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Supersubpuckett

Supersubpuckett

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My Arsenal supporting brother said to me yesterday that they are signing him. And having watched the highlights of Arsenal v Newcastle, I can see why they'd want a left back - Gibbs is ****. His positioning is almost as bad as Fox's.

 

Unless your brother is the chairman or wenger, how the fvkc does he know???

Dr. Kucho

Dr. Kucho

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Lets hope Shaw plays crap on NYD then

 

NO! I hope he destroys Arsenal, along with the rest of the team.

 

Sadly I cant attend the game, but could you lot who are going let Wenger know we don't appreciate him nicking are academy players. And Nicola, bring Jaidi along to mind

our players and keep Wenger at a distance.

CB Fry

CB Fry

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If he does go I think we can safely say that talk of being an established premier league side with 50% of the squad being academy players is nothing more than fanciful talk.

 

Typical DSM.

Dig Dig

Dig Dig

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Questions would have to be asked if the club let Shaw go for a paltry £5m

 

Our first interest payment on our mega loan is due so need to raise a bit of silver for that.

Wes Tender

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It amuses me that the red tops are so confident that the Arse will sign Shaw and the figure of £5 million really is derisory enough to gain the biggest belly-laughs of all.

 

Doesn't it occur to them that apart from anything else, the top glory teams all want him, so it is suggestive that the price would be forced up to the level that the club that wants him most would be prepared to pay for him. And that is even if we were prepared to sell him for that amount, when we don't need the money. So either Arseanl can raise their offer to a ridiculous amount, or they can go and take a running jump.

Wade Garrett

Wade Garrett

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We can't consider letting any of our decent players leave at the moment, regardless of what cash is offered.

 

Maybe we could persuade Wenger to buy Fox for £5m. He has got a track record of signing crap defenders.

St_Tel49

St_Tel49

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For his own good I think he needs to go

 

Much better coaching etc at Arsenal

 

 

But as a Saints Supporter I hope he stays

Really? Their current inconsistency does not suggest so

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Turkish

Turkish

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Really? Their current inconsistency does not suggest so

 

Are you seriously using 5th placed Arsenals supposed inconsistent form as evidence their coaches are WORSE than 18th placed Saints?

Turkish

Turkish

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It amuses me that the red tops are so confident that the Arse will sign Shaw and the figure of £5 million really is derisory enough to gain the biggest belly-laughs of all.

 

Doesn't it occur to them that apart from anything else, the top glory teams all want him, so it is suggestive that the price would be forced up to the level that the club that wants him most would be prepared to pay for him. And that is even if we were prepared to sell him for that amount, when we don't need the money. So either Arseanl can raise their offer to a ridiculous amount, or they can go and take a running jump.

 

Do they? Please explain how a pompous deluded old man sitting behind his computer in Southampton would know which players Man United, City, Chelsea etc are chasing.

Bearsy

Bearsy

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Do they? Please explain how a pompous deluded old man sitting behind his computer in Southampton would know which players Man United, City, Chelsea etc are chasing.

 

You talking bout Cortese yeah? I imagine they fax him

St_Tel49

St_Tel49

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Are you seriously using 5th placed Arsenals supposed inconsistent form as evidence their coaches are WORSE than 18th placed Saints?

I was questioning whether they were better. And I might suggest that quality of player has a good deal to do with their position. Could those players produce better results? I think so hence my querying whether their coaches are as good as the OP was suggesting. Just because a club is bigger and richer does not necessarily mean that everything about them is better.

John B

John B

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I was questioning whether they were better. And I might suggest that quality of player has a good deal to do with their position. Could those players produce better results? I think so hence my querying whether their coaches are as good as the OP was suggesting. Just because a club is bigger and richer does not necessarily mean that everything about them is better.

 

You are joking are you

not

Turkish

Turkish

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I was questioning whether they were better. And I might suggest that quality of player has a good deal to do with their position. Could those players produce better results? I think so hence my querying whether their coaches are as good as the OP was suggesting. Just because a club is bigger and richer does not necessarily mean that everything about them is better.

 

They finished 3rd last season, so are you saying that their group of players should have produced better results by finishing above Man U and Man City? Or did their coaches and manager get them to finish above teams who Prehaps have better or t least equal squads?

rallyboy

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£5M? :lol:

They can have Fox for that - and we'll throw in a few cones and some balls.

 

We've already established with Arsenal that the going rate for an undeveloped talent is £12M.

