Will we have signed a centre half by Saturday?

[alpine_saint]

There is a need for urgency. Especially now injuries are mounting.

 

Mate, you are preaching to the converted. For me, every window is an urgency. Look at the summer, and how long we've taken to settle (if we have even now...). This stuff about poncing around until 30ms from the window closing in order to save a couple of quid, despite 12 more points being up for grabs during the window, gets on my f**king tits.

[farawaysaint]

Mate, you are preaching to the converted. For me, every window is an urgency. Look at the summer, and how long we've taken to settle (if we have even now...). This stuff about poncing around until 30ms from the window closing in order to save a couple of quid, despite 12 more points being up for grabs during the window, gets on my f**king tits.

 

You could finance the extra 2million quid yourself Alps? It's a lot of money.

[alpine_saint]

You could finance the extra 2million quid yourself Alps? It's a lot of money.

 

For me, its self-financing.

 

Reinforce properly now, immediately, we have a good chance of staying up and keeping our share of the TV rights.

 

Prat about until 31/01/2013, potentially lose another 6-8 points, we probably go down and lose the TV money.

[jawillwill]

Apparently N'Zogbia, Bent and Agbonlahor all played well yesterday, bit of a worry with Fonte out. Just what we need, Villas old guard to click with the new boys just in time to face us a man down! It's a shame as Fonte has really got his act together quickly after a poor start to the season.

 

 

I haven't checked the rules, but I think we'll be allowed to replace Fonte with somebody ele, so we won't be a man down.

[DT]

For me, its self-financing.

 

Reinforce properly now, immediately, we have a good chance of staying up and keeping our share of the TV rights.

 

Prat about until 31/01/2013, potentially lose another 6-8 points, we probably go down and lose the TV money.

I agree. The cost of the delay in getting crucial players in could far outweigh the extra £ we'd have to part with to get them 2 weeks early. We might be too far adrift in a month.

[Cricketphilly]

For me, its self-financing.

 

Reinforce properly now, immediately, we have a good chance of staying up and keeping our share of the TV rights.

 

Prat about until 31/01/2013, potentially lose another 6-8 points, we probably go down and lose the TV money.

 

You would think players should be lined/tapped up already. We have a great scouting network and if should be the

case of just then going through offcial channels (i'm hoping)

 

Conversely, nobody does a thing until January the 1st

[alpine_saint]

You would think players should be lined/tapped up already. We have a great scouting network and if should be the

case of just then going through offcial channels (i'm hoping)

 

Conversely, nobody does a thing until January the 1st

 

Yeah, I dont get it.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Yeah, I dont get it.

 

 

Lot of people/agents/clubs engaged in brinkmanship

[alpine_saint]

Lot of people/agents/clubs engaged in brinkmanship

 

Then we dont have the financial clout to clear those obstacles, imo.

[Saint Charlie]

Then we dont have the financial clout to clear those obstacles, imo.

 

Lol. Is it worth paying say 3m more for a player just so he can play vs Villa? Clearly not. These are complicated deals. Its the 7th Jan and we have not played a League game since the window opened properly.

 

We have bids in for players who sounds very good but NC knows what he is doing - he signed Ramirez when nobody thought it was possible, and that was a blooming complicated deal.

[alpine_saint]

Lol. Is it worth paying say 3m more for a player just so he can play vs Villa? Clearly not. These are complicated deals. Its the 7th Jan and we have not played a League game since the window opened properly.

 

We have bids in for players who sounds very good but NC knows what he is doing - he signed Ramirez when nobody thought it was possible, and that was a blooming complicated deal.

 

Why is it 3m ? That is complete guesswork from you to try to dismiss my argument. But yes, the Villa game is big, its a 6-pointer, so having a CB for that game is crucial imo. Very bored with the complicated argument, its not complicated at all. Offer the valuation and the personal terms and its over very quickly. If you really think you are being ripped off, move on to target B.

 

Oh, and the Ramirez deal screwed up the rest of our summer window for arguable return, imo.

[Saint Charlie]

Why is it 3m ? That is complete guesswork from you to try to dismiss my argument. But yes, the Villa game is big, its a 6-pointer, so having a CB for that game is crucial imo. Very bored with the complicated argument, its not complicated at all. Offer the valuation and the personal terms and its over very quickly. If you really think you are being ripped off, move on to target B.

