Saint Garrett Posted 10 March, 2013 Share Posted 10 March, 2013 How is it sounding arrogant that 3 months ago Lallana was very important to the way we play. Now J-Rod has improved considerably I believe he is offering us more, therefore replacing Lallana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 March, 2013 Author Share Posted 10 March, 2013 How is it sounding arrogant that 3 months ago Lallana was very important to the way we play. Now J-Rod has improved considerably I believe he is offering us more, therefore replacing Lallana. Your posts are generally arrogant and have an air you can't be wrong about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 10 March, 2013 Share Posted 10 March, 2013 Your posts are generally arrogant and have an air you can't be wrong about them. Fair enough, your opinion...Although I'm not sure other posters would agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 10 March, 2013 Share Posted 10 March, 2013 Your posts are generally arrogant and have an air you can't be wrong about them. Fair enough, your opinion...Although I'm not sure other posters would agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 March, 2013 Author Share Posted 10 March, 2013 Fair enough, your opinion...Although I'm not sure other posters would agree with you. I don't care if they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 10 March, 2013 Share Posted 10 March, 2013 I havent got a lot to say about the situation at SMS at the moment; it feels like I've just sat on Nemesis at Alton Towers and we've pulling away from the station- I should screw my eyes up and hope for the best.... However, I do have the impression, and it may be wrong because I havent checked our line-ups over the last 4 or 5 games, that our loss of form has coincided with Lallana's last return from injury. I have always had a slight "all fart and no sh*t / headless chicken" impression about him. And him being included means someone like Puncheon, who has made a massive contribution this season, gets left out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 10 March, 2013 Share Posted 10 March, 2013 The biggest mistake made this season was appointing Adam as Captain. He's just not up to taking on this role and seems to have given him the right to run all over the place, pushing other players into a supporting role and then screwing up whatever transpires. Why Pochettino reverted to Adam as Captain after Ricky had done such a good job leaves me thinking Cortesé must have interfered with Adkins and then Pochettino in making Adam Captain. The sooner he gets to playing class football without his head filled by what he mistakenly thinks he should do in the role of Captain the better for Adam and the team. Give me Ricky or José Fonte anyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 10 March, 2013 Share Posted 10 March, 2013 Regarding the title of this thread.......at the moment the answer, for me, is a resounding yes. Sorry, I think the player is wonderful, but he aint doing us any favours at the moment. And please MP give the captain's aremband back to Rickie or Jose or Morgan.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom28 Posted 10 March, 2013 Share Posted 10 March, 2013 Can't be arsed to read through 7 pages of what I can only assume is bull****. Lallana is awesome. Premier League quality. He's exactly what the club is about and wants to be about. One of the first names on the team sheet when fit. End of. Anyone who disagrees can suck my chubby one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 10 March, 2013 Share Posted 10 March, 2013 Anyone who disagrees can suck my chubby one. I disagrees! I disagrees! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 March, 2013 Author Share Posted 10 March, 2013 Can't be arsed to read through 7 pages of what I can only assume is bull****. Lallana is awesome. Premier League quality. He's exactly what the club is about and wants to be about. One of the first names on the team sheet when fit. End of. Anyone who disagrees can suck my chubby one. Would an awesome player have blasted over from 10 yards when under no pressure in a crucial match? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 10 March, 2013 Share Posted 10 March, 2013 It's not the blasting over from 10 yards which worries me about AL as much as the long periods where he goes missing and the weaknesses in his defensive game ie not tracking back enough to help out Clyne and Shaw. He should definitely be relieved of the captaincy role. I still maintain though that our best football this season has been when AL, RL, GR and JP have combined, even allowing for the improvement in J-Rod's game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