If they want to buy our regular first team player, with at least ten years of top flight football ahead of him, they'll need to find £18M+.

 

I'm sure that Nicola can tell them where to go with the disdain he normally reserves for agents desperately trying to offload 30-something journeymen onto naive chairmen.

Turkish

Turkish

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In all seriousness £5m is a joke figure. Bale cost £10m with add ones (well he would have if we werent in the sh*t) at the same age 6 years ago having only played in Thr championship. £12-£15m is the minimum figure. It's crazy but that seems to be the going rate.

Matthew Le God

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We've already established with Arsenal that the going rate for an undeveloped talent is £12M.

 

Unlike Oxlade-Chamberlain, Bale and Walcott who were sold having only played League One or Championship football, Shaw already has shown himself to be more than capable to play at Premier League level aged 17 for Saints.

 

Plus when Bale, Walcott and Oxlade-Chamberlain were sold were either in the 2nd/3rd tier and/or didn't have the Liebherr estate funding the club. Things are very different now, as I'm sure Cortese will tell any club bidding for our players.

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SNSUN

SNSUN

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Leighton Baines being coveted doesn't surprise me, but I'd be thoroughly cheesed off if I were an Everton fan. They're having the season of their lives, have signed some good players, and are clicking in every department. I can understand Baines wanting to go to a bigger club, as I can Shaw, but true footballers want to be enjoying their football, and I'd assume he is at Everton currently. On top of that they're a good team under Moyes and he can hardly be earning bad money there. I bet he'd cost too much for Arsenal, although I can see the likes of United going in for him.

Mouldy Coat

Mouldy Coat

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I believe it was a loan against future earnings (tv money for next year equivalent to the parachute payments) because in the UK that works as tax avoidance (which isn't illegal and saves us millions of quid). Borrow money against future earning to operate at a level of debt is (strangely) good business practice as it avoids the 35% corporation tax on profit. Oldest trick in the book and something we should not wet our selves over (only when it is against several years worth of tv money/season ticket sales is it bed wetting time).

 

Either way financially we currently are well within budget/means with little impetus to sell (like the dark days) to balance the books.

 

We are running at a profit this 'financial year'?

Turkish

Turkish

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£5m is a joke figure. If he is allowed to leave at all, kiss good bye to a 50% academy based first team squad. If he is is allowed to leave for £5m, we are im financial trouble.

MOSaint

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£5m might be enough for the lads autograph, we should hold out for at least 4 times as much at least for the player.

 

Even then not until the summer.

Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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£5m is a joke figure. If he is allowed to leave at all, kiss good bye to a 50% academy based first team squad. If he is is allowed to leave for £5m, we are im financial trouble.

 

I'd be intrigued to hear you explain the logic behind that. Are we always going to be a newly promoted Premier League club?

Pilchards

Pilchards

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I see its the same one reporter doing the Shaw to Arsenal in the mail.

 

Its just like the Oxo situation again where Arsenal kept putting the stories out to unsettle the player.

If Shaw goes then we might as well just give up the hope of becoming a top 6 club and let the rest of the good youth players join Arsenal when they come calling again.

david in sweden

david in sweden

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Do you think it will happen?

 

Hopefully (NOT) at least he's getting regular football here...

if Luke were to ask Theo and Alex ....." the right questions...." their answers would probably be ..." don't expect to get any regular games in the first year or two.."

Pilchards

Pilchards

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Hopefully (NOT) at least he's getting regular football here...

if Luke were to ask Theo and Alex ....." the right questions...." their answers would probably be ..." don't expect to get any regular games in the first year or two.."

 

More than likely 'How much you guys on?'

dubai_phil

dubai_phil

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2255426/Arsenal-talk-Southampton-Luke-Shaw-transfer.html

 

Gunners officials will use New Year's Day's trip to St Mary’s to hold talks with Southampton in their attempts to land the 17-year-old left back.

 

Arsenal will make an offer for Shaw this month and it is hoped Tuesday’s discussions will pave the way for the club to end their two-year quest to land the latest jewel to emerge from Southampton’s ultra-productive academy.

 

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2255426/Arsenal-talk-Southampton-Luke-Shaw-transfer.html#ixzz2GiPtU5N2

Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

 

NA

'We are not looking to let him go anywhere if anyone wants to come in for any of our players, by all means speak to the chairman. He does the deals and all the best with that.'

