Restark19 Posted 3 January, 2013 Share Posted 3 January, 2013 AC Milan's friendly match has been abandoned after Kevin Prince Boateng kicked the ball into the crowd and walked off the pitchafter suffering racist abuse Good Lad. http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/watch-video-of-ac-milan-player-1516492 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu0x Posted 3 January, 2013 Share Posted 3 January, 2013 About time. The only way this is going to change is if high profile players/clubs start taking some action that will actually negatively affect the idiots doing it in the first place. Did the rest of his teammates follow him off? Be a shame if they didn't. Unfortunately the end result will probably be FIFA fining the opposing team £500 for racist behaviour... and Prince Boateng £50,000 for violent conduct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudders Posted 3 January, 2013 Share Posted 3 January, 2013 Yeah whole team walked! Good stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 3 January, 2013 Share Posted 3 January, 2013 While of course it's a good thing that someone is taking a stance, what happens the first time a team walks of the pitch in the last minute when they are 1-0 down in a semi final of a cup competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 3 January, 2013 Share Posted 3 January, 2013 Massive over-reaction. Players can't just walk off the pitch whenever they hear a shout from the stand they don't like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 3 January, 2013 Share Posted 3 January, 2013 Surely this should be controlled by the referee, players leave the pitch if they deem there to be racial abuse. What is to stop a losing team walking off the pitch claiming they have been racially abused by the crowd but none of the officals heard it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 3 January, 2013 Share Posted 3 January, 2013 Massive over-reaction. Players can't just walk off the pitch whenever they hear a shout from the stand they don't like. Surely this should be controlled by the referee, players leave the pitch if they deem there to be racial abuse. What is to stop a losing team walking off the pitch claiming they have been racially abused by the crowd but none of the officals heard it? It was a friendly, why should any of them bother putting up with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 3 January, 2013 Share Posted 3 January, 2013 It was a friendly, why should any of them bother putting up with that? Because thousands of others had travelled, taken time out, spent money to see you play, you don't throw a strop because a minority sing a song or shout something you don't like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 3 January, 2013 Share Posted 3 January, 2013 Minefield opened up here. Yes it was only a friendly. But now, conversely, what is to stop opposing fans shouting racist abuse when their team are losing in a match in an attempt to get the opposition to walk off? UEFA are at fault here, they have ignored it in Eastern European nations especially for too long and the scenes (and fines) after the U-21 England game just highlighted how little they care about it in comparison to player fines. (look at what is happening at that Russian Club) In this instance, all credit to Boateng and the Referee should be banned for a season for not stepping in, that will be a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 3 January, 2013 Share Posted 3 January, 2013 Minefield opened up here. Yes it was only a friendly. But now, conversely, what is to stop opposing fans shouting racist abuse when their team are losing in a match in an attempt to get the opposition to walk off? UEFA are at fault here, they have ignored it in Eastern European nations especially for too long and the scenes (and fines) after the U-21 England game just highlighted how little they care about it in comparison to player fines. (look at what is happening at that Russian Club) In this instance, all credit to Boateng and the Referee should be banned for a season for not stepping in, that will be a start. You're right UEFA and FIFA are to blame for not dealing with it properly. It's quite simple though, if a player says he has been racially abused by the crowd or a player he reports it to the referee. The referee and the other officials then make the call and have the power to take the players off the pitch. If it's loud racial chanting from a section of the crowd i'm sure once it's been brought to the attention of the officals they will hear it. If it's just the odd idiot in the crowd shouting something out then surely they should be left wit the stewards and police to deal with. You cant have players just walking off in a strop if they get a bit of abuse from a few people in the crowd, it'll be happening every week or everytime a player claims to hear something they dont like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 3 January, 2013 Share Posted 3 January, 2013 While of course it's a good thing that someone is taking a stance, what happens the first time a team walks of the pitch in the last minute when they are 1-0 down in a semi final of a cup competition. That would be at best 'morally questionable' if you ask me I'd hope 99% of players would be above such an act. To brand an innocent group of fans as racists simply to