Saint_clark Posted 29 December, 2012 Share Posted 29 December, 2012 Have to say, he probably should have done better with Upsons goal. Just had to stick a leg out rather than diving down towards it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 29 December, 2012 Share Posted 29 December, 2012 yep Davis was shocking for the equaliser. Anyone could have saved that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 29 December, 2012 Share Posted 29 December, 2012 Have to say, he probably should have done better with Upsons goal. Just had to stick a leg out rather than diving down towards it. if you see it from behind it comes out of nowhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 29 December, 2012 Share Posted 29 December, 2012 Well, Ive just watched MOTD, so whoever asked me what he did wrong today ? Well apart from their second, flapping at everything, his continual and basic error of PARRYING INTO THE BLOODY DANGER AREA Yeah, so he tried hard but he never managed to lose it for us today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 29 December, 2012 Share Posted 29 December, 2012 Poor for the second and makes routine saves look very much harder than they should be. Plus awful distribution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 29 December, 2012 Share Posted 29 December, 2012 His reflexes are too slow. Not up to the job anymore. Sad really, as he has been a fantastically loyal servant of the club, but you can't be sentimental. We need a new keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 29 December, 2012 Share Posted 29 December, 2012 if you see it from behind it comes out of nowhere. Disagree, he went down too slow. Should have kept it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 29 December, 2012 Share Posted 29 December, 2012 It's a shame that he lost it the season the got back into the Prem as he really had something to prove after the Sunderland debacle. Who knows, he may turn it round yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 29 December, 2012 Share Posted 29 December, 2012 I bet the team score ****ing loads in training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 29 December, 2012 Share Posted 29 December, 2012 yep Davis was shocking for the equaliser. Anyone could have saved that. Chez, I admire your support for Kelvin, but he really is not up to the job. Maybe Gazza is "cooked" for the time being and the Boruc situation is a strange one, but if KD is the best we can do for the rest of the season then I fear our card is marked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 29 December, 2012 Share Posted 29 December, 2012 Plus awful distribution.in what way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 29 December, 2012 Share Posted 29 December, 2012 in what way? Kicks into touch, goes short when should go long and vice versa. When Gazza played he hit Lambert every time, Davis can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 29 December, 2012 Share Posted 29 December, 2012 Gazza would've saved their 2nd but then again he is 15 years younger than Kelvin. I do find it incredible that Boruc can't get a game though, he's very talented and is vastly experienced. Gazza has done well and will only get better, and Kelvin has proved in the past that he's a good keeper, but it's time to stop fúcking about and just play the man who's obviously the best player in that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 29 December, 2012 Share Posted 29 December, 2012 Gazza would've saved their 2nd but then again he is 15 years younger than Kelvin. I do find it incredible that Boruc can't get a game though, he's very talented and is vastly experienced. Gazza has done well and will only get better, and Kelvin has proved in the past that he's a good keeper, but it's time to stop fúcking about and just play the man who's obviously the best player in that position. I would of said that there's been a falling out and the club have no intention of using him again, but he was on the bench V Reading when we could of used Cropper if that was the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 29 December, 2012 Share Posted 29 December, 2012 Chez, I admire your support for Kelvin, but he really is not up to the job. Maybe Gazza is "cooked" for the time being and the Boruc situation is a strange one, but if KD is the best we can do for the rest of the season then I fear our card is marked. With Fonte playing well, Puncheon playing well, Guly playing well and now Jos playing well we are running out of ****as to blame for not winning every single game. I'm fed up of defending players like those against the barrage of abuse on here. I know Davis is not the best keeper out there, but there are actually posts on the main thread blaming him for the third goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerone Posted 29 December, 2012 Share Posted 29 December, 2012 fottball ? NO, it's not ....in Swedish it's.... fotboll Irony is dead :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 29 December, 2012 Share Posted 29 December, 2012 (edited) If Adkins thinks Boruc is the best option then he would be playing right now. As we speak I bet Adkins is as ****ed off as any Saints fan and he cannot be happy with this Mickey Mouse goalie situation. Trust in you Nigel as it will costs us premiership football if you don't sort it. Edited 29 December, 2012 by Pilchards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 29 December, 2012 Share Posted 29 December, 2012 Kicks into touch, goes short when should go long and vice versa. When Gazza played he hit Lambert every time, Davis can't. talk me through the Swansea goal against us. Gazza ranks right up there with that clown keeper from MK Dons in terms distribution. Are you calling for Gazza's return ahead if Davis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 29 December, 2012 Share Posted 29 December, 2012 I admire it Chez I do, and yes there are too many of us that jump down players necks far too early, but Davis looks so poor right now, I gave him plenty of chances at the start of the season to escape my critisiscm but he IMO was a cause for many of the goals we conceded, poor at his near post, slow to react or to dive and so often parrys right into the worst possible places. He has been terrible the past three aswell, poor for the goal at fulham (see above), had little to do at Sunderland but what he does do he makes look so hard, and looked poor again today. I feel sorry for him, he has been a great servant but football isnt about sentiment, or else we would still have an overweight Le Tiss just behind Lambert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 29 December, 2012 Share Posted 29 December, 2012 I would of said that there's been a falling out and the club have no intention of using him again, but he was on the bench V Reading when we could of used Cropper if that was the case. He's been on the bench for Reading, Sunderland, Fulham and again today. Surely if there had been a falling out meaning he'd never play for us again, we would've cancelled his contract rather than pay his wages for the rest of the year? Very odd. Either way Nigel has to play Boruc against Arsenal, with the way they destroyed