 

Re 3m - even if its 1m it isnt worth paying over the odds for one extra game. Not long ago we were signing players for 200k - you can't just chuck money around willy nilly.

 

These are multi million pound deals with many parties involved, not Football Manager on PC.

 

I would suggest its fairly complicated, and that its not a disaster that on the 7th Jan we havent signed anyone.

 

I would also suggest you have no idea how complicated a football transfer might be.

[surrey1saint]

One thing for sure,we will have to wait until something concrete from the club is announced.....wait & see,frustrating,but isn't it always with Saints!

[Dig Dig]

Re 3m - even if its 1m it isnt worth paying over the odds for one extra game. Not long ago we were signing players for 200k - you can't just chuck money around willy nilly.

 

These are multi million pound deals with many parties involved, not Football Manager on PC.

 

I would suggest its fairly complicated, and that its not a disaster that on the 7th Jan we havent signed anyone.

 

I would also suggest you have no idea how complicated a football transfer might be.

 

Alpines transfer policy to just chuck as much money as you can at clubs, players and agents would see us bent over the barrell on a regular basis once word spreads that Saints are a club who will give you exactly what you want.

 

He's like this during every transfer window, and despite us getting some signings in early, some late (like everyone else) we've been successful over the last 4 years and improved with each window so he doesn't really have an argument.

 

Ultimately, he wants our transfer window to be done in such a way just to satisfy his insecurity.

[alpine_saint]

Re 3m - even if its 1m it isnt worth paying over the odds for one extra game. Not long ago we were signing players for 200k - you can't just chuck money around willy nilly.

 

These are multi million pound deals with many parties involved, not Football Manager on PC.

 

I would suggest its fairly complicated, and that its not a disaster that on the 7th Jan we havent signed anyone.

 

I would also suggest you have no idea how complicated a football transfer might be.

 

You opinion is typical complacent low-ambition Saints fan hubris.

 

If we are sitting in 18th place at the beginning of May, adrift of Villa by 1 or 2 points having lost or drawn against them away, will that 1m look expensive ?

[alpine_saint]

Alpines transfer policy to just chuck as much money as you can at clubs, players and agents would see us bent over the barrell on a regular basis once word spreads that Saints are a club who will give you exactly what you want.

 

He's like this during every transfer window, and despite us getting some signings in early, some late (like everyone else) we've been successful over the last 4 years and improved with each window so he doesn't really have an argument.

 

Ultimately, he wants our transfer window to be done in such a way just to satisfy his insecurity.

 

Its not my policy at all. I said already we should move on to Target B if we feel the deal is wide of the mark in terms of value. But we have had the time to do the ground work, clearly, so we are pratting about.

 

And to say we improved during the last window and did some meaningful business early is f**king hillarious.

 

Btw, its not my insecurity I want satisfied, its the teams.

[Saint Charlie]

You opinion is typical complacent low-ambition Saints fan hubris.

 

If we are sitting in 18th place at the beginning of May, adrift of Villa by 1 or 2 points having lost or drawn against them away, will that 1m look expensive ?

 

Low ambition? I am pretty pleased with the players we have been linked to and the kind of money we are looking to spend.

 

I do realise however, that the better the player, the more options they tend to have including some bigger clubs than ours and that these things take time.

 

Seeing as today is Monday and there is still 4 whole days before Villa and then 13 before Everton I am not overly concerned.

 

If we are 1 or 2 points behind Villa in May then it won't be because we didn't get a centre back in before this game.

[alpine_saint]

Low ambition? I am pretty pleased with the players we have been linked to and the kind of money we are looking to spend.

 

I do realise however, that the better the player, the more options they tend to have including some bigger clubs than ours and that these things take time.

 

Seeing as today is Monday and there is still 4 whole days before Villa and then 13 before Everton I am not overly concerned.

 

If we are 1 or 2 points behind Villa in May then it won't be because we didn't get a centre back in before this game.

 

No, it will be because we continually neglected our defence for 6months, starting from winning promotion. And wasted the earliest possible opportunity to do something about it.

[Dig Dig]

Its not my policy at all. I said already we should move on to Target B if we feel the deal is wide of the mark in terms of value. But we have had the time to do the ground work, clearly, so we are pratting about.