get a game replayed would take some pretty low moral standards. You would need sufficient evidence to back up your claim, either from the referee, CCTV or microphones in the ground. I think any fraudulent claims would be (rightly) very harshly dealt with. Sour mash - You have a point. Half a dosen idiots in a crowd of 30,000 should probably be ignored and dealt with after the game. Behaviour like the Serbian U21 should absolutely not be tollerated. It's about where you draw the line and that's a massive grey area. Every player will react differently and have a certain threshhold of tollerance. One player might lose his rag because 2 muppets are making monkey noises, another might be able to play in front of 5,000 fans all throwing Nazi salutes and just think 'yeah, whatever'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 3 January, 2013 Share Posted 3 January, 2013 Because thousands of others had travelled, taken time out, spent money to see you play, you don't throw a strop because a minority sing a song or shout something you don't like. Who are you to say what the players should or shouldn't do? If the player is abused and wants to walk off and others want to support him then that is their call, not yours. You're an incredibly arrogant person if you think you can decide what is an acceptable level of racial abuse when it is not you being abused......unless, of course, you are the sort of person who routinely abuses players and members of society? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 3 January, 2013 Share Posted 3 January, 2013 That would be at best 'morally questionable' if you ask me I'd hope 99% of players would be above such an act. To brand an innocent group of fans as racists simply to get a game replayed would take some pretty low moral standards. You would need sufficient evidence to back up your claim, either from the referee, CCTV or microphones in the ground. I think any fraudulent claims would be (rightly) very harshly dealt with. Sour mash - You have a point. Half a dosen idiots in a crowd of 30,000 should probably be ignored and dealt with after the game. Behaviour like the Serbian U21 should absolutely not be tollerated. It's about where you draw the line and that's a massive grey area. Every player will react differently and have a certain threshhold of tollerance. One player might lose his rag because 2 muppets are making monkey noises, another might be able to play in front of 5,000 fans all throwing Nazi salutes and just think 'yeah, whatever'. But that's my point, where do you draw the line? One comment from a crowd of 50k? And what about not-racist abuse? THat can be pretty unpleasant as well, should players walk off every time? Or referees that get stick, how much should they take before they think stuff this? How would it effect the result if a team is 1-0 up with 5 minutes to go in a crucial end of season game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 3 January, 2013 Share Posted 3 January, 2013 Who are you to say what the players should or shouldn't do? If the player is abused and wants to walk off and others want to support him then that is their call, not yours. You're an incredibly arrogant person if you think you can decide what is an acceptable level of racial abuse when it is not you being abused......unless, of course, you are the sort of person who routinely abuses players and members of society? Who am I to say? I'm a football fan, posting on a football forum about stuff that happens at football matches, not complicated is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SB Posted 3 January, 2013 Share Posted 3 January, 2013 Massive over-reaction. Players can't just walk off the pitch whenever they hear a shout from the stand they don't like. Very narrow minded simpleton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 3 January, 2013 Share Posted 3 January, 2013 Who am I to say? I'm a football fan, posting on a football forum about stuff that happens at football matches, not complicated is it? Exactly.....you're sat in the comfort of your home, not out on a pitch being racially abused.....so basically you haven't got a clue. You're entitled to your opinion but you also need to accept that you are wrong and a bellend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 3 January, 2013 Share Posted 3 January, 2013 I did feel a bit bad for all the fans in their kingsland or whatever who was all quietly sitting on their hands politely not making monkey noises. I wonder if they got their money back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 3 January, 2013 Share Posted 3 January, 2013 Exactly.....you're sat in the comfort of your home, not out on a pitch being racially abused.....so basically you haven't got a clue. You're entitled to your opinion but you also need to accept that you are wrong and a bellend. Thank you for that insightful contribution to the thread, you can now go back to stalking Turkish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 3 January, 2013 Share Posted 3 January, 2013 Thank you for that insightful contribution to the thread, you can now go back to stalking Turkish. What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restark19 Posted 3 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 3 January, 2013 I did feel a bit bad for all the fans in their kingsland or whatever who was all quietly