THEVMAN Posted 3 January, 2013 Share Posted 3 January, 2013 Saw the thread title, no need to read any posts. The answer is 'no'. Thats how i like it short,sweet and to the point with no bull****ting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 3 January, 2013 Share Posted 3 January, 2013 Brilliant. Simply brilliant. Thanks for the insight; I'm convinced. I was going to reply to that one myself, but I thought "nah, someone else is BOUND to pick it up". Twelve minutes. I'm impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 3 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 3 January, 2013 I was going to reply to that one myself, but I thought "nah, someone else is BOUND to pick it up". Twelve minutes. I'm impressed. Gutted to have missed the opportunity, I was trainer shopping online. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 3 January, 2013 Share Posted 3 January, 2013 I was going to reply to that one myself, but I thought "nah, someone else is BOUND to pick it up". Twelve minutes. I'm impressed. Wonder what he got in his English GCSE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 3 January, 2013 Share Posted 3 January, 2013 Gutted to have missed the opportunity, I was trainer shopping online. Reebok classic high tops? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch01 Posted 3 January, 2013 Share Posted 3 January, 2013 Brilliant. Simply brilliant. Thanks for the insight; I'm convinced. I'm genuinely flabbergasted that the issue has even been brought up. Lallana is an absolutely huge player for us, and has been crucial to our season so far. Perhaps my post came across as patronising - I didn't mean it to be - but I was just trying to express my disbelief that one of our best players' contribution has been brought into question. Wonder what he got in his English GCSE A*, thanks for asking. Although that was some years ago now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 3 January, 2013 Share Posted 3 January, 2013 I'm genuinely flabbergasted that the issue has even been brought up. Lallana is an absolutely huge player for us, and has been crucial to our season so far. Perhaps my post came across as patronising - I didn't mean it to be - but I was just trying to express my disbelief that one of our best players' contribution has been brought into question. Perhaps if you'd have, you know, read the thread you'd maybe see the reasoning for suggesting dropping Lallana or Ramirez for some games. For instance Ramirez, possibly our most creative player (certainly most expensive) being dropped for the Stoke game, in which we were rather unlucky to only draw the game and put in a decent solid performance. Also Lallana being unavailable for Arsenal but Saints looking altogether more solid in defence and midfield as a consequence. I'll put the thread in a nutshell for you; some of us believe that there are occasions when the best 11 players available do not not necessarily make the best team. There are sometimes when we may be advised to forsake being an all-attacking team in order to play tighter and differently against some sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 3 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 3 January, 2013 I'm genuinely flabbergasted that the issue has even been brought up. Lallana is an absolutely huge player for us, and has been crucial to our season so far. Perhaps my post came across as patronising - I didn't mean it to be - but I was just trying to express my disbelief that one of our best players' contribution has been brought into question. A*, thanks for asking. Although that was some years ago now. You're missing the point, like a lot of people have. But then as you only read the thread title and none of the comments, points or discussion for or against your comment .is neither valid, patronising, accurate or considered. So express your disbelief all you want and keep your head in your little A* bubble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 3 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 3 January, 2013 Reebok classic high tops? Naturally. I was actually looking for a rare pair of retro 2000 World cup Paul Smith designed Reebok classics, what with me being a style guru and all that. Drawn a blank so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch01 Posted 3 January, 2013 Share Posted 3 January, 2013 Perhaps if you'd have, you know, read the thread you'd maybe see the reasoning for suggesting dropping Lallana or Ramirez for some games. For instance Ramirez, possibly our most creative player (certainly most expensive) being dropped for the Stoke game, in which we were rather unlucky to only draw the game and put in a decent solid performance. Also Lallana being unavailable for Arsenal but Saints looking altogether more solid in defence and midfield as a consequence. I'll put the thread in a nutshell for you; some of us believe that there are occasions when the best 11 players available do not not necessarily make the best team. There are sometimes when we may be advised to forsake being an all-attacking team in order to play tighter and differently against some sides. If you strictly mean 'under certain circumstances' then I am more inclined to agree with you, but still not completely. If