Glasgow_Saint Posted 5 January, 2013 Posted 5 January, 2013 Doesnt look good stretchered off leg in brace Get well soon Jose we need you
melmacian_saint Posted 5 January, 2013 Posted 5 January, 2013 I hope and pray it's a precaution, but he was limping a bit through the 2nd half prior to their 3rd and 4th goals so I fear for the worst.
Saint Charlie Posted 5 January, 2013 Posted 5 January, 2013 Not good. Hooiveld is not up to this level at all so we need Astori and probably one other if he is out for a while. CB such a vital position.
Thedelldays Posted 5 January, 2013 Posted 5 January, 2013 Doesnt look good stretchered off leg in brace Get well soon Jose we need you no it wasnt
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 5 January, 2013 Posted 5 January, 2013 Whatever is wrong we wont hear about it. As none of us are Joses next of kin, why should we?
The Kraken Posted 5 January, 2013 Posted 5 January, 2013 As none of us are Joses next of kin, why should we? Why should we hear about a key player's injury? Nah, no reason. That's not the type of information that clubs share with the fans. Ever.
RobM Posted 5 January, 2013 Posted 5 January, 2013 Why should we hear about a key player's injury? Nah, no reason. That's not the type of information that clubs share with the fans. Ever. Is there a reason? You're right, clubs often do speak openly about this, other clubs don't, doesn't mean we should or have to hear about it. All that matters is Fonte is OK and recovers ASAP.
lambertsrightleg Posted 5 January, 2013 Posted 5 January, 2013 Why should we hear about a key player's injury? Nah, no reason. That's not the type of information that clubs share with the fans. Ever. or other clubs....
Fozzybear Posted 5 January, 2013 Posted 5 January, 2013 We're gonna have to move quickly on the transfer front now if Jose is out for any length of time. The magic of the FA Cup? It could end up costing us dear...
Fozzybear Posted 5 January, 2013 Posted 5 January, 2013 What exactly do the club gain from their media black-out on player injuries anyhow?
hypochondriac Posted 5 January, 2013 Posted 5 January, 2013 Buying a CB this week now becomes crucial IMO.
RobM Posted 5 January, 2013 Posted 5 January, 2013 What exactly do the club gain from their media black-out on player injuries anyhow? The same as their blackout on talking about team selection prior to each game. Give the opposition nothing to go on, rather than give them a head start on countering or attacking your tactics and lineup.
RobM Posted 5 January, 2013 Posted 5 January, 2013 Buying a CB this week now becomes crucial IMO. Agreed. One capable of stepping into the first team quickly and who is better than we have
Katalinic Posted 5 January, 2013 Posted 5 January, 2013 Buying a CB this week now becomes crucial IMO. We may even need 2 depending on the severity of the injury.
WealdSaint Posted 5 January, 2013 Posted 5 January, 2013 Buying a CB this week now becomes crucial IMO. Unless we sign them within the next couple of days it will Jos when we play Villa. We all know what is likely to happen if you play a new CB without a few training sessions first
rshephard3 Posted 5 January, 2013 Posted 5 January, 2013 As none of us are Joses next of kin, why should we? Well you would at the huge majority of clubs wouldn't you?
Matthew Le God Posted 5 January, 2013 Posted 5 January, 2013 What exactly do the club gain from their media black-out on player injuries anyhow? The opposition have no idea how we will line up, how to counter us at set pieces etc etc
Turkish Posted 5 January, 2013 Posted 5 January, 2013 The opposition have no idea how we will line up, how to counter us at set pieces etc etc Do you really believe this is true?
RobM Posted 5 January, 2013 Posted 5 January, 2013 Well you would at the huge majority of clubs wouldn't you? Does that make it the right thing to do?
Fozzybear Posted 5 January, 2013 Posted 5 January, 2013 The same as their blackout on talking about team selection prior to each game. Give the opposition nothing to go on, rather than give them a head start on countering or attacking your tactics and lineup. Seems a pretty tedious policy. If the player is not available through injury then he cant have any impact on the the opposition or the match, full stop. It doesnt make the blindest bit of difference, just annoys and misinforms the supporters.
david in sweden Posted 5 January, 2013 Posted 5 January, 2013 (edited) What exactly do the club gain from their media black-out on player injuries anyhow? Quite simple. You don't let the opposition know which players you're going to pick...and keep them guessing. .....alternatively, tell everyone in advance and let them use Plan B: If you were an opposing manager....wouldn't you like to know in advance if....for example.. RL was injured ?.....of course you would ...and you'd pick your team accordingly. Edited 5 January, 2013 by david in sweden
rshephard3 Posted 5 January, 2013 Posted 5 January, 2013 Does that make it the right thing to do? It can't make it a bad thing to do given the success of, say, Manchester United who are pretty much a role model club for playing football to earn your fortune. It's worked out just fine for them under all of Fergusons reign.
