Fontes' injury

[dronskisaint]

Fundamental disagreement then. I believe the majority of clubs operate an open policy on the severity of injuries with respect to managers interviews, official website articles etc.

 

Indeed - and I suspect that my detailed research (none) is as comprehensive as yours...:-)

[david in sweden]

I think after tonight, we now need 2.[/QUOTE]

 

MINIMUM ! .........one more such incident and we'd be well-and-truly ****** !

[The Kraken]

I'd just forfeit the game. a 3-0 default defeat would probably be better than actually playing it.

 

I'd bite your hand off for 3-0, it would be that within 15 minutes. Even against Villa.

[The Kraken]

Well i'm not a needy hysterical tart so I suppose it wouldn't bother me in the same way it clearly does you.

 

5,394 messages on a Saints football forum and you couldn't give a f*ck?

 

:lol:

[Matthew Le God]

Turkish, have you considered that if the opposition are guessing they have to prepare for a range of possibilities and a large % of the training in the build up is wasted time? If they know for certain a player is out they can use the time training in the build up to the game more productively.

 

Also, teams can base their own team selection on what they expect the opposition to play i.e. bringing in a fast defender to counter a fast striker, or a big defender to mark a big striker. As both team sheets are handed in at the same time there is nothing the opposition manager can do in terms of personal changes to counter any unexpected changes by the opposition.

[S-Clarke]

 

MINIMUM ! .........one more such incident and we'd be well-and-truly ****** !

 

I'd say, 1 miniumum but preferably now 2.

 

Astori, one other, Jos, Yoshida, Fonte (when returns). That'll do.

 

(and how the heck do you manage to cockup every post you quote???)

[Saint Charlie]

Turkish, have you considered that if the opposition are guessing they have to prepare for a range of possibilities and a large % of the training in the build up is wasted time? If they know for certain a player is out they can use the time training in the build up to the game more productively.

 

Also, teams can base their own team selection on what they expect the opposition to play i.e. bringing in a fast defender to counter a fast striker, or a big defender to mark a big striker. As both team sheets are handed in at the same time there is nothing the opposition manager can do in terms of personal changes to counter any unexpected changes by the opposition.

 

When they ask Adkins in every presser he confirms Lallana will be out 'for this game'.

 

One time they will ask him and he won't confirm if he will play or not.

 

That means he will play.

 

What is the point?

[Faz]

But Martin is young and guranteed to improve isn't he? All our young players are.

 

He's definitely young, and almost certain to improve.

[Turkish]

MLG I think you need to read up on what Alex Ferguson says about how he prepares for games fella. I'll rather listen to the way he does it and ex pros i know than how you do it on football manger thanks all the same.

[Turkish]

He's definitely young, and almost certain to improve.

 

How's that working out for Ryan Smith?

[shurlock]

Turkish, have you considered that if the opposition are guessing they have to prepare for a range of possibilities and a large % of the training in the build up is wasted time? If they know for certain a player is out they can use the time training in the build up to the game more productively.

 

Also, teams can base their own team selection on what they expect the opposition to play i.e. bringing in a fast defender to counter a fast striker, or a big defender to mark a big striker. As both team sheets are handed in at the same time there is nothing the opposition manager can do in terms of personal changes to counter any unexpected changes by the opposition.

 

As I say, I think hiding info is less important in terms of how we set up on the pitch than our ability to negotiate on a level playing field in the transfer market. If serious enough, Fonte's injury will bump clubs asking price. What was an important position to have cover in has now become an absolute priority.

But if Kraken is right and nothing can be kept secret in footballing circle, its all pretty irrelevant.

[Greenridge]

Why should we hear about a key player's injury? Nah, no reason. That's not the type of information that clubs share with the fans. Ever.

 

As fans we can't influence the situation and personally I won't sleep any better or worse if I do or don't know. It's up to the club to do what they see as fit in terms of communication of injuries.

[Greenridge]

How's that working out for Ryan Smith?

 

You should mention that some more, it's interesting.

[Turkish]

You should mention that some more, it's interesting.

 

Almost as interesting as following someone about and commenting on every post they make. Proper weird arent you.

[hypochondriac]

Imagine if Yoshida got injured in training this week. Doesn't bear thinking about.