we were to drop a 'luxury' player for games like Stoke, for example, then Ramirez should be the one to make way at this stage - although that may change. I have always been extremely impressed with Lallana's work-rate and his ability to make crucial interceptions to disrupt the opposition. That being the case I don't really see him as a luxury at all, in fact the only area where Guly at LM would be beneficial is from set pieces IMO. (Not that I am anti-Guly particularly, he has done very well in the last few games). I just think Lallana is a 'must-start' player for us, and can adapt to whatever job Nigel assigns to him. Out of posts now, I'm afraid my budget doesn't stretch to £5 - especially after a lovely $100 fine I picked up over here in Canada on NYE for consuming alcohol in the street. Still fuming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 3 January, 2013 Share Posted 3 January, 2013 If I had to accomodate one of Ramirez or Lallana then I am sorry my choice will generally fall into the Ramirez camp 9/10 as IMO he is slowly beginning to find his form in the english league Completely agree with his words in his interview aswell, I reckon he is going to suddenly click and tear someone a new a hole, Lallana is good but he will never be the player Gaston is destined to be IMO Luckily we can generally accomodate both but agree at times we will need to have a stronger defence against a decent flanking team. (Lb -lw pairing etc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 4 January, 2013 Share Posted 4 January, 2013 It's typical Chapel End Charlie stuff, tbh. I don't think I've ever seen him concede a point. My take is that he wandered in here with what he thought would be a popular opinion, has once again made a fool of himself, exacerbating the situation with the usual personal insults that tend to pop up when he's under the cosh. I'm only really hanging about this thread until he speaks for the entire forum. He's used this power before. I want to see how it's done. Pulpy, I wonder if these good on here know why I'm so obviously in your 'bad books' as the saying has it - the truth being of course this has little or nothing to do with Guly do Prado. Methinks I better explain. Before Xmas you thought it would be a smashing idea to start a thread in the Lounge promoting the ridiculous - if not to say disgraceful - notion that the Apollo Moon landings were some vast fraud and that Neil Armstrong et al are a bunch of foul lairs. Now when (to your apparent surprise) you discovered that the rest of the forum decisively rejected this nonsense as the risible garbage it undoubtedly is, you took great offence at that and worked yourself up into a right old tizzy about it. My advice to you is just learn to accept that you're certainly not the first (or indeed the last) person to make a fool of themselves on here, and that in the grand scheme of things this minor embarrassment doesn't amount to anything of great importance. But if you really want to try and get your revenge on me then by all means carry on - but I do hope you realise that constantly picking at your scabs is unlikely to make them heal any faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 4 January, 2013 Share Posted 4 January, 2013 Arf. Not really my recollection of events. Good to see you speak for the forum again, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 4 January, 2013 Share Posted 4 January, 2013 Sorry for the double post. Revenge? Ah, that's beautiful. Kinda implies that I was hurt by the furious barbs of Trippie Trap Trollie. My advice to you, sir? Be happier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 4 January, 2013 Share Posted 4 January, 2013 Back on topic. Interview with "Flash" Gordon Watson in the Echo. http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/10140225.Ex_Saint_Watson__Adkins_needs_battlers_to_complement_his_creative_stars/?ref=rss&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter He reckons we need dogs of war to complement our creative talent. “We see the best of Ramirez when Adam Lallana is not in the team, as those two are very alike." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 4 January, 2013 Share Posted 4 January, 2013 (edited) Back on topic. Interview with "Flash" Gordon Watson in the Echo. http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/10140225.Ex_Saint_Watson__Adkins_needs_battlers_to_complement_his_creative_stars/?ref=rss&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter He reckons we need dogs of war to complement our creative talent. “We see the best of Ramirez when Adam Lallana is not in the team, as those two are very alike." I see Diame apparently has a release clause in his contract. Could be the 'destroyer' type CM we could use at times? though that said I think CM is probably the position we are strongest in with Corky & Morgan. Edit: not entirely sure he would want to leave. But he is a player I do rate highly. Edited 4 January, 2013 by KelvinsRightGlove Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 4 January, 2013 Share Posted 4 January, 2013 Back on topic. Interview with "Flash" Gordon Watson in the Echo. http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/10140225.Ex_Saint_Watson__Adkins_needs_battlers_to_complement_his_creative_stars/?ref=rss&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter