Wade Garrett Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 Obviously nor has Kelvin. Every week I watch Match of the Day, and only now have I noticed all them keepers who stay on their line until the ball comes into the penalty area. How foolish of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 love e way everybody has a go at Kelvin Yesterday he wasn't put off by all the Stoke players running at him at corners and throw in's and tried to win every ball, cathing it well seeral times, punching it a couple of time and missing it a couple of times I'd rather have him trying to ghe ball than hiding on his line tht many ohter keepers do when they go to Stoke Gazza is a good keeper for the future but currently very poor on crosses and would not have handed the bombardment Kelvin was subjected to yesterday At last some sanity. Agree with all that. KD put himself on the line for the long throws, got in some good punches and one lucky one, missed just one. He had little chance for the first goal, none for the last and he saw the second very late. He miskicked one clearance into touch, otherwise hit Ricky, Punch or J Rod pretty well. Boruc may have impressed in the past, but not this season. Gaze needs work. KD is the least bad option still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 I watched yesterday's game online and have seen nearly every game this season (home or away) mainly in the ground and the rest online. I am grateful for what Kelvin Davis has done in the past but that is in the past now and he is cleary not good enough for the PL and is a liability. I said after the Fulham game I hope he never plays for us again. He cost us the game that day when he flapped at a cross and pushed ball straight to Beratov (sp) to score. He flapped at every ball that came in from a corner or throw in yesterday and was at fault for the 2nd goal. He was lucky yesterday. He's been a great servant in the past but maybe he should look at coaching now? I agree with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 His reaction was far too slow, I agree Re unsighted if it ended up in a corner buy in the end it really didnt, it was straight underneath him. He fell over it, most keepers would have saved it IMO and certainly if I was stood on the line defending I reckon Id have got my foot in the way. With his flapping and certainly when he parried Crouches header into the middle of the 6 yard box he could have cost us the game. This really isnt good enough for any keeper let along of his experience. He is under the microscope for a reason, that one being that its so glaringly obvious what his faults are you can get rid of the microscope !! I think that goal-keeping erros (not all by KD) have cost us around 10 points this season. You simply cannot give this number of points away through bad keeping and hope to prosper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 Great servant to the club, fantastic pro and a cracking guy. Unfortunately, he isn't good enough to be our number 1 anymore, hopefully he'll be given a role at the club when he retires (I seem to remember someone saying that both KD and Jaidi were offered coaching roles) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 Not going to bother reading through this thread but Kelvin could have quite easily cost us yesterday at the death from Crouch's header. Simple enough save and he palmed it out right back out into the centre of the goal. Lucky there wasn't a Stoke player there first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redder freak Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 Begovic looked bad. He let in three goals and it could have easily been more. Not good enough at this level. Stoke need a new keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 Not going to bother reading through this thread but Kelvin could have quite easily cost us yesterday at the death from Crouch's header. Simple enough save and he palmed it out right back out into the centre of the goal. Lucky there wasn't a Stoke player there first. Thought that yesterday on MOTD, couldn't really see what happened at the time at the game, but what he did with the ball almost cost us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 Begovic looked bad. He let in three goals and it could have easily been more. Not good enough at this level. Stoke need a new keeper. And Norwich's goal against man city harte is not good enough at this level lol.. I think that its about over the top about Davis and don't blame him for any of the goals.good point at stoke. Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 (edited) That could of gone anywhere. I thought if anything he parried it right back to the middle of the box aka the danger area. He was terrible at Fulham, and again yesterday. I thought I was being harsh on him for the second at the time, it was a crowded area, and a decent strike, but it was pretty much straight at him. Couldn't help feeling just throwing a leg out may have been more effective in the circumstances. As the name suggests I am a huge fan of the guy, he has been a hero and fantastic servant for us, but sentiment here may cost us. I think he himself knows it. I wonder if its a psychological thing with him? Some doubt from back in his black cats days? After the Fulham goal he just looked like he didn't want to be on the pitch. Seems he feels out of his depth to me. As for Boruc, who knows what the deal is there. Something clearly has to be awry for him not be able to get in the side ahead of the chuckle brothers. Yes, he has always been an oddball, but eccentric Goalkeepers aren't exactly unheard of. I've deputised as a keeper a few times (yes I am wholly aware it is entirely different), and have come to the conclusion you have to be baths!t bonkers to want to do that week in week out. The situation does appear odd, but I'm convinced either something has gone on behind the scenes or he just really isn't up to it anymore. Either way, we are unlikely to ever know what goes down in training each day, and rightly so in my opinion. Edited 30 December, 2012 by KelvinsRightGlove Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 He was not entirely blameless though, as he lets in far too many goals from long range shots. Any good goalkeeping coach will tell you that when facing play, you should stay on your line until the player with the ball comes into the Penalty Area and then you move out to narrow the angle.Kelvin was at least 4 feet off his line when that excellent shot came in. If he had been on his line there might,just might, have been a chance of saving it as it dropped down into the goal. If you're referring to Jerome's winner no keeper in the world would have saved