Stepgar Posted 29 December, 2012 Share Posted 29 December, 2012 It's all well and good being up at the top of the fair play league but are we too nice? Take today (stoke) are at the bottom of said league. It are brilliant at grinding results. I know this comes down to personnel to a point but what are your thoughts. I would like us to be a bit more aggressive right across the park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 29 December, 2012 Share Posted 29 December, 2012 There are many posters on here with an abundance of aggression. But I have noticed they tend to slap and wave their handbags a great deal:p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 29 December, 2012 Share Posted 29 December, 2012 It's all well and good being up at the top of the fair play league but are we too nice? Take today (stoke) are at the bottom of said league. It are brilliant at grinding results. I know this comes down to personnel to a point but what are your thoughts. I would like us to be a bit more aggressive right across the park. Why do you see getting yellow cards as a positive? It is perfectly possible to be aggressive and not get booked, i.e. win the ball cleanly and also not time waste/dissent etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 29 December, 2012 Share Posted 29 December, 2012 Cork was aggressive today, his battling was the reason Stoke went down to 10 men. We were undone by a world class strike, stop looking for scape goats and reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 29 December, 2012 Author Share Posted 29 December, 2012 Sorry did I say we need to get many yellow cards? No. I said do we need to be more aggressive. Being more aggressive does not mean we need to more yellows. Although I appreciate it would more then likely lead to more. If it brings results then yes I do thin we need to more aggressive in chasing down balls and not giving up even if it means you pick up a few more yellows. Cut out the back chat and kicking the ball away etc types for definite but I do think we are too soft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 29 December, 2012 Share Posted 29 December, 2012 (edited) Sorry did I say we need to get many yellow cards? No. I said do we need to be more aggressive. The main point of opening post was using the fair play league (with Saints at the top and Stoke at the bottom) which has numbers of red/yellow cards as a key weighting factor. Edited 29 December, 2012 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 29 December, 2012 Author Share Posted 29 December, 2012 Cork was aggressive today, his battling was the reason Stoke went down to 10 men. We were undone by a world class strike, stop looking for scape goats and reasons. FFS I am not looking for escape goats or reasons. It's an opinion . Nothing more. So stop looking for a scapegoat for you to have a snipe at and read properly what the question is. I used Stoke as an example of what being more aggressive can bring to the team. It has nothing to do with a worldy so don't really know where you are going with that point. Would you take their results and league position and be at the bottom of the fair play league? I would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 29 December, 2012 Author Share Posted 29 December, 2012 The main of the opening post was based on the fair play league (with Saints at the top and Stoke at the bottom) which has numbers of red/yellow cards as a key weighting factor. Ok possibly a poor example but I meant the way they are tenacious and just don't give up anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 29 December, 2012 Share Posted 29 December, 2012 giving away cheap free kicks kills you, so I don't want to see us diving into more tackles. Te fact we have so few yellows shows that sides are not getting behind us as much IMO. Morgan takes a yellow for the side when required, but we have been well organised meaning he hasn't had to as often as last season even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 FFS I am not looking for escape goats or reasons. It's an opinion . Nothing more. So stop looking for a scapegoat for you to have a snipe at and read properly what the question is. I used Stoke as an example of what being more aggressive can bring to the team. It has nothing to do with a worldy so don't really know where you are going with that point. Would you take their results and league position and be at the bottom of the fair play league? I would. Go on explain what escaped goats have to do with football ? Has Sammy Saint been replaced and nobody told us ? Or did we get the petting Zoo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwantsapint Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 Cut out the stupid cards for dissent , kicking ball away , diving But yes be more aggressive/ determined in chasing the ball down & holding on to the lead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 (edited) we can play " nice " football... against good footballing sides on a sunny day, but against " tough " sides with giants (like Stoke) in wintertime - it doesn't work quite so well. Injured or not, I think it was good we didn't have our " injured trio " available, as they would have got kicked off the pitch by the Stoke midfielders...who collect yellow cards like some people collect stamps. Yesterday we needed "some muscle " and Guly, Puncheon, Jos and Yoshida were the right answer ...and it almost worked. Their 3rd goal was good enough to have won ANYgame, ANYwhere. No-one to blame. Edited 30 December, 2012 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbob40 Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 I think a battling point at Stoke clearly answers this question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 Morgan had the highest number of interceptions in the league earlier in the season, not sure if he still holds that record now but he got that record without getting banned from yellow cards or getting sent off. Same for Cork, who must have a very good rate of tackles and interceptions since he's been in the side. You can be aggressive and not pick up cards, it's called "playing good football". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 If we want to get picky, we picked up more yellows than they did yesterday: their Red will be rescinded. Again yesterday, referee Clattenburg certainly let a lot go which with the mix of an honest team in Saints up against a combative team in Stoke made for a good game over 99 minutes of play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 I don't think that we need to be more aggressive necessarily. I would like us to be a bit more cute to gain an unfair advantage, something that pretty well all other teams do, but not so much us. I detest this form of cheating, but everybody else does it, so why not us? So let our players roll around theatrically, as if they're mortally wounded. Let them collapse to the ground when a player just brushes against them and harrangue the referee to have players sent off for minor transgressions. Lambert in particular is far too honest and tries to stand his ground when defenders climb all over his back. He ought to take a leaf out of Carroll's book and go down if somebody breathes hard behind him. The extra free kicks and penalties we might gain through this gamesmanship might be the difference between survival or relegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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