He reckons we need dogs of war to complement our creative talent. “We see the best of Ramirez when Adam Lallana is not in the team, as those two are very alike." He's clearly been reading this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 4 January, 2013 Share Posted 4 January, 2013 Answer to the OP is No. Also absolute rubbish that Ramirez plays best when no AL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 4 January, 2013 Share Posted 4 January, 2013 I see Diame apparently has a release clause in his contract. Could be the 'destroyer' type CM we could use at times? though that said I think CM is probably the position we are strongest in with Corky & Morgan. Edit: not entirely sure he would want to leave. But he is a player I do rate highly. Either of our 2 CMs can play a "Diamé role" if the manager lets them. It's the system that dictates a player's actions. We have been greatly handicapped because Morgan was very quickly on 4 cards and having seen our performance against Everton it was pretty obvious that even a 1 match suspension would be pretty bad news for us. So he had to go 8 games or so without a card whereas the average for a real CM is about 1 in 4. They all get cards, most of them have been suspended at least once, it's an occupational hazard. Cork doesn't get any cards at all, he used to though, a lot, perhaps he was playing in defence at Burnley though, I just don't remember but if you want aggressive CMs then you have to have a replacement system cos they're going to get suspended about once in every 15/18 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 4 January, 2013 Share Posted 4 January, 2013 Doesn't the card collecting occupational of the CM justify getting another to cover suspensions and injuries? Quite a few of my NI supporting mates rate Davis highly. Is he the bloke that could step into the breach? Thought he was alright against Arsenal. I broadly agree with Flash though. Couple battlers would not go amiss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 4 January, 2013 Share Posted 4 January, 2013 Either of our 2 CMs can play a "Diamé role" if the manager lets them. It's the system that dictates a player's actions. We have been greatly handicapped because Morgan was very quickly on 4 cards and having seen our performance against Everton it was pretty obvious that even a 1 match suspension would be pretty bad news for us. So he had to go 8 games or so without a card whereas the average for a real CM is about 1 in 4. They all get cards, most of them have been suspended at least once, it's an occupational hazard. Cork doesn't get any cards at all, he used to though, a lot, perhaps he was playing in defence at Burnley though, I just don't remember but if you want aggressive CMs then you have to have a replacement system cos they're going to get suspended about once in every 15/18 games. Errrm, I'm unsure if you are agreeing or disagreeing with meh? Seems like you are saying a replacement would be good? Diame for £3.5m (according to Saggychops), seems a steal to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 4 January, 2013 Share Posted 4 January, 2013 Doesn't the card collecting occupational of the CM justify getting another to cover suspensions and injuries? Quite a few of my NI supporting mates rate Davis highly. Is he the bloke that could step into the breach? Thought he was alright against Arsenal. I broadly agree with Flash though. Couple battlers would not go amiss. He was good against Arsenal, having a better defence nowadays probably helps not to mention a better left side outlet . Usually Cork plays right biased and Morgan left, Davis played left and Morgan right I think on Tuesday, seemed a good plan. I liked our formation on Tuesday, if it was up to me I'd stick with it, maybe even move Clyne forward a notch if I desperately wanted to re-integrate him. Then again I liked Guly's attitude and aggessivity and you can't drop punch just now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 4 January, 2013 Share Posted 4 January, 2013 Errrm, I'm unsure if you are agreeing or disagreeing with meh? Seems like you are saying a replacement would be good? Diame for £3.5m (according to Saggychops), seems a steal to me. Diamé won't want to be a bench player and I don't want to see any change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 4 January, 2013 Share Posted 4 January, 2013 Diamé won't want to be a bench player and I don't want to see any change. Probably a pretty fair point. Though having seen the impact he had against Chelsea, I would still love him in the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 4 January, 2013 Share Posted 4 January, 2013 (edited) Probably a pretty fair point. Though having seen the impact he had against Chelsea, I would still love him in the squad. Doubt if any club will ever punt really big money on Diamé. IIRC he has some sort of heart problem, pity really because he's not a bad lad, played in the same tyro leagues as my son when we lived in the Parisian suburbs. Edited 4 January, 2013 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 4 January, 2013 Share Posted 4 January, 2013 Doubt if any club