[shurlock]

I don't necessarily have a problem with hiding bits of news if you can. But while it kind of makes sense in theory, in actuality its fairly irrelevant. The football scouting network is so interwoven throughout the game that pretty much all injuries and such like are an open secret. I've seen some of the dossiers that a PL/Championship club put together (a good friend of mine organises them for the club he works for); I've seen a couple they've done about Saints. And you simply wouldn't believe the amount of information in them, often which isn't in the public domain and a lot of the time i find out information that isn't even touched upon on the forums. The amount of research that goes into it is quite amazing, typically by a team of people who have contacts all over the world of football that will find that information.

 

Not blabbing the finer details of injury news is one thing, but trying to keep such a tiight lid on it is pointless.

 

That doesn't surprise me though it would be interesting to know whether this info was already out in the public domain or clubs had made a massive effort to keep things a secret. The reality is that many clubs aren't very hush hush.

A better test would to see how much news leaks out when a club operates a strict policy (given many don't). For instance, could your mate find out when Lallana is back?

I'd like to believe that if journos don't know -and they are equally, if not more integrated into the game and the rumour mill as scouts, not many outside the club do either.

[Greenridge]

Almost as interesting as following someone about and commenting on every post they make. Proper weird arent you.

 

Your numeracy is not so hot is it? You've nearly 16K of very interesting non-repetitive posts and I have less that 1.5K in the same period. You do the math.

[Turkish]

Your numeracy is not so hot is it? You've nearly 16K of very interesting non-repetitive posts and I have less that 1.5K in the same period. You do the math.

 

Come on Barry, your stalking is wierd. Other people have pointed it out to you, why do do it?

[S-Clarke]

Imagine if Yoshida got injured in training this week. Doesn't bear thinking about.

 

It's not too bad, we can recall Seaborne.

[Turkish]

It's not too bad, we can recall Seaborne.

 

True, he's young and guranteed to improve.

[Saint Fan CaM]

Come on Barry, your stalking is wierd. Other people have pointed it out to you, why do do it?

 

Perhaps for the same reason you stalk MLG? Just saying.

[Chez]

Not good. Hooiveld is not up to this level at all so we need Astori and probably one other if he is out for a while. CB such a vital position.

 

Jos looked fine at Stoke and his physical presence might work well against Benteke. Written off too early IMO.

[Roger]

True, he's young and guranteed to improve.

 

Seaborne is terrible.

[studentsaint]

Some said play the first team so we avoid a poor result, some said give fringe players a chance and don't risk injury. I think this is a prime example of what the second group were warning against. Missing our lynch pin and got a thumping to hit the confidence of our first team.

[Faz]

Woe is us, woe is us.

 

Chill pill people.

[Saint Charlie]

Jos looked fine at Stoke and his physical presence might work well against Benteke. Written off too early IMO.

 

He is sub standard at this level, looked shaky at Stoke and is awful against any striker with a bit of Prem class hence we we are going to be relegating him to 4th choice CB soon.

 

Players like Hooiveld are the problem, as soon as we have a couple of injuries like AL also the backup players are nowhere near good enough.

 

No way De Ridder should be the first option off the bench, we wasn't even that high in the pecking order last year!

[Shroppie]

Woe is us, woe is us.

 

Chill pill people.

 

Why?

[The Kraken]

He is sub standard at this level, looked shaky at Stoke and is awful against any striker with a bit of Prem class hence we we are going to be relegating him to 4th choice CB soon.

 

Players like Hooiveld are the problem, as soon as we have a couple of injuries like AL also the backup players are nowhere near good enough.

 

No way De Ridder should be the first option off the bench, we wasn't even that high in the pecking order last year!

 

Amen to that. Its also telling that our "second choice" right back only got a spot on the bench last week and neither he nor our "third choice" right back even make the bench today.

 

Mayuka is simply a massive let down this season, with every game that goes by I wonder more and more what is going on. He was never going to be a starting centre forward, so why did we really spend £3.5M on someone who sits on the bench most of the time?

 

Rodriguez also showed for me why he's not the answer for right now; great take for the goal but he did very very little else all game, and looked very lightweight. And with Ramirez doing his best Delgado impression and Lallana also out we just looked entirely bereft of ideas with what we have left.

 

Our PL survival is going to be utterly dependent upon players staying injury free.

