - 6/10

 

 

Fanciful Rumour

 

Rickie Lambert - The summer will be interesting on this one as RL will be a year away from the end of his contract and having played in the lower leagues will be looking to get one last big pay day - which is fair enough. Would Saints really want to offer Lambert another 3 year contract when he would be 31 and already facing some questions about his mobility at this level? It would certainly not be ludicrous to say that he might leave in the summer, but would be to suggest he will move in January with nothing in it for Saints apart from a reduced chance of survival and fan disharmony. January Exit Chance - 2/10

 

Guliherme do Prado Raymundo - With Ronaldo linked with a move away from Real there has been speculation that the Brazilian has caught the eye of Real Madrid President Florentino Perez with his deft touches and tireless running. Saints would be keen to hang on to the crowd pleaser they signed from Cesena in 2010. January Exit Chance - 3/10

Edited 17 January, 2013 by Saint Charlie

[Hatch]

surely all the 'certainties to leave' should have an exit chance of 10/10 otherwise they are not certainties.

[Saint Charlie]

surely all the 'certainties to leave' should have an exit chance of 10/10 otherwise they are not certainties.

 

 

Haha - probably, I guess they arent certain, almost certain.

[Naboo_thats_who]

Has Punchy signed a new contract?

[stevegrant]

The problem with all of them is that their wages are massive compared to the standard of football they're probably best suited to. All of those in your "certainties" list were with us in League One, so they'll have had bonuses and automatic salary increases for both promotions. Lee Barnard, for example, is on £13k a week. No side with any sense (I don't count Bournemouth in that, they actually agreed to cover 100% of his wages during his loan spell there) at his sort of level is going to pay him that.

 

I suspect Danny Butterfield is being lined up for a coaching role, by all accounts he's a good influence around the training ground.

 

Those who are out of contract might as well wait until the summer and collect the last few months of bumper pay packets, really.

[Dig Dig]

Has Punchy signed a new contract?

 

No.....he should be on the list as a possibility for that reason but can't see him leaving this Jan

[Doctoroncall]

Richardson is OOC this summer.

[DT]

I have a feeling Puncheon's agent has been on the phone more than Noel Edmonds in Deal or no deal and that we will be surprised by one player leaving who we wanted to stay. Praying this is not Luke Shaw - couldn't help looking at those shirt-swap pics with Ashley Cole and imagining him saying something like 'this will be yours for good soon, mate'. Please no.

[Saint Charlie]

The problem with all of them is that their wages are massive compared to the standard of football they're probably best suited to. All of those in your "certainties" list were with us in League One, so they'll have had bonuses and automatic salary increases for both promotions. Lee Barnard, for example, is on £13k a week. No side with any sense (I don't count Bournemouth in that, they actually agreed to cover 100% of his wages during his loan spell there) at his sort of level is going to pay him that.

 

I suspect Danny Butterfield is being lined up for a coaching role, by all accounts he's a good influence around the training ground.

 

Those who are out of contract might as well wait until the summer and collect the last few months of bumper pay packets, really.

 

Agree re the L1 players - we will struggle to shift them permanently but most of their contracts are up anyway in the summer which is why I have suggested they are most likely to move on loan - probably with us paying some portion of their wages.

 

Adkins did say clearly pre Arsenal that some players who havent featured would be leaving for the good of their careers so think we would be keen to do something with them.

 

Its also doesn't help to have lots of players who arent playing just moping around the training ground or taking spots in the U21 team.

Edited 9 January, 2013 by Saint Charlie

[saintbob40]

The problem with all of them is that their wages are massive compared to the standard of football they're probably best suited to. All of those in your "certainties" list were with us in League One, so they'll have had bonuses and automatic salary increases for both promotions. Lee Barnard, for example, is on £13k a week. No side with any sense (I don't count Bournemouth in that, they actually agreed to cover 100% of his wages during his loan spell there) at his sort of level is going to pay him that.

 

I suspect Danny Butterfield is being lined up for a coaching role, by all accounts he's a good influence around the training ground.

 

Those who are out of contract might as well wait until the summer and collect the last few months of bumper pay packets, really.

 

Spot on. I think very few will leave (despite "encoragement" to do so by the Club)and we will have a densely populated "naughty step" at the training ground. The difficulty may be in keeping the first team squad away from marginalised and disenchanted (due to lack of playing opportunity rather than lack of £££)former first team squad players.

