Mmm Donuts Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 Our best home team would have Ramirez, Lallana and Ricky start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 Our best home team would have Ramirez, Lallana and Ricky start. Our best performance this season was Newcastle at home.......... Says it all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 Our best performance this season was Newcastle at home.......... Says it all Villa home? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 When the whole squad is available there are probably two line-ups to consider as our "best 11", these are 4-5-1 and 4-4-2. Of these, obviously the 5-man midfield is the more negative one that Adkins tends to use away to top sides. My 2 'best 11's', if that's not illogical would be: 4-4-2:- Boruc, Clyne, Yoshida, Fonte, Shaw, Puncheon, Schneiderlin, Cork, Lallana, Lambert, Rodriguez. 4-5-1:- Boruc, Clyne, Yoshida, Fonte, Shaw, Puncheon, Schneiderlin, Cork, Ramirez, Lallana, Lambert. I see AL in the best 11 in both line-ups with J-Rod and Ramirez as next in line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 3 March, 2013 Author Share Posted 3 March, 2013 Bump. What's people's view now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 Bump. What's people's view now? My view is whenever Adam is out injured it seems to take him a long, long time to get back to his best. Not criticising him or saying he isn't a good player etc, just stating what I believe to be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 Bump. What's people's view now? Let's ask the Popes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 No. Lallana is a class act when played in the correct position. He should be a legend in years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 He just wasn't direct enough yesterday. I remember in League 1 he used to shoot from the edge of the area, not part of his game these days. He's also developing a reputation as injury prone. Still a very good player when he's had a prolonged spell in the side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnailOB Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 Bump. What's people's view now? AL is a top quality player yet (IMO) JRod offered more to the game in same position when he came on for AL yesterday That said, I honestly wouldn't say we are better off without him. Think team selection is about balance and I don't think balance was right yesterday. AL can't be blamed for that. I would always prefer to have AL in the team but not sure he is right choice for a wide role. He is a very creative player and would probably be better suited to playing more central instead of Ramirez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 No. Lallana is a class act when played in the correct position. He should be a legend in years to come. Agreed, but what is his best position in this line-up ? Seems to me he and Ramirez are almost playing the same role...we had no width at all yesterday, and Puncheon should have been higher up and playing wide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 Thing is with Lallana he's never really had 'a position'. He's not really a wide man, you could argue that his best position is in the no10 role, but Gaston is probably more effective playing there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 Agreed, but what is his best position in this line-up ? Seems to me he and Ramirez are almost playing the same role...we had no width at all yesterday, and Puncheon should have been higher up and playing wide. I don't think he plays well in the centre; I like him on the right. When he was moved over to that side against Newcastle, he almost instantly set up Lambert's goal beautifully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 He's turned into a headless chicken and others in the squad when Adam plays as captain are following his style. He should never have been given the role of captain. Ricky and José in the role of captain are perfect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rshephard3 Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 The problem yesterday seemed to hinge on Punch, Lallana and Ramirez all playing from the start. Personally, I feel 2 out of those 3 is ideal, with Rodriguez taking the other place. I've been critical of him since his move from Burnley but have really warmed to him over the past few months. His direct running and desire to shoot on sight is something Lallana hasn't brought into the Prem. He works just as hard and is arguably more adaptable with regards not playing in his favoured position. Thought he made a real difference yesterday and did his bit to try to flip the game on its head. And he stayed in position, something Lallana had failed to do from the first whistle (though first prize for out of position antics has to go to Fox who, even to my amateur untrained eye, is so so inept it's frightening. I can't understand how he can't just stay in a box in the left back position and move up with the others, infield when the ball is on the other flank etc. Truly embarrassing watching him play at prem level) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 The problem yesterday seemed to hinge on Punch, Lallana and Ramirez all playing from the start. Personally, I feel 2 out of those 3 is ideal, with Rodriguez taking the other place. I've been critical of him since his move from Burnley but have really warmed to him over the past few months. His direct running and desire to shoot on sight is something Lallana hasn't brought into the Prem. He works just as hard and is arguably more adaptable with regards not playing in his favoured position. Thought he made a real difference yesterday and did his bit to try to flip the game on its head. And he stayed in position, something Lallana had failed to