will ever punt really big money on Diamé. IIRC he has some sort of heart problem, pity really because he's not a bad lad, played in the same tyro leagues as my son when with lived in the Parisian suburbs. That's an interesting story. Didn't realise about his heart troubles. Probably will play on peoples minds after the Muamba case. Shame, I really rate the guy - think he is a very good CM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Stickman Posted 4 January, 2013 Share Posted 4 January, 2013 Charlie, as you have obvious respect for your 6 year old son’s opinion that ‘Guly is rubbish’ perhaps you should allow him to argue his point on here: he might make a better fist of it than you’re doing. In my opinion, overall, Guly has contributed very well to the team these last few games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 4 January, 2013 Share Posted 4 January, 2013 Charlie, as you have obvious respect for your 6 year old son’s opinion that ‘Guly is rubbish’ perhaps you should allow him to argue his point on here .... Well I'd ask him to reply my friend, unfortunately his grammar and spelling are even worse than mine, and anyway he's been sent to bed early because he's been a very very naughty boy today ... this trait may run in the family. Now I'll grant you that debating the finer points of the off-side rule and the advantages of the 433 formation may be a bit beyond him at this age, but surely one of the great strengths of football - indeed what separates it from lesser sports - is that it is in essence a beautifully simple and flowing game that people of all ages can both enjoy and participate in. When a 6 year old sees a forward player of ours miss a open goal, or stick it in his own net, it doesn't really occur to him that the player in question may add some ill-defined sense of 'balance' to the team, or maybe track back defensively on occasion. In his childlike way all he sees and feels is the failure to score and the pain of seeing the team he loves stuck in (or around) the relegation zone again. Despite their obviously underdeveloped intellectual capabilities, I think there is much the wise man can learn from children, if only he takes the trouble to see things from their viewpoint. I do hope I'm not the only person on here to have noticed that children have a wonderfully honest way of cutting through the bullsh1t that we adults spend our lives immersed in. Sometimes they can see things for what they really are in a way the rest of us find hard to emulate. No doubt you lot will vehemently disagree - but that's alright because I really wouldn't expect anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 4 January, 2013 Well I'd ask him to reply my friend, unfortunately his grammar and spelling are even worse than mine, and anyway he's been sent to bed early because he's been a very very naughty boy today ... this trait may run in the family. Now I'll grant you that debating the finer points of the off-side rule and the advantages of the 433 formation may be a bit beyond him at this age, but surely one of the great strengths of football - indeed what separates it from lesser sports - is that it is in essence a beautifully simple and flowing game that people of all ages can both enjoy and participate in. When a 6 year old sees a forward player of ours miss a open goal, or stick it in his own net, it doesn't really occur to him that the player in question may add some ill-defined sense of 'balance' to the team, or maybe track back defensively on occasion. In his childlike way all he sees and feels is the failure to score and the pain of seeing the team he loves stuck in (or around) the relegation zone again. Despite their obviously underdeveloped intellectual capabilities, I think there is much the wise man can learn from children, if only he takes the trouble to see things from their viewpoint. I do hope I'm not the only person on here to have noticed that children have a wonderfully honest way of cutting through the bullsh1t that we adults spend our lives immersed in. Sometimes they can see things for what they really are in a way the rest of us find hard to emulate. No doubt you lot will vehemently disagree - but that's alright because I really wouldn't expect anything else. You dont half talk some nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 4 January, 2013 Share Posted 4 January, 2013 You dont half talk some nonsense. Ha! I couldn't agree more. When were you thinking of coming off the fence and telling us what you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 4 January, 2013 Ha! I couldn't agree more. When were you thinking of coming off the fence and telling us what you think. When you tell me why Guly was so poor on tuesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 4 January, 2013 Share Posted 4 January, 2013 When you tell me why Guly was so poor on tuesday. Just after you tell me what your opinion is - this only seems polite as you started this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 4 January, 2013 Just after you tell me what your opinion is - this only seems polite as you started this thread. And i have already give it and asked you the same question several times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 4 January, 