 

And to say we improved during the last window and did some meaningful business early is f**king hillarious.

 

Btw, its not my insecurity I want satisfied, its the teams.

 

You don't get to see Saints much so maybe you missed Clyne, Rodriguez, Davis and Gazzaniga who all signed at the start of pre-season training.

 

In contrast, we signed Ramirez (real coup of a signing) on the last day of the window along with Yoshida as well as Mayuka

 

As I said, some business done early, same late, same as everyone else.

[alpine_saint]

You don't get to see Saints much so maybe you missed Clyne, Rodriguez, Davis and Gazzaniga who all signed at the start of pre-season training.

 

 

Jesus, is that your justification ?

 

None of them except Clyne has proved themselves beyond doubt.

 

And Mayuka ?

 

To me, the only unequivocal signing we've made is Yoshi, and even he took time to settle so theres an argument for doing the business earlier.

[Dig Dig]

Jesus, is that your justification ?

 

None of them except Clyne has proved themselves beyond doubt.

 

And Mayuka ?

 

To me, the only unequivocal signing we've made is Yoshi, and even he took time to settle so theres an argument for doing the business earlier.

 

 

You've never really shown any regard for quality of signings, just the time it takes to get them.

 

Seeing as you're so wise to how these things should be done, who could we have signed by now who would be of sufficient quality to improve what we have?

[PhilippineSaint]

You've never really shown any regard for quality of signings, just the time it takes to get them.

 

Seeing as you're so wise to how these things should be done, who could we have signed by now who would be of sufficient quality to improve what we have?

 

That is not going to get a reply from our resident Von Trapp

[S-Clarke]

Do you know what will fix everything?

 

Alpine as Charmian, Dalek as manager. There will never be any more defeats, we will sign players within minuites and we will establish ourselves as a top 4 club.

 

It's very easy apparently.

[alpine_saint]

Do you know what will fix everything?

 

Alpine as Charmian, Dalek as manager. There will never be any more defeats, we will sign players within minuites and we will establish ourselves as a top 4 club.

 

It's very easy apparently.

 

Childish. Very childish.

[alpine_saint]

You've never really shown any regard for quality of signings, just the time it takes to get them.

 

Seeing as you're so wise to how these things should be done, who could we have signed by now who would be of sufficient quality to improve what we have?

 

I dont see why having an opinion on how they are signed means I should have one about who they sign. I dont really have doubts about who they are allegedly targeting (though for me there are still question marks about their summer achievements), just seems to me its a bit half-hearted / tight-fisted.

[S-Clarke]

I dont see why having an opinion on how they are signed means I should have one about who they sign. I dont really have doubts about who they are allegedly targeting (though for me there are still question marks about their summer achievements), just seems to me its a bit half-hearted / tight-fisted.

 

After spending over £30m in the summer, whilst breaking our transfer record TWICE, that is one of the most stupid things you've ever said.

 

There is being tight fisted (i.e a 90k budget for Fuller) and there is being sensible with what we have, using it wisely and not being taken to the cleaners by clubs and agents. For some reason you seem keen for us to overpay just to get it done quickly, which is a good method for ensuring we enter financial meltdown in the near future.

 

And I'd bet your bottom dollar that if that did happen, you'd be the first to moan about the lack of financial management.

[alpine_saint]

After spending over £30m in the summer, whilst breaking our transfer record TWICE, that is one of the most stupid things you've ever said.

 

There is being tight fisted (i.e a 90k budget for Fuller) and there is being sensible with what we have, using it wisely and not being taken to the cleaners by clubs and agents. For some reason you seem keen for us to overpay just to get it done quickly, which is a good method for ensuring we enter financial meltdown in the near future.

 

And I'd bet your bottom dollar that if that did happen, you'd be the first to moan about the lack of financial management.

 

Yes, youd rather we save a few 100K and risk losing out on the TV rights bonanza next season. And you have the temerity to call me stupid.

[Saint Charlie]

Yes, youd rather we save a few 100K and risk losing out on the TV rights bonanza next season. And you have the temerity to call me stupid.

 

Haha - you are an absolute wally

[S-Clarke]

I give up to be honest, you can't reason with a clear moron. For what it's worth I don't believe he's a troll, he's a genuine fan. But he's a moron.