[stevegrant]

Agree re the L1 players - we will struggle to shift them permanently but most of their contracts are up anyway in the summer which is why I have suggested they are most likely to move on loan - probably with us paying some portion of their wages.

 

Adkins did say clearly pre Arsenal that some players who havent featured would be leaving for the good of their careers so think we would be keen to do something with them.

That scenario would require a change of attitude/ethos to what's been demonstrated in the past year or so by the club, though. Ryan Dickson is the obvious example, he'd agreed terms with Yeovil to sign for them in the summer under the belief that some of the pay cut he would have to take would be subsidised by SFC (as seems to be fairly common within the game when a club wants to get rid of a player), but we pulled out of the deal, presumably once we'd sealed promotion and he'd received an automatic pay rise. As a result, we've now got a player who's of no use to us sat around doing nothing for a year while costing us somewhere in the region of half a million quid.

 

If we want to get rid of some of the "fluff", the bean-counters are going to have to put their hand in their pockets to do so.

[Window Cleaner]

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If we want to get rid of some of the "fluff", the bean-counters are going to have to put their hand in their pockets to do so.

 

It seems like a war of attrition is being waged,the club are obviously holding on to the idea that sooner or later the desire to play will outweigh the love of money for certain players. So far it's a complete failure as theories go in our case.

 

Know what I mean Ryan?

Edited 9 January, 2013 by Window Cleaner

[stevegrant]

It seems like a war of attrition is being waged,the club are obviously holding on to the idea that sooner or later the desire to play will outweigh the love of money for certain players. So far it's a complete failure as theories go in our case.

Yep. For someone like Ryan Dickson, a year out of the game raking in £10k a week isn't going to dent his career too much, I wouldn't have thought. He'll still have plenty of suitors at League One level, IMO. The club's stance on this, while it's obviously good that they want to control costs as much as possible, does appear to be rather counter-productive. Let him go to Yeovil who are going to pay him, say, £3k a week, while we pay £5k, so he still has to take a pay cut if he wants to move (which it appears he did/does), that saves us £250k a year. Seems a no-brainer to me.

 

Know what I mean Ryan?

I'm intrigued that someone has gone to the trouble of photoshopping a Swiss shirt onto that kid, the original of that photo's done the rounds for years, and it's always been a Feyenoord one

[Window Cleaner]

 

 

I'm intrigued that someone has gone to the trouble of photoshopping a Swiss shirt onto that kid, the original of that photo's done the rounds for years, and it's always been a Feyenoord one

 

 

Nope there are loads of them, I looked it up to explain what Smirking had as his avatar and found a whole page of them.

Surprised no-one has photoshopped a Saint's shirt on to it for Pompey games actually.Wouldn't even need to change the face paint.

[Lighthouse]

Anyone know who is out of contract in summer? The only ones I know for certain are Davis, Puncheon, Forecast and Butters.

 

I'd be trying to shift Barnard, Butters, Seaborne, Forte, Dickson for certain as they don't even get on the bench as back up these days and are well down the pecking order. There are a few others if we sign a better option, like Davis, Martin, Fox and Chaplow

[stevegrant]

MLG must have a list of contract expiry dates somewhere.

 

Pretty sure Seaborne, Forte and Dickson are also out of contract this summer.

[Window Cleaner]

Anyone know who is out of contract in summer? The only ones I know for certain are Davis, Puncheon, Forecast and Butters.

 

I'd be trying to shift Barnard, Butters, Seaborne, Forte, Dickson for certain as they don't even get on the bench as back up these days and are well down the pecking order. There are a few others if we sign a better option, like Davis, Martin, Fox and Chaplow

 

Usually remarkably precise apart from some transfer values. You'll have to go through it player by player though.

 

 

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/southampton-fc/startseite/verein_180.html

[alpine_saint]

So, Adkins recently said that the January window would be used to get rid of some of the squad players who never play so that they can further their careers.

 

Having looked at the squad list I would suggest that would include the following scenarios - anyone feel otherwise?

