CaneNero Posted 29 December, 2012 Share Posted 29 December, 2012 Do you think it will happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 29 December, 2012 Share Posted 29 December, 2012 If someone offers massive money, if not no IMO no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 29 December, 2012 Share Posted 29 December, 2012 Not a hope in hell of this happening IMO of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 He'd be a moron to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 Offer upwards of £10million I think Cortese will come to the table to negotiate (or if Shaw says he wants to talk to whoever is bidding). Otherwise, nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 no chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 Nope. If he goes it will be a Chamberlain scenario again. Became apparent that Cortese and Adkins sat the lad down and said he could go at the end of the season if we got an acceptable deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 Poll needed! And no I don't think he will, it'll all be down to first team places and expectations. Leaving for Arsenal (as mentioned in the "press") would basically mean he becomes their first choice lb and will probably destroy his career very quickly. I would guess he stays because he has the same basic opportunity here but with less pressure to succeed in his place (we chuck Fox back in or someone else and he can progress properly). He will be able to make mistakes with us without ruining his career before he can drink to get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 God I hope not - especially after watching Theo, AOC and Bale over the last few weeks. But we don't know the financial situation so it's hard to tell. The last news I saw on that front, we were taking out a loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 The last news I saw on that front, we were taking out a loan. I believe it was a loan against future earnings (tv money for next year equivalent to the parachute payments) because in the UK that works as tax avoidance (which isn't illegal and saves us millions of quid). Borrow money against future earning to operate at a level of debt is (strangely) good business practice as it avoids the 35% corporation tax on profit. Oldest trick in the book and something we should not wet our selves over (only when it is against several years worth of tv money/season ticket sales is it bed wetting time). Either way financially we currently are well within budget/means with little impetus to sell (like the dark days) to balance the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 No because we need him badly and he won't get in the big five's first team all season, what's the point? Perhaps someone like Man City could give us 10million upfront in January and we hand him over in May. Everyones a winner as we then get some good players in to get us out of the relegation zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 I don't think he will want to leave as he is getting first team football here. He is a great prospect but is still very raw. Personally I felt he was to blame for the first goal today as he chased the ball out to the wing and got left for dead meaning there was a huge gap for the player to run into in our box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 (edited) Unlikely, I would say, and if so, only for exceedingly big bucks.And thank God that nobody on this forum would be responsible for the negotiations. Oh - and we have a declared policy of trying to get to a position where 50% of our team are academy products. Selling Shaw would be a poor indication of the seriousness of that intention. Edited 30 December, 2012 by St_Tel49 addition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 Unlikely, I would say, and if so, only for exceedingly big bucks.And thank God that nobody on this forum would be responsible for the negotiations. Oh - and we have a declared policy of trying to get to a position where 50% of our team are academy products. Selling Shaw would be a poor indication of the seriousness of that intention. Thanks - you've said almost exactly what I was going to say. Good post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 No. He's playing regular first team football in the biggest league in the world at the age of 17, and he's doing a bloody good job of it. Why would he leave? I can't see it, unless he's more interested in money than football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 We need him and the cost of relegation doesn't outweigh what we would make from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSaint Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 Not in Jan and not in the Smmer either unless a massive offer comes in for him, one that dwarfs what Arsenal paid for AOC. After all, Shaw has shown his quality at a much higher level than Chamberlain did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 I believe it was a loan against future earnings (tv money for next year equivalent to the parachute payments) because in the UK that works as tax avoidance (which isn't illegal and saves us millions of quid). Borrow money against future earning to operate at a level of debt is (strangely) good business practice as it avoids the 35% corporation tax on profit. Oldest trick in the book and something we should not wet our selves over (only when it is against several years worth of tv money/season ticket sales is it bed wetting time). Either way financially we currently are well within budget/means with little impetus to sell (like the dark days) to balance the books. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 (edited) Nope. If he goes it will be a Chamberlain scenario again. Became apparent that Cortese and Adkins sat the lad down and said he could go at the end of the season if we got an acceptable deal. Agreed Saint-Armstrong. even if he were to go (most unlikely IMO).....why do the tabloid hacks think it would be for a measly £5 million. remembering the value of deals for Theo and Alex O-C......that would even buy his boot laces!.. but more than that ..Do they really think we need to rush and pocket that sort of money, anyway? Edited 30 December, 2012 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 Yes,I think he would be an idiot not to,when money talks young talented players listen and I imagine AOC has been in his ear about how rich he's become. I don't agree with it but that the way football is,money comes first I'm afraid.......what would you do?,stay at a club that pays peanuts and will most likely struggle and get relegated or go to a club that will be competing for honours and make you a millionaire? He may not play as much football but that will give him plenty of time to count his money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwantsapint Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 As has been said saints would want stupid money £10m+ up front & £5m+ in add ons just to start negotiations If the boy wants to go yes AOC may tell him about the mega wages but he should talk to Jake Sinclair about how many seconds of 1st team football Scott has played since big money move from