 

 

:lol:

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CB Fry

CB Fry

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Hopefully (NOT) at least he's getting regular football here...

if Luke were to ask Theo and Alex ....." the right questions...." their answers would probably be ..." don't expect to get any regular games in the first year or two.."

 

 

 

Shaw wouldn't ask that question and Theo and A O-C wouldn't give that answer.

 

Professional footballers have this thing called self belief. If Shaw goes to Arsenal he will go determined to play. The fact he is already a Prem regular at 17 puts him in front of Theo and Alex anyway.

wessex saint

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IF he goes, it will obviously be for a lot more than 5m.

However, I would be surprised if the lad's head hasn't been turned.. I'm sure the huge wage increase and glamour of being at Arsenal will have some pull on the kid.

And if a player decides he wants to go then he probably will.

Doesn't show any lack of ambition on behalf of the club (they do want 50% of the team to be academy players), but we are not yet an attractive enough PL club to keep hold of all our players.

 

NA/NC will NOT want to sell him but if a player wants to go then that's it.

Wade Garrett

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Surely the fact we are playing top-flight football now makes it easier to keep hold of our decent young players.

 

For the sake of his career, surely Shaw would be better to sign a 4 year deal with us. He's only 17 and his development over the next few years is important to his career.

 

Stay with us for a few more years, then go to a really big club, not settle for Europa Cup football with a club that themselves routinely lose their best players every season.

CB Fry

CB Fry

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Doesn't show any lack of ambition on behalf of the club (they do want 50% of the team to be academy players), but we are not yet an attractive enough PL club to keep hold of all our players.

 

 

...Arsenal aren't an attractive enough club to keep hold of all of their players either.

 

We will always lose players to the bigger clubs. Get used to it.

John B

John B

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Surely the fact we are playing top-flight football now makes it easier to keep hold of our decent young players.

 

For the sake of his career, surely Shaw would be better to sign a 4 year deal with us. He's only 17 and his development over the next few years is important to his career.

 

Stay with us for a few more years, then go to a really big club, not settle for Europa Cup football with a club that themselves routinely lose their best players every season.

 

You make a valid point but if he wants to play for England and possibly go to Brazil for the World Cup Arsenal would be a good move

MarkSFC

MarkSFC

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This supposed interest in Shaw is Contests first real test. Ox is forgivable because we were L1/NPC (andhe got a decent fee).

 

The whole ethos of our transfer dealings have bordered on the Arsenal model - young with heaps of potential - so if NC did sell it would shake the belief I have in his strategy of academy products particularly as it would be failure at t he first hurdle.

 

He signed JWP on 5 years on his 18th....I'm sure Shaw will too!!

wessex saint

wessex saint

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...Arsenal aren't an attractive enough club to keep hold of all of their players either.

 

We will always lose players to the bigger clubs. Get used to it.

 

I agree.. we will always lose players to bigger clubs - at the present time, Arsenal are a much bigger club than us, hence his head will be turned and he will go.

Wes Tender

Wes Tender

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You make a valid point but if he wants to play for England and possibly go to Brazil for the World Cup Arsenal would be a good move

 

I'm fairly confident that Roy Hodgson will select the players for the national team based on their abilities, rather than for which club they play. Besides, he is likely to get more exposure playing for our first team than he would initially playing for Arsenal's reserves, or warming their bench.

itchen

itchen

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I don't pretend to know anything about how football transfers work or what Luke Shaw might be thinking. But those comments from NA in the Mail were fairly unequivocal. He did not even hint that the right offer might see Shaw go in January. He's not for sale and his remark about "ask the chairman" and "good luck with that" indicate that he and NC are in agreement. Shaw is one of our best players. We have no need to sell and every need to keep him in the team. He's under contract and, in my opinion, is unlikely to do a Kenwynne and go on strike. What he'll do at the end of the season is a different matter and, I suspect, largely dependent on where we finish.

miserableoldgit

miserableoldgit

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I'm fairly confident that Roy Hodgson will select the players for the national team based on their abilities, rather than for which club they play. Besides, he is likely to get more exposure playing for our first team than he would initially playing for Arsenal's reserves, or warming their bench.

Didn`t really pan out like this for AOC did it. Not too much reserve action or bench warming.

Turkish

Turkish

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I'd be intrigued to hear you explain the logic behind that. Are we always going to be a newly promoted Premier League club?

 

I though it would be quite obvious Matthew.

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