RobM Posted 5 January, 2013 Posted 5 January, 2013 Seems a pretty tedious policy. If the player is not available through injury then he cant have any impact on the the opposition or the match, full stop. It doesnt make the blindest bit of difference, just annoys and misinforms the supporters. But if the opposition doesn't know he isn't available, they don't know who will be in the starting 11. If they know Fonte isn't available, they know it'll be Jos and know how to attack him. If we keep it quiet, it could be either of them and the opposition won't be able to be specific in their preparation. For all we know he'll be back for Villa... or could be out for the season, Villa don't need to know either way. As a fan is f'ing annoying I agree, I want to know what's-what. But it does make sense from a tactical perspective.
Matthew Le God Posted 5 January, 2013 Posted 5 January, 2013 Seems a pretty tedious policy. If the player is not available through injury then he cant have any impact on the the opposition or the match, full stop. It doesnt make the blindest bit of difference, just annoys and misinforms the supporters. Do you really believe this is true? Of course I do. Why would anyone think otherwise? Opposition managers will often base their team selection on that of the expected line up of the opposition, they also do set piece drills in the days leading upto a game. If the opposition don't know if a certain player is playing or not it makes it harder to do. It doesn't matter at all if the fans aren't kept informed. I'd far rather Saints gain whatever edge they can over the opposition by not allowing them to fully prepare to face us.
Turkish Posted 5 January, 2013 Posted 5 January, 2013 Of course I do. Why would anyone think otherwise? Opposition managers will often base their team selection on that of the expected line up of the opposition, they also do set piece drills in the days leading upto a game. If the opposition don't know if a certain player is playing or not it makes it harder to do. It doesn't matter at all if the fans aren't kept informed. I'd far rather Saints gain whatever edge they can over the opposition by not allowing them to fully prepare to face us. So you think because they aren't sure if a player of ours is injured or not they would have no idea at all how to defend against us? How to set themselves up to defend set pieces. Is this what you really think?
dronskisaint Posted 5 January, 2013 Posted 5 January, 2013 Well you would at the huge majority of clubs wouldn't you? No...
RobM Posted 5 January, 2013 Posted 5 January, 2013 So you think because they aren't sure if a player of ours is injured or not they would have no idea at all how to defend against us. Is this what you really think? Would you line your defenders up tactically and physically (team selection) exactly the same for Lambert starting and for Mayuka starting? They offer different strengths and weaknesses and our selection of them gives a huge clue as to our likely tactics and style for that game. Same for players all over the pitch. As we showed against Arsenal and Stoke, we don't just play one way. We vary our approach and style depending on the opposition.
Matthew Le God Posted 5 January, 2013 Posted 5 January, 2013 (edited) So you think because they aren't sure if a player of ours is injured or not they would have no idea at all how to defend against us. Is this what you really think? What do you think happens in training in the build up to a game in modern professional football? They have analysed the opposition and prepare to defend and attack against the lineup they expect to play. If they don't know who will play and how they will play it makes preparation very difficult. It makes perfect sense not to give the opposition injury news. If you were Chelsea manager and you knew Mayuka was going to play today would you prepare for the game in the same way as if Lambert was going to play instead? Do you think the Allies should have told the Germans they were invading Normandy and for him not to bother defending other areas? Of course not, they kept them guessing where, how and when they would attack to keep them guessing and give them the best chance of victory. As Tesco's say... every little helps! Remember Adkins has been reading this... Edited 5 January, 2013 by Matthew Le God
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 5 January, 2013 Posted 5 January, 2013 Note to management at SFC: Please post information about everything from all first team matters to how many toilet rolls use in last month, we should know everything FFS!!
MOSaint Posted 5 January, 2013 Posted 5 January, 2013 What do you think happens in training in the build up to a game in modern professional football? They have analysed the opposition and prepare to defend and attack against the lineup they expect to play. If they don't know who will play and how they will play it makes preparation very difficult. It makes perfect sense not to give the opposition injury news. If you were Chelsea manager and you knew Mayuka was going to play today would you prepare for the game in the same way as if Lambert was going to play instead? Do you think the Allies should have told the Germans they were invading Normandy and for him not to bother defending other areas? Remember Adkins has been reading this... As he often reminds us, though he hasn't spoken much about it this season, perhaps he's finally finished reading it.
Saint Charlie Posted 5 January, 2013 Posted 5 January, 2013 Knee ligament injury, no idea on severity. Those are usually 4-6 weeks minimum I would have thought. Desparately need to add at least one CB.
S-Clarke Posted 5 January, 2013 Posted 5 January, 2013 Those are usually 4-6 weeks minimum I would have thought. Desparately need to add at least one CB. I think after tonight, we now need 2.