sitting on their hands politely not making monkey noises. I wonder if they got their money back. Think the Milan president said that they'd return and replay the match once the perpetrators were punished http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/20903561 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-cris Posted 4 January, 2013 Share Posted 4 January, 2013 I like that he did it, hope more players do it til the idiots get the point. They shouldnt have to put up with it. If the goons want to watch a football match then they should keep their discraseful chants to themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 January, 2013 Share Posted 4 January, 2013 Exactly.....you're sat in the comfort of your home, not out on a pitch being racially abused.....so basically you haven't got a clue. You're entitled to your opinion but you also need to accept that you are wrong and a bellend. Apologies. We should all bow to your superior knowledge and experience. Clearly you post this whilst being on a pitch whilst being racially abused so know all about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 4 January, 2013 Share Posted 4 January, 2013 I wasn't addressing you, so there is no need to apologise for someone else's error. Also, can you stop stalking me please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 January, 2013 Share Posted 4 January, 2013 I wasn't addressing you, so there is no need to apologise for someone else's error. Also, can you stop stalking me please. So did you post it whilst being racially abused or not? Or is it fair to say basically you dont have a clue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 4 January, 2013 Share Posted 4 January, 2013 I'm going to assume that black players don't like being racially abused. You are free to think otherwise though would obviously be wrong, but that seems to be your default setting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 January, 2013 Share Posted 4 January, 2013 I'm going to assume that black players don't like being racially abused. You are free to think otherwise though would obviously be wrong, but that seems to be your default setting. I struggling to see where anyone has said that isn't the case. Perhaps you could help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 4 January, 2013 Share Posted 4 January, 2013 Ok, here goes (though I think you're still going to be struggling)... Sour Mash thinks the players who are racially abused should not walk off the pitch and I said that that's not his decision to make because he doesn't know what it feels like to be racially abused on the pitch. You, very cleverly, pointed out that I didn't know what it was like to be racially abused on he pitch either, and then I pointed out that I imagined that it wasn't very nice. Now you're saying that everyone agrees that it's not very nice to be racially abused on the football pitch and it seems like the difference that we have is that I think the players have the right not to be abused and to take action if they want and you/sour mash seem to think they should just get n with it and ignore it. The problem with the approach is that it means nothing will ever change. However, if games are stopped or abandoned because of such abuse then maybe people will twice before saying this sort f stuff or maybe others n the crowd will tell them to shut up or report them to stewards and get them ejected so that game can continue. And in this way, the actions of the players can make the situation better. There. I have no doubt that you will not be able to understand any of the points I have made and will continue to be a tit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 January, 2013 Share Posted 4 January, 2013 I didn't think he was making a decision was he, merely giving his opinon that it was an overreaction and where do you draw the line. this is what forums are for are they not? Giving opinions. A football fan on a football forum, giving their opinion on football related matters. Maybe i was wrong and that every decision ever made is done via this forum. Do you consult the forum before you make any decisions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 4 January, 2013 Share Posted 4 January, 2013 Yes, he gave his opinion and I said he was wrong. You're still struggling, aren't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 January, 2013 Share Posted 4 January, 2013 No. It's his opinion on an incident. It's neither right nor wrong. It's not a question with a right or wrong answer is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 4 January, 2013 Share Posted 4 January, 2013 Are you saying that opinions can't be wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 January, 2013 Share Posted 4 January, 2013 Are you saying if someones opinion is different to yours then they are wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 4 January, 2013 Share Posted 4 January, 2013 Yes, of course. Who would hold an opinion that they didn't believe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 January, 2013 Share Posted 4 January, 2013 so you're the one saying opinions cant be wrong then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 4 January, 2013 Share Posted 4 January, 2013 Where did I say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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