110_Persaint Posted 10 March, 2013 Share Posted 10 March, 2013 Would an awesome player have blasted over from 10 yards when under no pressure in a crucial match? Did you even watch the game yesterday? o.O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 Turkish has his very own "Time to cash in on Cork?" thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 Turkish has his very own "Time to cash in on Cork?" thread! Damn...you´re gonna send me an invoice for this I guess....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 Still stick with my opening gambit on here, he simply didnt work back enough back then. Was a fantasyic attacking talent though. He was always very good but looks, fitter, stronger and more confident this year. He really is excellent and Im going to miss him. I must admit though, he was playing infront of Fox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 Still stick with my opening gambit on here, he simply didnt work back enough back then. Was a fantasyic attacking talent though. He was always very good but looks, fitter, stronger and more confident this year. He really is excellent and Im going to miss him. I must admit though, he was playing infront of Fox You were correct. Not sure what is so funny about this thread other than the title. If you actually read the content (novel idea I know) then there isn't much to disagree with what was being said at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draino76 Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 Still; at least we'll get more than the 1.5million Leftback said we'd get for him in one of his previous posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 Still stick with my opening gambit on here, he simply didnt work back enough back then. Was a fantasyic attacking talent though. He was always very good but looks, fitter, stronger and more confident this year. He really is excellent and Im going to miss him. I must admit though, he was playing infront of Fox Watched the stream on SyFy channel yesterday,very good it was too. Anyway the commentators (Scots knobber, don't know who it was) said Adam tended to go missing in games, doesn't last 90 minutes and doesn't work back consistently, good when he does though. Got the impression that he thought him overated. Doesn't seem to be putting in the same defensive contribution of late, probably because we really had nothing to play for and JRod's injury has put a bit of caution into their games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 (edited) Ive always rated Guly's defensive work but before he got injured Lallana was also stepping up and doing a lot more tracking back. IMO its one of the less appreciated reasons behind our recent improvement. I'm sticking with what I said -anyone who watched us could see he was tracking back and beginning to find his feet until he got injured. Of course, he was helped by Cork's return and Shaw's introduction. He's come on leaps and bounds under MP, even though the mongboard brain trust thinks MP is basically the same as Adkins (just fortunate enough to have a better squad at his disposal). Notwithstanding this huge improvement, the idea that even back then we were a more balanced team without Lallana and with Guly...well :lol: Edited 12 May, 2014 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 It really isn't that funny. At the time things were completely different. Anyone can find threads from two or three years ago where circumstances and systems of play were vastly different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washsaint Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 OMG....how much of a twit does this make Alpine look? His comments about Lallana and his position on lallana now are laughable. He must truly be on a wind up with his posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 May, 2014 Author Share Posted 12 May, 2014 Still stick with my opening gambit on here, he simply didnt work back enough back then. Was a fantasyic attacking talent though. He was always very good but looks, fitter, stronger and more confident this year. He really is excellent and Im going to miss him. I must admit though, he was playing infront of Fox I'll stick with what I said. We were being exposed down the left flank week in week out, Lallana was not at the level he's at now, no where near in fact and results had improved whilst he was out. I also think i was pretty clear in my OP that I rated him and considered him one of our best players but asked the question as we a better side without him. Didn't call for him to be dropped or didn't say I didn't rate him Still it'd be too much for the mugs on here to play the post not the poster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 I must admit though, he was playing infront of Fox so was boruc & he did ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 I must admit though, he was playing infront of Fox Not at the time the thread was started - Shaw had largely claimed the LB spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Tony Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 There's nothing wrong with this post. Adam didn't have his best season last year. Turkish noted in the post that he's a great player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 ok, so teams are better off without "great players" - I get it now. More fails than the Daily Fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 I'm sticking with what I said -anyone who watched us could see he was tracking back and beginning to find his feet until he got injured. Of course, he was helped by Cork's return and Shaw's introduction. He's come on leaps and bounds under MP, even though the mongboard brain trust thinks MP is basically the same as Adkins (just fortunate enough to have a better squad at his disposal). Notwithstanding this huge improvement, the idea that even back then we were a more balanced team without Lallana and with Guly...well :lol: You see what you want Shurlock, Im not gonna bother argueing. Guly gave us balance more then adam did back then, whether he was returning from injury or not is pretty redundant as at the time he wasnt the best option and I stand by that assessment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 Not at the time the thread was started - Shaw had largely claimed the LB spot. Well then