Thedelldays Posted 5 January, 2013 Posted 5 January, 2013 either way...looks like it will be Jos and yosh for villa lets hope they handle benteke
Turkish Posted 5 January, 2013 Posted 5 January, 2013 Ahh of Course. You're both right. Its only possible to prepare for one scenario, for one likely line up and for one set of tactics and players. During the game or even when the teams are announced an hour before kick off it is completely impossible to adapt your tactics and strategies to fit any unexpected changes. I'm stunned mangers haven't worked this out yet. Make one unexpected change every week to completely fool the opposition as they won't be tactically aware, prepared or able to adapt their tactics whatsoever. It is a guaranteed way to win every week. It worked so well for us when Mayuka ran riot against Sunderland, based on previous team selection they'd have had no idea he was playing or how to deal with him.
CanadaSaint Posted 5 January, 2013 Posted 5 January, 2013 Knee ligament injury, no idea on severity. Ligament injuries are seldom much less than six weeks.
shurlock Posted 5 January, 2013 Posted 5 January, 2013 (edited) So you think because they aren't sure if a player of ours is injured or not they would have no idea at all how to defend against us? How to set themselves up to defend set pieces. Is this what you really think? Forget about how we set up on the pitch. Surely it matters in the transfer window? If a selling club knew Fonte was out for a while and we were short at the back, it would be doing its upmost to exploit this vulnerability. This kind of knowledge means a massive shift in bargaining power. Edited 5 January, 2013 by shurlock
The Kraken Posted 5 January, 2013 Posted 5 January, 2013 Forget about how we set up on the pitch. Surely it matters in the transfer window? If a selling club knew Fonte was out for a while and we were short at the abck, it would be doing its upmost to exploit this vulnerability. I don't necessarily have a problem with hiding bits of news if you can. But while it kind of makes sense in theory, in actuality its fairly irrelevant. The football scouting network is so interwoven throughout the game that pretty much all injuries and such like are an open secret. I've seen some of the dossiers that a PL/Championship club put together (a good friend of mine organises them for the club he works for); I've seen a couple they've done about Saints. And you simply wouldn't believe the amount of information in them, often which isn't in the public domain and a lot of the time i find out information that isn't even touched upon on the forums. The amount of research that goes into it is quite amazing, typically by a team of people who have contacts all over the world of football that will find that information. Not blabbing the finer details of injury news is one thing, but trying to keep such a tiight lid on it is pointless.
rshephard3 Posted 5 January, 2013 Posted 5 January, 2013 No... Fundamental disagreement then. I believe the majority of clubs operate an open policy on the severity of injuries with respect to managers interviews, official website articles etc.
Saint Scott Posted 5 January, 2013 Posted 5 January, 2013 no it wasnt It was I was sat right on the dugouts. Looked in a fair bit of distress too. Really need a cb in before villa!
Saint Charlie Posted 5 January, 2013 Posted 5 January, 2013 Currently we are an illness or suspension away from Aaron Martin playing centre back for us!
The Kraken Posted 5 January, 2013 Posted 5 January, 2013 Currently we are an illness or suspension away from Aaron Martin playing centre back for us! Imagine Hooiveld and Martin as a Premier League centre back combo! Oh my days.
Turkish Posted 5 January, 2013 Posted 5 January, 2013 (edited) I don't necessarily have a problem with hiding bits of news if you can. But while it kind of makes sense in theory, in actuality its fairly irrelevant. The football scouting network is so interwoven throughout the game that pretty much all injuries and such like are an open secret. I've seen some of the dossiers that a PL/Championship club put together (a good friend of mine organises them for the club he works for); I've seen a couple they've done about Saints. And you simply wouldn't believe the amount of information in them, most of which isn't in the public domain and a lot of the time i find out information that isn't even touched upon on the forums. The amount of research that goes into it is quite amazing, typically by a team of people who have contacts all over the world of football that will find that information. Not blabbing the finer details of injury news is one thing, but trying to keep such a tiight lid on it is pointless. Quite. I find it hilarious that people like MLG think it's brilliant because it means they won't know how to prepare for us. A mate of mine used to play at Saints in the 90s and even back then they'd have dossiers full of info on every player in the squad. To use the reasoning that they won't known how to defend against us or prepare for us if they don't know who is playing is pathetic. They'll know everything about everyone of our players. Do people seriously think Premier league managers and coaches only prepare for one set of players and tactics in the run up to a game, are completely unable to change them and know absolutely nothing about anyone else other than are likely starting XI? Edited 5 January, 2013 by Turkish
S-Clarke Posted 5 January, 2013 Posted 5 January, 2013 Imagine Hooiveld and Martin as a Premier League centre back combo! Oh my days. I'd just forfeit the game. a 3-0 default defeat would probably be better than actually playing it.
Turkish Posted 5 January, 2013 Posted 5 January, 2013 Imagine Hooiveld and Martin as a Premier League centre back combo! Oh my days. But Martin is young and guranteed to improve isn't he? All our young players are.
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 5 January, 2013 Posted 5 January, 2013 Why should we hear about a key player's injury? Nah, no reason. That's not the type of information that clubs share with the fans. Ever. Well i'm not a needy hysterical tart so I suppose it wouldn't bother me in the same way it clearly does you.
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