[beatlesaint]

Mayuka is simply a massive let down this season, with every game that goes by I wonder more and more what is going on. He was never going to be a starting centre forward, so why did we really spend £3.5M on someone who sits on the bench most of the time?

 

I would really love to hear an answer to that question from anybody who was involved in bringing him to the club.

I would also love to know why he has never really been given a chance. He scared Spurs something stupid when he came on against them and played wide right. Have we seen him wide right since then ? Have we hell.

[ART]

With our manager still using the likes of de Riddler and the club not having players already lined up once the window opened I have lost faith. We are seeing a rerun of our summer window and injuries show we are just now prepared for the 2nd half of the season. Haven't felt so gutted for a long time.

[Saint Charlie]

With our manager still using the likes of de Riddler and the club not having players already lined up once the window opened I have lost faith. We are seeing a rerun of our summer window and injuries show we are just now prepared for the 2nd half of the season. Haven't felt so gutted for a long time.

 

We have got players lined up. Adkins said so before this game and clearly offers have been made. How are we seeing a rerun of the summer after FOUR days of the window being open?

[Red]

I can see a short term loan cover for Jose being drafted in PDQ

[SaintBobby]

I' m quite persuaded by what Kraken has said actually.

 

I'm happy for the club to stay quiet if this helps, but I am starting to wonder if it really does.

 

Is there an actual, describable time this season where one could argue it has worked (e.g. the opposition has fielded tall strong defenders expecting to play against Lambert and then we foxed them by playing two small, nippy forwards?)

[Matthew Le God]

MLG I think you need to read up on what Alex Ferguson says about how he prepares for games fella. I'll rather listen to the way he does it and ex pros i know than how you do it on football manger thanks all the same.

 

Dear Mr Turkish,

 

Watch this video and apologise please.

 

Regards,

 

Your forum nemesis

 

MLG x x

 

Enjoy - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20915231

 

(p.s. stop with the Football Manager insults it really is quite pathetic, as is your stalking of me on these forums)

Edited 6 January, 2013 by Matthew Le God

[student]

I would really love to hear an answer to that question from anybody who was involved in bringing him to the club.

I would also love to know why he has never really been given a chance. He scared Spurs something stupid when he came on against them and played wide right. Have we seen him wide right since then ? Have we hell.

 

I'd imagine it's all because they knew he was going to the African Nations cup. They did not want him to become a vital part of the side and then lose him for a month or two over January and February. He's clearly a good player and well rated but theres no point making yourself reliant on a player then losing them.

[The Kraken]

I'd imagine it's all because they knew he was going to the African Nations cup. They did not want him to become a vital part of the side and then lose him for a month or two over January and February. He's clearly a good player and well rated but theres no point making yourself reliant on a player then losing them.

 

I think there's probably a little more to it than that, if I'm honest.

[Turkish]

Dear Mr Turkish,

 

Watch this video and apologise please.

 

Regards,

 

Your forum nemesis

 

MLG x x

 

Enjoy - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20915231

 

(p.s. stop with the Football Manager insults it really is quite pathetic, as is your stalking of me on these forums)

 

Can you tell at what point he says it's a great idea not to tell anyone who is injured, I must have missed it.

 

Thanks.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2257039/Wayne-Rooney-injury-latest-Manchester-United-striker-miss-Liverpool.html

 

Although having revealed Rooney will be out for two weeks it looks like Man U won't be winning another game for a while. Put your money on Man City for the title and Liverpool to thrash the next week as Bredan Rogers will know not to prepare for Rooney. What an idiot, he obviously hasn't got a clue what he's doing.

Edited 6 January, 2013 by Turkish

[Turkish]

Seaborne is terrible.

 

He has the advantage that every Southampton player has through that they are guranteed to improve.

[Marsdinho]

Has anyone considered that it might be prudent to hide the extent of Fonte's injury, as we are in the market for a central defender.

 

Saints: "Hi, we want to buy Astori for £8M"

 

Cagliari: "Remind us again as to how long Fonte is out"

 

Saints: "6 weeks"

 

Cagliari: "You are a bit more desperate not then"

 

Saints: "Yes"

 

Cagliari: "£10M it is..."

[Turkish]

Has anyone considered that it might be prudent to hide the extent of Fonte's injury, as we are in the market for a central defender.