 

 

Almost Certain to Leave:

 

Danny Seaborne - Currently on loan at Charlton, would imagine we would sell in Jan to them or any other Champ/L1 team or loan until end of season when he is out of contract and then he will go on a free. January Exit Chance - 8/10

 

Danny Butterfield - Again out of contract at end of season so probably would either agree to let him go on a free to someone else or would loan for second half of season and then release in summer. January Exit Chance - 8/10

 

Richard Chaplow - Despite calls from some Saints Web members we haven't used 'Chaplow's Bite' much at all this season and when he has played he has looked like a L1 regular/Championship regular/fringe player (suprising that?). Again it looks like he is out of contract in the summer so would imagine we would loan out to a Champ club ahead of releasing in the summer or maybe agree a nominal fee. January Exit Chance - 9/10

 

Lee Barnard - Returned from a disappointing loan spell at Bournemouth and is clearly not going to be in Nigel's plans. Would imagine another loan move could happen, his wages will prevent a L1 club from buying him IMO. Not sure when his contract is up but reckon he will be loaned out til then. January Exit Chance - 8/10

 

Jonno Quick - Largely as with Barnard. Poor loan at Crawley and is a poor player IMO. Will probably leave on loan for L1 or 2. January Exit Chance - 8/10

 

 

Agree about Barnard, Forte, Seaborne.

Dont agree about Chaplow. Think he offers something still

Doubt about Butterfield.

 

Will probably Leave:

 

Steve De Ridder - Hasn't lived up to his You Tube video and promising early cameo's. Didn't get a look in until December where he started appearing on the bench and in the absence of Lallana has come on a couple of times. For me he will probably leave this window but it depends on us signing another wide player as with AL out we can't really let him go until another body comes in - despite him being very poor. January Exit Chance - 7/10

 

Ryan Dickson - Should really be in the above category but he seems priced out of a move anywhere due to wages above his ability. Expect he will move to L1 on loan and then leave on a free in the summer. January Exit Chance - 7/10

 

Agree about Dickson

Dont agree about De Ridder, seems to be back in contention due to injuries and Mayuka is away.

 

Would Probably Consider Offers For:

 

Frazer Richardson - Did well last year, but isn't athletic enough for this league IMO and not quite good enough either defensively or going forward. Adkins obviously agrees as Yoshida and Cork have played RB instead of him recently. I think he might be out of contract in the summer, and wouldn't be offered new terms so I think we would probably consider offers for him in January - although he can be a decent option to have on the bench. January Exit Chance 6/10

 

Danny Fox - Has been replaced by Shaw and if we are honest has been pretty woeful this season - just found out defensively in this league. Still our best set piece taker but not getting a look in once Shaw proved he can play 90mins and rarely is on the bench. We would be foolish to let him go without bringing in another left back, but as a fairly high earner one would imagine, it would make sense to consider a decent offer of 1m plus from a Championship team if one came in. January Exit Chance - 5/10

 

Tadanari Lee - Chung has been unlucky with injuries and had a decent spell last year for 5 games but its hard to see where he really fits more long term. Hasn't featured on the bench for the first team in the league, and depending what attacking business we do in Jan could find himself further down the pecking order. Personally I would loan him out to a Championship team to see if he can make any sort of impression, but would imagine we would be pleased to receive an offer from Japan to take him back there. January Exit Chance - 6/10

 

Billy Sharp - Out on loan at Forest and doing quite well. Clearly not in our Premier League plans. Some would argue that whilst we don't know what league we are in it would be silly to sell but even if we did go down would Sharp really want to come back and be motivated knowing that we didn't want him as soon as we went up? IMO he is not Prem class and even if we went down I don't know that he really fits our style of play. If they offer us what we paid for him then I think we would consider it, although if we wait til the summer we might be in a better bargaining position. January Exit Chance -7/10

 

Jos Hooiveld - Jos has had a turbulent time in the Premier League with many fans having lsot faith in him. With the arrival of at least one new CB likely in January Hooiveld would be pushed to 4th in the pecking order at best. With the Academy players pushed through and high hopes for Jack Stephens especially, who has been converted to a CB could the Square-headed Dutchman be set for a move away? With the right offer Saints would surely be tempted and if two CBs were to arrive in this window then the liklihood of an exit would increase. January Exit Chance - 5/10

 

Jason Puncheon - Fantastic first half of the season, has been one of our most consistent players. Out of contract in the summer but no sign of talks, or offer of a new one so could attract offers. Hard to assess this one as neither side has hinted at their position. Would be unlikely to sell in January as has been a key player, but you never know, if he has said he won't sign a new deal (which is possible) then we might want to get something for him rather than nothing. January Exit Chance - 5/10

 

Luke Shaw - No reason for us to want to sell Shaw who looks absolutely fantastic but its hard to know what goes on behind the scenes. He is a London/Surrey lad and will be aware of Arsenal/Chelsea interest. Would suggest there is little chance of him going in January (he is playing regularly and we need him) but the summer may well be another story entirely. January Exit Chance - 4/10

 

 

Agree about Richardson and Fox

Disagree about Hooiveld and Sharp. Totally. Who is going to partner Yoshi whilst Fonte is injured ? This fictitious 10m CB we are lining up ? And Billy, well, that was f**k up of the century letting him out on loan, still time for the club to wake up.