2013 Share Posted 4 January, 2013 And i have already give it and asked you the same question several times. Help me out here - which post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 4 January, 2013 Help me out here - which post? There are several. Where is your post on why Guly was so poor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 4 January, 2013 Share Posted 4 January, 2013 There are several Please be specific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 4 January, 2013 Please be specific. Just look on the thread! Then tell me why Guly was so terrible on tuesday, or before, just as good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 4 January, 2013 Share Posted 4 January, 2013 Jeez Charlie, you're unreal. For a bloke who writes a lot, you're a poor reader. I try to ignore Turkish posts but even I know his opinion on this. I've asked you, Turkish has asked, as have others. What was wrong with Guly performance on Tuesday, and how did not make a positive contribution to the team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 4 January, 2013 Jeez Charlie, you're unreal. For a bloke who writes a lot, you're a poor reader. I try to ignore Turkish posts but even I know his opinion on this. I've asked you, Turkish has asked, as have others. What was wrong with Guly performance on Tuesday, and how did not make a positive contribution to the team? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 4 January, 2013 Share Posted 4 January, 2013 Just look on the thread! Then tell me why Guly was so terrible on tuesday, or before, just as good. But I don't know what part of this thread you are referring to - it is rather long. If it's so difficult to you to find, why don't you provided a short summery here and now of your latest Guly view? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 4 January, 2013 But I don't know what part of this thread you are referring to - it is rather long. If it's so difficult to you to find, why don't you provided a short summery here and now of your latest Guly view? I've already done so and as Egg says plenty of other people have managed to find it, even those that ignore my posts. It's only a 4 pages long thread, it isn't difficult. In the time it takes me to write a short summary you'll find it. Lets see yours on why he was so poor on tuesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 4 January, 2013 Share Posted 4 January, 2013 I've already done so and as Egg says plenty of other people have managed to find it, even those that ignore my posts. It's only a 4 pages long thread, it isn't difficult. In the time it takes me to write a short summary you'll find it. Lets see yours on why he was so poor on tuesday. Well as you can't (or won't) produce any evidence of the alleged post then I'm starting to thing that maybe it doesn't exist. But please feel free to take this opportunity to rectify the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 4 January, 2013 Well as you can't (or won't) produce any evidence of the alleged post then I'm starting to thing that maybe it doesn't exist. But please feel free to take this opportunity to rectify the situation. Are you going to rectify the situation and tell us why Guly was so poor on tuesday? Other than in the opinion of your six year old who has been sent to bed with no supper of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 4 January, 2013 Share Posted 4 January, 2013 Are you going to rectify the situation and tell us why Guly was so poor on tuesday? Other than in the opinion of your six year old who has been sent to bed with no supper of course. I will refer you to my previous reply(s) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 4 January, 2013 Share Posted 4 January, 2013 Are you going to rectify the situation and tell us why Guly was so poor on tuesday? Other than in the opinion of your six year old who has been sent to bed with no supper of course. I don't think Charlie has an answer (or any idea for that matter) so probably best to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 4 January, 2013 Share Posted 4 January, 2013 I don't think Charlie has an answer (or any idea for that matter) so probably best to move on. I hope he doesn't - I'm genuinely interested to see his opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 4 January, 2013 Share Posted 4 January, 2013 I don't think Charlie has an answer (or any idea for that matter) so probably best to move on. I suspect his kid was delighted to be sent to bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 4 January, 2013 Share Posted 4 January, 2013 Dude, you've had four pages of opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 4 January, 2013 Share Posted 4 January, 2013 I suspect his kid was delighted to be sent to bed. Don't you believe it! I'm told him any more trouble and I'm going to the Chelsea game tomorrow without him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 4 January, 2013 Share Posted 4 January, 2013 I hope he doesn't - I'm genuinely interested to see his opinion. Post #1 of this thread summed it up pretty well, I thought. Not too much grey area there. Carry on though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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