it makes his contribution worse considering that he had a more competant defender behind him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 I havent got a lot to say about the situation at SMS at the moment; it feels like I've just sat on Nemesis at Alton Towers and we've pulling away from the station- I should screw my eyes up and hope for the best.... However, I do have the impression, and it may be wrong because I havent checked our line-ups over the last 4 or 5 games, that our loss of form has coincided with Lallana's last return from injury. I have always had a slight "all fart and no sh*t / headless chicken" impression about him. And him being included means someone like Puncheon, who has made a massive contribution this season, gets left out. So just over year ago you thought this about Lallana. Who had been playing for first team for 6 years 7 months and was 25. Now we can't do without him. Ramirez, who made his debut a year 7 months ago and is 23, and whose biggest fault is the form of Lallana, looks very good when had chance, established international, you write off and don't think will ever make it. Forgive me for keeping more open mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 Mongboard gold! LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 May, 2014 Author Share Posted 12 May, 2014 (edited) You see what you want Shurlock, Im not gonna bother argueing. Guly gave us balance more then adam did back then, whether he was returning from injury or not is pretty redundant as at the time he wasnt the best option and I stand by that assessment. We what we can deduce from this bumped thread is unlike was claimed that I was demanding he be dropped or saying I didn't rate him, I actually said I thought he was a great player. And probably key to it all is that it was a question to the forum to discuss, A question at the moment In time, December 2013, not may 2014 not with the benefit of a new manager and a vastly improved player and team a question and not demanding he be dropped. So those who find it "'mongboard gold" are talking sh+t as usual. Just like yesterday, shurlocks desperation to try and mug me off has spectacularly backfired yet again. "Playing the post not the poster" let's see what he drags up tomorrow. Edited 12 May, 2014 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 12 May, 2014 Share Posted 12 May, 2014 Things I have learned re-reading this thread:- 1) Relations between Chapel End Charlie and I are markedly better these days. 2) Lallana wasn't reaching his potential under Adkins. Same can be said for most players in Prem, admittedly. 3) "Flash" Gordon Watson is a prophet of some kind, predicting the arrival of Wanyama (or someone quite like him) 4) Contrary to everything I have ever claimed in the past, I might know something about football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 13 May, 2014 Share Posted 13 May, 2014 So just over year ago you thought this about Lallana. Who had been playing for first team for 6 years 7 months and was 25. Now we can't do without him. Ramirez, who made his debut a year 7 months ago and is 23, and whose biggest fault is the form of Lallana, looks very good when had chance, established international, you write off and don't think will ever make it. Forgive me for keeping more open mind Happy to hold my hands up and admit he has buckled down and proved me wrong. Childish brownie-points scoring with hindsight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 13 May, 2014 Share Posted 13 May, 2014 Happy to hold my hands up and admit he has buckled down and proved me wrong. Childish brownie-points scoring with hindsight. Yep, because you never get "told you so" point scoring on here if the hindsight happens to swing the other way.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 13 May, 2014 Share Posted 13 May, 2014 So just over year ago you thought this about Lallana. Who had been playing for first team for 6 years 7 months and was 25. Now we can't do without him. Ramirez, who made his debut a year 7 months ago and is 23, and whose biggest fault is the form of Lallana, looks very good when had chance, established international, you write off and don't think will ever make it. Forgive me for keeping more open mind Ramirez's faults have been a bit more than the 'form of Lallana'. He's been disappointing for us in his 2 years here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 14 May, 2014 Share Posted 14 May, 2014 Ramirez's faults have been a bit more than the 'form of Lallana'. He's been disappointing for us in his 2 years here. Agree, also been injury + consistency but point stands - he looked good when called upon this season. Cork kept out by Wanyama - sympathy. Ramirez kept out by JayRod and Lallana - lazy south american. But good Lallana is a good example of how quick to moan and IMHO very wrong some player assessments can be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 14 May, 2014 Share Posted 14 May, 2014 Class player has dip in form shocker. Mongboard gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo71 Posted 14 May, 2014 Share Posted 14 May, 2014 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 May, 2014 Author Share Posted 14 May, 2014 Class player has dip in form shocker. Mongboard gold. What is mongboard gold is how thick some people are. It was nothing to do with Lallanas form or ability, it was asking the question if the team at that time were better unit without him in it, its easy with hindsight 17 months on with a player massively Improved playing