 

Saints: "Hi, we want to buy Astori for £8M"

 

Cagliari: "Remind us again as to how long Fonte is out"

 

Saints: "6 weeks"

 

Cagliari: "You are a bit more desperate not then"

 

Saints: "Yes"

 

Cagliari: "£10M it is..."

 

For one, I'm sure that is EXACTLY how the conversation would go and for two, we had bid for him, which was rumoured to be accepted or at least being negotiated, before the injury and for 3, what is to stop us lying to Cagliari and saying he's only out for a week?

[The Kraken]

Has anyone considered that it might be prudent to hide the extent of Fonte's injury, as we are in the market for a central defender.

 

Saints: "Hi, we want to buy Astori for £8M"

 

Cagliari: "Remind us again as to how long Fonte is out"

 

Saints: "6 weeks"

 

Cagliari: "You are a bit more desperate not then"

 

Saints: "Yes"

 

Cagliari: "£10M it is..."

 

In the case of Fonte I doubt the club know the true extent of his injury yet. Diagnosing injuries often isn't an immediate thing; for example, sometimes any swelling has to reduce before a proper diagnosis can be made.

 

So I don't think your made up little conversation is valid as a negotitation tactic in this instance, no.

[Nigel=God-Poyet=Sod]

In regards to hiding the extent of our injuries to the opposition before the game, we actually don't with regards to Lallana. For a game on Saturday we have a Thursday press conference, either late morning or early afternoon, where at least one but generally more journalists ask Nigel if Adam is fit for the weekend to which he replies "Adam won't be fit for the weekend, and that's all I'm saying". Therefore the opposition know that Lala isn't going to be playing and therefore doing it on a game by game basis is no different from just coming out from the beginning and revealing the true extent of the damage.

 

It would be all fine if the strategy actually works to hide info from our opposition, but it doesn't with the added media coverage every week.

[Doctoroncall]

For one, I'm sure that is EXACTLY how the conversation would go and for two, we had bid for him, which was rumoured to be accepted or at least being negotiated, before the injury and for 3, what is to stop us lying to Cagliari and saying he's only out for a week?

 

Dont say lie, that's negative, call it playing out a certain scenario ;-)

[oldsarum]

Several London Saints did a presentation to Ricky Lambert after the game

 

He said injury nothing too serious and taken off as a precaution

[James]

Several London Saints did a presentation to Ricky Lambert after the game

 

He said injury nothing too serious and taken off as a precaution

 

Taken off on a stretcher as a precaution?!

[for_heaven's_Saint]

Several London Saints did a presentation to Ricky Lambert after the game

 

He said injury nothing too serious and taken off as a precaution

 

Good stuff, cheers.

[S-Clarke]

Taken off on a stretcher as a precaution?!

 

tbf I've seen instances where players have been stretched off, and are then playing again the next weekend.

 

I know it was a knee injury he sustained, but no idea on what. Could have been a strain, or a twist and nothing major at all.

[ART]

We have got players lined up. Adkins said so before this game and clearly offers have been made. How are we seeing a rerun of the summer after FOUR days of the window being open?

There is a huge difference where the current Saints are concerned and players actually signing. Where the defense is concerned we should have been ready to bring in one or two on day one. It is and was that important to our survival. We will pussyfoot as Cortese does all possible to avoid fees and bonus payments. WE NEED INPUT NOW NOT NEXT MONTH

 

How come you have nothing to say about the fact we are worse off than 2004-2005 and the next 6 games pose far greater danger than what Redknapp faced at the start of 2005. I've had enough of excuses and those looking thru rose colored spectacles over our position.

 

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

Taken off on a stretcher as a precaution?!

 

A damn fine precaution seeing as we made Lallana walk off and never be seen since...

[for_heaven's_Saint]

There is a huge difference where the current Saints are concerned and players actually signing. Where the defense is concerned we should have been ready to bring in one or two on day one. It is and was that important to our survival. We will pussyfoot as Cortese does all possible to avoid fees and bonus payments. WE NEED INPUT NOW NOT NEXT MONTH

 

How come you have nothing to say about the fact we are worse off than 2004-2005 and the next 6 games pose far greater danger than what Redknapp faced at the start of 2005. I've had enough of excuses and those looking thru rose colored spectacles over our position.

 

 

Comparing our situation now to that of a completely different team, management and ownership, playing against 19 other completely different teams is absolutely pointless. We do not have a single player that we had that season, in fact there are very few teams that do.