[alpine_saint]

Haha - you are an absolute wally

 

Wow, we've descended to posts 100% abuse and 0% content - nice one.

[Saint Charlie]

Wow, we've descended to posts 100% abuse and 0% content - nice one.

 

Ive already outlined all the points above (and on the other thread) which mostly you ignore.

 

See what S-Clarke says - its the truth.

 

You ignore any evidence or argument someone else makes and keep pedalling illogical agendas with nothing to validate it.

 

I won't ever be responding to a post of yours again, and would urge others to do the same.

 

I do hope you get some enjoyment out of the season and especially this transfer window. COYR.

 

Amen to this:

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?42210-Time-to-do-the-right-thing-mods

Edited 7 January, 2013 by Saint Charlie

[alpine_saint]

Ive already outlined all the points above.

 

See what S-Clarke says - its the truth.

 

I disagree. In my opinion he sucks up everything the club says/does and wouldnt think to doubt it/challenge it. I often wonder if NickG has a second user name...

[KelvinsRightGlove]

Why is it 3m ? That is complete guesswork from you to try to dismiss my argument. But yes, the Villa game is big, its a 6-pointer, so having a CB for that game is crucial imo. Very bored with the complicated argument, its not complicated at all. Offer the valuation and the personal terms and its over very quickly. If you really think you are being ripped off, move on to target B.

 

Oh, and the Ramirez deal screwed up the rest of our summer window for arguable return, imo.

 

The thing is, your 'argument' is so over-simplified it has little grounding on reality.

 

Multi-million pound transactions in any line of business take time.

 

Do you not think there is perhaps a reason the busiest day of a transfer window is more often than not the last one?

 

Again, like in many other transactions in other lines of business there is a chain. Deals are rarely isolated, and not affected by other comings and goings at a number of other clubs.

 

There are also a large number of stakeholders involved which need hurdling. Not a question of financial clout, as you suggest. £30m+ in the summer, plus deals that didn't happen suggest this isn't the case - more so than you're based on nothing assertions.

 

And that Gaston thing. Please, you cannot possibly that stupid to think because one deal is taking place, or in the process of negotiation, that another negotiation can take place.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

I disagree. In my opinion he sucks up everything the club says/does and wouldnt think to doubt it/challenge it. I often wonder if NickG has a second user name...

 

 

To be fair, I don't think S-Clarke is anywhere near NickG's level of obsequiousness.

[alpine_saint]

The thing is, your 'argument' is so over-simplified it has little grounding on reality.

 

Multi-million pound transactions in any line of business take time.

 

Do you not think there is perhaps a reason the busiest day of a transfer window is more often than not the last one?

 

Again, like in many other transactions in other lines of business there is a chain. Deals are rarely isolated, and not affected by other comings and goings at a number of other clubs.

 

There are also a large number of stakeholders involved which need hurdling. Not a question of financial clout, as you suggest. £30m+ in the summer, plus deals that didn't happen suggest this isn't the case - more so than you're based on nothing assertions.

 

And that Gaston thing. Please, you cannot possibly that stupid to think because one deal is taking place, or in the process of negotiation, that another negotiation can take place.

 

I'll tell you what. Lets see who comes in for us by the end of January. Then lets see if we can identify one of these so-called legendary "chains" that led to the amount of time it took to close that deal, OK ?

 

If we can, I'll promise NEVER to moan about transfer window activity again, whilst the window is still open.

 

Deal ?

[alpine_saint]

To be fair, I don't think S-Clarke is anywhere near NickG's level of obsequiousness.

 

Yes, but Dunes various log-in names are associated with various shades of tw*ttishness too...

[Saint_clark]

You would think players should be lined/tapped up already. We have a great scouting network and if should be the

case of just then going through offcial channels (i'm hoping)

 

Conversely, nobody does a thing until January the 1st

 

Adkins said there was a meeting to identify targets a few weeks back.

As for tapping up players...I hope our club never goes down that route.

[alpine_saint]

Adkins said there was a meeting to identify targets a few weeks back.

As for tapping up players...I hope our club never goes down that route.

 

Why not ? Everyone else does it.

 

I couldnt give a sh*t about that.