I hope the club finds its balls to fight off approaches for Shaw, but the 20m for Carlos Kick-A-Ball and his mate has to come from somewhere. Maybe that means a reprieve for Fox as well then

WTF is really going on with Lee and Puncheon anyway ???

 

Possible Loan Moves:

 

Aaron Martin - Needs games in L1 to start building a career for himself. January Exit Chance - 6/10

 

Jack Stephens - Would like to see what he can do in L1, rated very highly for the future. January Exit Chance - 6/10

 

Calum Chambers - Same as Stephens. January Exit Chance - 6/10

 

Paulo Gazzaniga - If Boruc keeps his place then might as well loan Gazza out for regular games in the Championship or L1. Clearly has loads of potential so needs regualr football. January Exit Chance - 6/10

 

James Ward-Prowse - With no more Cup games its hard to see JWP getting into our midfield ahead of Cork, Morgan or Davis. He is a good option off the bench but maybe a month loan in the Championship would help his development? January Exit Chance - 6/10

 

 

 

Yes, Yes, Yes, No (we are one Boruc Brain-Fart away from him being back in contention), No (injury back-up)

 

Fanciful Rumour

 

Rickie Lambert - The summer will be interesting on this one as RL will be a year away from the end of his contract and having played in the lower leagues will be looking to get one last big pay day - which is fair enough. Would Saints really want to offer Lambert another 3 year contract when he would be 31 and already facing some questions about his mobility at this level? It would certainly not be ludicrous to say that he might leave in the summer, but would be to suggest he will move in January with nothing in it for Saints apart from a reduced chance of survival and fan disharmony. January Exit Chance - 2/10

 

Guliherme do Prado Raymundo - With Ronaldo linked with a move away from Real there has been speculation that the Brazilian has caught the eye of Real Madrid President Florentino Perez with his deft touches and tireless running. Saints would be keen to hang on to the crowd pleaser they signed from Cesena in 2010. January Exit Chance - 3/10

 

Cloud cookoo land with both of them. They are both dug in deeper than an Alabama tick.

[Saint Charlie]

Dickson set to be the first departure if reports are correct.

[Saint Charlie]

Dickson move confirmed.

[Saint Charlie]

Seaborne to AFCB on loan til his contract expires at end of season apparantly. Good move for both.

[Saint Garrett]

Thank god for that. Was getting worried when he was making the bench, he is a L1 defender at best. Good riddance.

[david in sweden]

Haha - probably, I guess they arent certain, almost certain.[/QUOTE]

 

well....9/10 then.

[Saint Charlie]

Somebody teach Davie the art of quoting on the SWF. He is profficient with his bolds, italics and underlines but not so hot on the quoting.

[Dig Dig]

QUOTE=Saint Charlie;1586383]Somebody teach Davie the art of quoting on the SWF. He is profficient with his bolds, italics and underlines but not so hot on the quoting.

 

I think he's pretty good at it to be honest

[Lighthouse]

I never got the signing of Seaborne. I know he was young and left footed which vaguely fit the bill of what we were looking for at the time but he wasn't exactly what you'd call 'good'. Even the Exeter fans didn't rate him that highly and were completely bemused as to why a team with Premier League ambitions would sign him.

 

Good luck to him though, he put a decent shift in which is more than you can say about some of the garbage we've had.

[Dig Dig]

I never got the signing of Seaborne. I know he was young and left footed which vaguely fit the bill of what we were looking for at the time but he wasn't exactly what you'd call 'good'. Even the Exeter fans didn't rate him that highly and were completely bemused as to why a team with Premier League ambitions would sign him.

 

Good luck to him though, he put a decent shift in which is more than you can say about some of the garbage we've had.

 

Even Pardew signs a stinker on occassion.

[Window Cleaner]

Even Pardew signs a stinker on occassion.

 

wasn't Seaborne a bit of a compensation/emergency signing when we failed to get someone else, can't remember who that was, Elliot Ward perhaps.