that. It was the sheer pace of it (70mph according to MOTD I believe) that made it unstoppable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 Not going to bother reading through this thread but Kelvin could have quite easily cost us yesterday at the death from Crouch's header. Simple enough save and he palmed it out right back out into the centre of the goal. Lucky there wasn't a Stoke player there first. He also flapped at loads of crosses and was at fault with the second goal, along with Guly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 His legs and reactions have gone. I wish people could see that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch01 Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 His legs and reactions have gone. I wish people could see that. He hasn't become a worse keeper, last season he was as good as he has ever been. Its just that its still not enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 31 December, 2012 Share Posted 31 December, 2012 Every week I watch Match of the Day, and only now have I noticed all them keepers who stay on their line until the ball comes into the penalty area. How foolish of me. Not foolish at all ,as one is never too old to learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 31 December, 2012 Share Posted 31 December, 2012 Not foolish at all ,as one is never too old to learn.are you for real??? a keeper sticks to the line until the forward is in the box lol. If that is the case the modern keepers must be quicker than the Jamaican sprinters when they clear the ball from onrushing forwards that have been put through on goal. i think you have totally misunderstood your goalkeeping coach as staying your line leaves the goal wide open as you have not cut an angle down. id love ot have played against keepers like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 31 December, 2012 Share Posted 31 December, 2012 His legs and reactions have gone. I wish people could see that. and yet he's still much more useful between the sticks than a Gazza with confidence shot. Maybe Boruc's legs/reactions have gone as well - we have no way of knowing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 31 December, 2012 Share Posted 31 December, 2012 Any good goalkeeping coach will tell you that when facing play, you should stay on your line until the player with the ball comes into the Penalty Area and then you move out to narrow the angle.Kelvin was at least 4 feet off his line when that excellent shot came in. If he had been on his line there might,just might, have been a chance of saving it as it dropped down into the goal. I'm afraid you don't know what you are talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 31 December, 2012 Share Posted 31 December, 2012 I'm afraid you don't know what you are talking about. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 31 December, 2012 Share Posted 31 December, 2012 and yet he's still much more useful between the sticks than a Gazza with confidence shot. This is where we'll have to agree to disagree because I don't see this at all. Both KD and Gazza have had the odd half decent game here and there but overall they look like two keepers shot of confidence and out of their depth, and Davis looked out of his depth 7 years ago as a 29 year old. You brought the Norwich game up earlier and yes Gazza was shocking but his error for their goal was no different to what KD did against Man U (apart from RVP letting KD off the hook by missing a sitter) and their overall performances have been pretty much identical for me. But I don't think we're ever going to agree on this Maybe Boruc's legs/reactions have gone as well - we have no way of knowing Indeed we don't. Putting the bottle throwing incident aside the million dollar question is why Boruc hasn't claimed the number one jersey with ease given his experience. Considering what happened last time against Arsenal I don't see there is much to lose by giving Boruc a go and the FA cup game against Chelsea, and getting the the other two out of the spotlight for a bit. I think we should be signing a 'number one keeper' regardless and if he turns out to be reliable then send Gazzaniga out on loan for the rest of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 31 December, 2012 Share Posted 31 December, 2012 He is no different from last season saves most shots but is not confident in commanding his area Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 31 December, 2012 Share Posted 31 December, 2012 and yet he's still much more useful between the sticks than a Gazza with confidence shot. Maybe Boruc's legs/reactions have gone as well - we have no way of knowing Well, it's a matter of opinion really. I would prefer a youngster learning the trade than an old dog who never learned new tricks and who is now so slow. As to Boruc, very true, we have no way of knowing, but you'd like to think our transfer people might have looked into it before opting for him. Or maybe not. Whatever is the case, we need yet another new keeper, which is something many on this board have been saying for around 2 years. Which is a bit rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 31 December, 2012 Share Posted 31 December, 2012 Not foolish at all ,as one is never too old to learn. Alternatively, you could be talking out of your arse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 1 January, 2013 Share Posted 1 January, 2013 Alternatively, you could be talking out of your arse. "He that hath knowledge spareth his words" Proverbs 17:27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvaughanwilliams Posted 1 January, 2013 Share Posted 1 January, 2013 Both Davis and Gazzaniga have their good and bad points. I think that Gazza is better at coming of his line for crosses, is better at distributing the ball and helps break up spells of opposition pressure with his brilliant time wasting antics, how he hasn't had more yellow cards is beyond me. However, I think that Kelvin is the better shot stopper. It's a difficult decision to choose between the two, if Gazza's confidence has been hit, then keeping him out of the team might be the appropriate thing to do. Boruc's lack of a pre-season and match fitness may be counting against him, I haven't seen enough of him play to make any judgement. Given that Boruc hasn't played, I expect that his contract will be allowed to expire and another keeper will be brought in, possibly on loan. My preference at the moment is for Gazzaniga, I think that he is the less bad option and learnt from his mistake (he stopped playing the ball short after the Swansea game). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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