In a different system under a different manager to say it ways 'mongboard gold' and a load of nonsense but at the time it wasn't. Some people get it, quite a few don't which is no surprise considering the amount of divs that come on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 14 May, 2014 Share Posted 14 May, 2014 you're just bitter cos chapel end charlie's 6 year old could see something straight away that took you 17 months of hindsight to figure out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 May, 2014 Author Share Posted 14 May, 2014 Nah bear not at all. Having just read the thread back some people said it was a good discussion point and agreed with me that we did look better as a unit, some didn't and many made some very good points for and against. I suppose its just much easier for certain dickheads on here to pretend its someone saying Lallana is crap and demanding he be dropped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 14 May, 2014 Share Posted 14 May, 2014 What is mongboard gold is how thick some people are. It was nothing to do with Lallanas form or ability, it was asking the question if the team at that time were better unit without him in it, its easy with hindsight 17 months on with a player massively Improved playing In a different system under a different manager to say it ways 'mongboard gold' and a load of nonsense but at the time it wasn't. Some people get it, quite a few don't which is no surprise considering the amount of divs that come on here. So Lallana's upturn in form was due to playing more games or being left out of the team playing with the stiffs? MBG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 May, 2014 Author Share Posted 14 May, 2014 So Lallana's upturn in form was due to playing more games or being left out of the team playing with the stiffs? MBG What part of it was nothing do with Lallanas form or ability are you struggling with pal?thick as pig sh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 14 May, 2014 Share Posted 14 May, 2014 What is mongboard gold is how thick some people are. It was nothing to do with Lallanas form or ability, it was asking the question if the team at that time were better unit without him in it, its easy with hindsight 17 months on with a player massively Improved playing In a different system under a different manager to say it ways 'mongboard gold' and a load of nonsense but at the time it wasn't. Some people get it, quite a few don't which is no surprise considering the amount of divs that come on here. Indeed.... only last season Lallana was 'flattering to deceive' in many games at home.. I think MP has worked wonders on him to increase his effective contribution instead of showboating... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 14 May, 2014 Share Posted 14 May, 2014 Indeed.... only last season Lallana was 'flattering to deceive' in many games at home.. I think MP has worked wonders on him to increase his effective contribution instead of showboating... Note you're talking to the same mong who has argued that MP isn't better than Adkins - he's just been lucky to have a better squad at his disposal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 May, 2014 Author Share Posted 14 May, 2014 Note you're talking to the same mong who has argued that MP isn't better than Adkins - he's just been lucky to have a better squad at his disposal. right on cue Something else you've made up pal, today's chapter in fake posts from the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 14 May, 2014 Share Posted 14 May, 2014 Indeed.... only last season Lallana was 'flattering to deceive' in many games at home.. I think MP has worked wonders on him to increase his effective contribution instead of showboating... Also in the first half of last season we had Dan Fox playing left back and Lallana in front of him, which left us ridiculously weak at times. Lallana's fitness levels weren't quite up to it and he was fairly regularly subbed off in the second half (still is somewhat, to be fair). I remember a couple of games of the Fox/Lallana left side combo and it was just a nightmare. The transformation of Lallana as a player this season is incredible. He was always talented, of course. But he's added so much to his all round game now that there's no trade off to be had, he offers the skill and creativity while also putting in a bloody good shift and doing the defensive side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 14 May, 2014 Share Posted 14 May, 2014 What part of it was nothing do with Lallanas form or ability are you struggling with pal?thick as pig sh*t. Calm down Turkey. Are we a better side with an inform Lallana? Clearly rhetorical but surely the point is not lost on you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 15 May, 2014 Share Posted 15 May, 2014 Happy to hold my hands up and admit he has buckled down and proved me wrong. Childish brownie-points scoring with hindsight. It wasn't childish, nor point scoring - quite the opposite - pointing out of facts that may help you see that your criticism of players, particularly ones good enough to play internationally who you have never seen play, is is irrational and continually lead to you being proven wrong. Its not hindsight. As often you were wrong with information available at the time (he was first called into England squad last season) . hindsight is your annual excuse for your errors in judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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