Swansea to city Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asaint4ever Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 Not shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2254676/Luke-Shaw-transfer--Arsenal-pole-position.html 5 mil? Really? Jeez I'd love to get my hands on some of what these Journos smoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammysaint Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 When we had Bale AOC and Walcott we were not in the prem, if we go down i can see him going in the summer, if we stay up i can see him staying here for a while longer yet, since he has came in we are what 9th/10th in the form table just shows if we can keep him and the others add 2-3 quality players in we are a decent top 10 side and he should stay while he is this young to see where this club can take him, at 20-21 if were not where he wants to be leave then for a nice fee of 15-20mil. Also for the club selling him could ruin our chances of staying up and if thats the case i hope the club get at 12 million at worse so we can rebuild to come back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 he will be an idiot if he left......if we stay up, he needs to stay at least another season in the prem. he will move IMO...sooner rather than later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 My Arsenal supporting brother said to me yesterday that they are signing him. And having watched the highlights of Arsenal v Newcastle, I can see why they'd want a left back - Gibbs is ****. His positioning is almost as bad as Fox's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 My Arsenal supporting brother said to me yesterday that they are signing him. And having watched the highlights of Arsenal v Newcastle, I can see why they'd want a left back - Gibbs is ****. His positioning is almost as bad as Fox's. They also said the same about Oxo for a long time. We will sell him if Cortese/Adkins wants too and not the other way round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 They also said the same about Oxo for a long time. We will sell him if Cortese/Adkins wants too and not the other way round. has he signed a contract...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 has he signed a contract...? He can't sign a pro contract until the summer anyway, as far as I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 He can't sign a pro contract until the summer anyway, as far as I know. so its not in our hands completely at the mo....as pilchards suggests.. there is no doubt agents would be having a 'word'..but for his own good....he needs to stay for at the very least, another 18 months from now (assuming we stay up) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 If we are relegated If we are offered silly money Financial security for life at 18 is very compelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 Shawly not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 the only way to keep players is to pay them more than they can get elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 so its not in our hands completely at the mo....as pilchards suggests.. there is no doubt agents would be having a 'word'..but for his own good....he needs to stay for at the very least, another 18 months from now (assuming we stay up) For his own good I think he needs to go Much better coaching etc at Arsenal But as a Saints Supporter I hope he stays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 the only way to keep players is to pay them more than they can get elsewhere. It helps, but after a while the temptation to play for a big club and all the things that go with that, Champions League etc overrides pretty much anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itchen_block4 Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 has he signed a contract...? His first contract came into effect when he turned 17 in the summer. It lasts 3 years, so we have plenty of time to sort this out without tribunals. What he can sign at 18 is a full professional contract, like JWP has done, which will give him bigger wages and tie him down for longer. He won't go anywhere in January, but where we are come the end of the season willl be a big factor in what he does next. I reckon he'll stay and sign the big contract if we stay up. Otherwise we'll get lots of money for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yate Saint Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 I really hope not. I hope he stays for as long as Bridge did. Lets hope AOC dad is not his advisor.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 I really hope not. I hope he stays for as long as Bridge did. Lets hope AOC dad is not his advisor.... you can hardly say OxO made the wrong move though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 Has a 3 year contract with Saints. Why sell for less than 15m. Thats what he will be worth in one - two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teacher Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 He would be mad to go, he has only just broken onto the first team at Saints and is playing regularly. Arsenal are also apparently in for Leyton Baines, if they get him then Shaw will be playing second fiddle and will be back to playing reserve team football ala when Theo left! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 If he does go I think we can safely say that talk of being an established premier league side with 50% of the squad being academy players is nothing more than fanciful talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints boy in Leeds Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 According to sky sports app Arsenal will sign Shaw in Jan for £5 million. Surely we A wouldn't let him go and B want a hell of a lot more than that, he's only 17 ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 what are the rules when he has not signed a pro contract..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?42051-Will-Shaw-leave-in-January Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwantsapint Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 Is that £5m & Theo Walcott ? Otherwise no deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 How about we tell Arsene to f**k off when we see him on Tuesday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 If he was to leave for better things.... I could almost understand it. But anyone, anyone, please anyone but F**KING ARSENAL!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 If he was to leave for better things.... I could almost understand it. But anyone, anyone, please anyone but F**KING ARSENAL!!! well, they are better things....sadly be one in the eye for those who think this team of youth team players will be a reality..... when can he sign a pro deal and can arsenal sign him before that time..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 Just been told that the Saints rep who brokered the deal was a Mr D Fox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 We sell our kids to Arsenal for £12m, not £5m. Bloody cheek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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