[Gemmel]

As for tapping up players...I hope our club never goes down that route.

 

Of course we do (And should)

[alpine_saint]

Of course we do (And should)

 

Yep. I found that comment bizarre. Its a dog-eat-dog world. Look at what might have happened with Buttner's transfer to us.

[Cricketphilly]

Adkins said there was a meeting to identify targets a few weeks back.

As for tapping up players...I hope our club never goes down that route.

 

I suppose it depends on what you class as tapping. Your player to a mate? Your player to an agent? I could go on..

[Thedelldays]

Adkins said there was a meeting to identify targets a few weeks back.

As for tapping up players...I hope our club never goes down that route.

massively naive...

 

it goes on all the time....feelers are put out, questions are asked to the right people and contact is made via friends/collegues

[KelvinsRightGlove]

massively naive...

 

it goes on all the time....feelers are put out, questions are asked to the right people and contact is made via friends/collegues

 

I find it seriously hard to believe that it isn't pretty widespread.

 

I mean really, there aren't a huge amount of transfers (well at least ones you hear about) where clubs agree a fee only for a player to turn around and say nah, point blank. They must have at least consulted agents etc to gauge if there is some level of interest.

[Gemmel]

We know we do it because Bart, said in the fans forum how Burley had told him not sign for anyone as he was getting the Saints job and Burley joked "Ignore that comment" or something along those lines.

[Gemmel]

I think it was Seaman that said the worse place for tapping up players was the England dressing room.

[jjsaint]

I think it's best to put Hoover into the squad for Villa at any rate - given how long it seems for new players to settle at Saints. I'd hate to put in Mr £3m Magic Defender with Completely Uncomplicated Transfer only for everything to go tit soup.

[Village Saint]

The thing is, your 'argument' is so over-simplified it has little grounding on reality.

 

Multi-million pound transactions in any line of business take time.

 

Do you not think there is perhaps a reason the busiest day of a transfer window is more often than not the last one?

 

Again, like in many other transactions in other lines of business there is a chain. Deals are rarely isolated, and not affected by other comings and goings at a number of other clubs.

 

There are also a large number of stakeholders involved which need hurdling. Not a question of financial clout, as you suggest. £30m+ in the summer, plus deals that didn't happen suggest this isn't the case - more so than you're based on nothing assertions.

 

And that Gaston thing. Please, you cannot possibly that stupid to think because one deal is taking place, or in the process of negotiation, that another negotiation can take place.

 

 

More to the point the Ramirez deal was just about the simplest deal we completed in the Summer, as whilst the need to make the direct payment to the Uruguyan club because they didn't trust Bologna to pay them their sell-on fee, was a hassle it was at least something we could resolve. On the other hand the FA compliance unit must have been driven nuts by the Davis deal - no selling club existed at the point we tried to sign him and yet his registration belonged elsewhere; Clyne - where there were two people claiming to be his agent and due a fee; Gazzaniga - where third party ownership raised its ugly head. It is to Saints great credit that they managed to get all these deals complete despite the complications.

[Professor]

Lot of people/agents/clubs engaged in brinkmanship

I don't think you will find brinkmanship with clubs such as Chelsea, Man City, Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal, Tottenham.... Could it be because they are posituve about signing quality players that they are competing at the top of the Prem, which is where we were told we intended to compete. If all SFC are going to do is to try to finish above the bottom 3, maybe we'd be better off in the Championship where fans might see us winning games regularly. Adkins made it clear he wanted two CBs for the Prem and eventually he was allowed one, but only after several games had been played and points lost. If we are going back to where we were in the 1990s and early 2000s, flirting with relegation most seasons until it happened all the effort of the last two years will have been wasted.

.

[david in sweden]

What do you think?

 

AT LEAST ONE.....maybe more....(no that's too much to hope for) .

[Dalek2003]

Do you know what will fix everything?

 

Alpine as Charmian, Dalek as manager. There will never be any more defeats, we will sign players within minuites and we will establish ourselves as a top 4 club.

 

It's very easy apparently.

 

A cheap jibe. We have been very slothful in the transfer market, we got away with it in the Championship year, but by God it is going to bite us hard this year if we don't act quickly.

Reading the posts on this thread, it seems Alpine speaks more sense than most in a direct and refreshing way.