do from the first whistle (though first prize for out of position antics has to go to Fox who, even to my amateur untrained eye, is so so inept it's frightening. I can't understand how he can't just stay in a box in the left back position and move up with the others, infield when the ball is on the other flank etc. Truly embarrassing watching him play at prem level) You're right about Fox. His antics for their first goal were comic. Ball-watching whilst Remy ran straight past him, then run back to try and catch up, then when Remy went to the right to open up an angle run in the opposite direction towards goal. If he'd run towards Remy it would at least have restricted his options of where to shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 We are better these days with Davis in and Gaston on the bench. AL and Gaston in the same team - not for me. Gaston doesn't seem to support Punch very well either. I suppose in short as lots have said previously, Gaston is not the best 'Team' player...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 We are better these days with Davis in and Gaston on the bench. AL and Gaston in the same team - not for me. Gaston doesn't seem to support Punch very well either. I suppose in short as lots have said previously, Gaston is not the best 'Team' player...... Gaston was our most influential attacking player yesterday... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 We are a better team with Lambert as captain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 Schneiderlin for captain IMO. Or Fonte when fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 We are a better team with Lambert as captain. This. He plays better because he is captain as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 4 March, 2013 Share Posted 4 March, 2013 Gaston was our most influential attacking player yesterday... YES, but only when going forward on his own, on average he doesn't pass all that well to team-mates - and still looks as though he wants to prove himself. I'd be happier seeing him give 3 assists - rather than scoring one goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 9 March, 2013 Author Share Posted 9 March, 2013 Remember the tearing Guly got for missing a chance to put us clear at Stoke? Will the same treatment be dished out to Lallana for missing 3 good chances including an open goal today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
110_Persaint Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 To answer the title: YES, YES, YES. God-awful today Adam was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 Remember the tearing Guly got for missing a chance to put us clear at Stoke? Will the same treatment be dished out to Lallana for missing 3 good chances including an open goal today? Of course it won't. It'll be brushed under the carpet. Ramirez especially and Lallana were both utterly turd today. Puncheon must have been tearing his hair out to get on in front of those two misfires. Rodriguez was sh*t too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 Of course it won't. It'll be brushed under the carpet. Ramirez especially and Lallana were both utterly turd today. Puncheon must have been tearing his hair out to get on in front of those two misfires. Rodriguez was sh*t too. Perhaps Punch isn't totally fit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 Perhaps Punch isn't totally fit Perhaps if he's not worthy of more than 5 minutes on the pitch he shouldn't be on the bench in first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 Perhaps if he's not worthy of more than 5 minutes on the pitch he shouldn't be on the bench in first place. So by your logic Kelvin shouldn't have been on the bench either. Makes sense I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 Perhaps if he's not worthy of more than 5 minutes on the pitch he shouldn't be on the bench in first place. don't know who else we had available, think Mayuka has been cast aside definitively. Steve Davis ill, don't think Richardson appears on any build up videos so may be injured so that leaves err De Ridder ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 So by your logic Kelvin shouldn't have been on the bench either. Makes sense I guess. Yes, that's exactly the same. F*cking hell, that's good even from you :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 don't know who else we had available, think Mayuka has been cast aside definitively. Steve Davis ill, don't think Richardson appears on any build up videos so may be injured so that leaves err De Ridder ? Yeah, maybe not too many choices. The pojnt is; if Puncheon (or Clyne for that matter) are not fit and incapable of playing even one full half, I don't see the point of them being on the bench. Subs are for impact, or for defensively closing up and replacing attacking players and bringing a new dimension. Puncheon didn't do either, he had no time to. Mayuka is another discussion altogether, that one is just plainly bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 10 March, 2013 Share Posted 10 March, 2013 maybe not a better side, but certainly we need to get other players in better positions to finish. Lallana must surely have much fewer goals per attempts than most others. He's usually pretty good at finishing inside the six yard box, but his longer range efforts are very poor in comparison. With Lambert in his wider role, it means that Rodriguez and Puncheon are the best finishers (if playing) than most of the others. Ramirez has scored a few nice goals but mostly from close in, and it's good to see Schneiderlin on the score sheet a bit more often. We need to see more goals from midfielders, but sadly Lallana's profound skill have been brought into question... when we see threads like this one. IMHO he should be playing deeper and giving more chances to others, at least until he's had some more shooting practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 March, 2013 Author Share Posted 10 March, 2013 /\ he had an excellent chance yesterday and skied it, far easier than Gulys at Stoke which he got lambasted for missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 10 March, 2013 Share Posted 10 March, 2013 Would rather be playing Puncheon over Lallana at the moment, he's much more likely to create and or score at the moment. One difficulty is dropping your Captain but we have to be doing what's right for the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
110_Persaint Posted 10 March, 2013 Share Posted 10 March, 2013 Would rather be playing Puncheon over Lallana at the moment, he's much more likely to create and or score at the moment. One difficulty is dropping your Captain but we have to be doing what's right for the team. This. Well said mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 10 March, 2013 Share Posted 10 March, 2013 Would rather be playing Puncheon over Lallana at the moment, he's much more likely to create and or score at the moment. One difficulty is dropping your Captain but we have to be doing what's right for the team. Been saying this for a while. Lambert should be captain, and Lallana should be on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
110_Persaint Posted 10 March, 2013 Share Posted 10 March, 2013 Been saying this for a while. Lambert should be captain, and Lallana should be on the bench. You've also been saying Gaston should start in every game and that Ramirez > Lallana which overshadows times when you make sense like above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 March, 2013 Author Share Posted 10 March, 2013 It seems people are starting to agree with me and the point I made months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 10 March, 2013 Share Posted 10 March, 2013 You've also been saying Gaston should start in every game and that Ramirez > Lallana which overshadows times when you make sense like above. Ramirez is far better than Lallana though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 10 March, 2013 Share Posted 10 March, 2013 It seems people are starting to agree with me and the point I made months ago. Indeed. Certainly the poster who replied to you first has changed his tune a little... Lallana has to play if fit. He's class. But it's good to have alternatives if Adam isn't working Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 March, 2013 Author Share Posted 10 March, 2013 Indeed. Certainly the poster who replied to you first has changed his tune a little... Ironically the same poster who 1/2 hour ago accused me of knowing nothing about football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 10 March, 2013 Share Posted 10 March, 2013 Indeed. Certainly the poster who replied to you first has changed his tune a little... Yep I have indeed. That was from ages ago and he was so important to us last season. But I feel that he's gone backwards. Whether that is down to his injuries, but he's not been great for a good few months now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 10 March, 2013 Share Posted 10 March, 2013 Yep I have indeed. That was from ages ago and he was so important to us last season. But I feel that he's gone backwards. Whether that is down to his injuries, but he's not been great for a good few months now. You made that point about Lallana being undroppable in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 10 March, 2013 Share Posted 10 March, 2013 You made that point about Lallana being undroppable in January. Yep, and now I don't think he should be starting. J-Rod has improved a lot and has been one of our best players under MP, Gaston is better than Lallana and Puncheon is important to the way we play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 March, 2013 Author Share Posted 10 March, 2013 Yep I have indeed. That was from ages ago and he was so important to us last season. But I feel that he's gone backwards. Whether that is down to his injuries, but he's not been great for a good few months now. So when you said he was undroppable you based it on what he'd done in the championship, not in the premier league, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 10 March, 2013 Share Posted 10 March, 2013 It was more of the fact that he had pretty much played every game we played and has looked good at times. However I think J-Rod deserves to start instead of him at the moment. Under Adkins Lallana was contributing enough offensively to make up for his awful defensive work. I don't think J-Rod would imporve as much as he has under MP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 10 March, 2013 Share Posted 10 March, 2013 Ironically the same poster who 1/2 hour ago accused me of knowing nothing about football. Saint Garrett is about as consistant as Saints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 10 March, 2013 Share Posted 10 March, 2013 I didn't realise changing your opinion was a crime on here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
110_Persaint Posted 10 March, 2013 Share Posted 10 March, 2013 I didn't realise changing your opinion was a crime on here? It's not, but sounding uppity and arrogant, convinced that your opinion is correct then backtracking on it makes you look like a plank. HTH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 10 March, 2013 Share Posted 10 March, 2013 I didn't realise changing your opinion was a crime on here? I know if anything makes u more creditable. For me Lallana is massively overrated by our fans. Ramirez was much better yesterday and is 3 years younger. Championship player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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