Newcastle today we need experience in goal, but i'm afraid Kelvin's just not up to it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 29 December, 2012 Share Posted 29 December, 2012 talk me through the Swansea goal against us. Gazza ranks right up there with that clown keeper from MK Dons in terms distribution. Are you calling for Gazza's return ahead if Davis? Distribution wise Gazza rarely gets it wrong, but that was poor, Kelvin, for all his, 3 steps back, look over shoulder, little shimmy and kick isnt as good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 29 December, 2012 Share Posted 29 December, 2012 fair enough. I just don't want to see Gazza given another chance this season. I have no problem with Boruc if he is fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 29 December, 2012 Share Posted 29 December, 2012 Distribution wise Gazza rarely gets it wrong, but that was poor, Kelvin, for all his, 3 steps back, look over shoulder, little shimmy and kick isnt as good I don't agree with this. Gazza continually made poor choices and wasn't all that accurate if you ask me. Davis' kicking is actually very good most of the time, not all the time. Gazza only played a few games and couldn't hack it. I don't care how accurate his kicking is, he bottled it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 With Fonte playing well, Puncheon playing well, Guly playing well and now Jos playing well we are running out of ****as to blame for not winning every single game. I'm fed up of defending players like those against the barrage of abuse on here. I know Davis is not the best keeper out there, but there are actually posts on the main thread blaming him for the third goal. Of course he wasn't responsible for the third goal today, and it's a bit harsh to say he should have stopped the second given he was obscured. It's just that he looks so shaky for large parts of most games he plays. I thought he had probably played his last game following the Arsenal debacle and then after the recent Fulham game with the error leading to Berbatov's goal and the close thing when the ball nearly went through his legs into the net, I thought that might be the end for him. Is there no alternative at the moment?; - maybe Gazza is injured or sapped of confidence; Perhaps Boruc has burned his bridges at the Club - but it's got to be put right. I don't think most people highlighting KDs deficiencies are scapegoating him, it's just a glaringly obvious weakness in the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 Either way Nigel has to play Boruc against Arsenal, with the way they destroyed Newcastle today we need experience in goal, but i'm afraid Kelvin's just not up to it now. Yep Kelvin is prime to let in another 6 against Arsenal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 I don't agree with this. Gazza continually made poor choices and wasn't all that accurate if you ask me. Davis' kicking is actually very good most of the time, not all the time. Gazza only played a few games and couldn't hack it. I don't care how accurate his kicking is, he bottled it. Im not dissagreeing re Gazza, nor am I saying Davis has poor distribution all the time, its not great, but not as bad as is made out, but for me, Gazza plays the ball out better. Neither are good enough TBH, I am lost really, Gazza seems to be a decent shot stopper, and when he comes out he is more imposing but as you said he has bottled a lot, stood like a lemon on his goal line, its inexperience maybe. Davis tries his best, never shys away, I applaud that, he just isnt quick or good enough, for the reasons I stated earlier. I hope Boruc has been hammering the gym and not the pies over xmas TBH, but reckon Butland or A.N.Other is on his way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 Was at the game and waited to see motd before I commented but have to say he was ****ing **** today. The last two games he has really cost us. I hate having a go at players and rarely do it as it serves no purpose but that HAS to be the end for Kelvin with us. His reactions have become really slow/poor especially his parrying. So many times he flaps at it and pushes it towards the penalty spot. His passing is dire and he can't catch the ball. He has been a great player for us over the years but that is it now. He is not a PL player and we need a keeper badly in the transfer window. If we had a keeper who can get on the ground quicker and keep hold of the ball rather then parry it we would have a lot more points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 Simply don't agree. Kelvin may not be the best, but at the moment the best thing Adkins can do is keep the back 5 as consistent as he possibly can. They need match time together to forge an understanding in different scenarios. Changing things around in each of the thirds is not IMO the way to success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 KD is clearly not the answer to our goalkeeping problems - love him to bits, however apart from the said goal, he flapped on another 3 occasions where they should have scored, and simply does not inspire confidence in the rest of the defense. NA being a former GK must realise this? This is our key priority to resolve in the Jan transfer window IMHO. Think Gazza is not fully fit and there are some off the field issues still unresolved with Boruc? Need to sort it soon if we hope to stay up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 Im not dissagreeing re Gazza, nor am I saying Davis has poor distribution all the time, its not great, but not as bad as is made out, but for me, Gazza plays the ball out better. Neither are good enough TBH, I am lost really, Gazza seems to be a decent shot stopper, and when he comes out he is more imposing but as you said he has bottled a lot, stood like a lemon on his goal line, its inexperience maybe. Davis tries his best, never shys away, I applaud that, he just isnt quick or good enough, for the reasons I stated earlier. I hope Boruc has been hammering the gym and not the pies over xmas TBH, but reckon Butland or A.N.Other is on his way. Personally think the Boruc non selection is not football ability related - IMHO he did something to really **** off the "big boys" - just hope hope the "big boys" can accept due credit if we fail t stay up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 Really poor on the 2nd goal. Should have saved it. Let stoke back in it. Agree let's see boruc for a run before the window opens. I've been expecting Boruc to be playing more (does that water-bottle incident) really matter?.........I certainly think that KD is in his last Saints' season but I'm not ready for Gazzaniga as no.1 yet. I agree KD didn't play well throughout, but the second goal was difficult to see. Watching the many angled TV replays, Upson hits the ball first time and I'm not sure KD saw it through a mass of players. ....and PLEASE.....let no-one blame him for their third goal ! Likely GOAL OF THE SEASON candidate already, and I'd like to meet the keeper who could have saved that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 [quote=Smirking_Saint; I hope Boruc has been hammering the gym and not the pies over xmas TBH, but reckon Butland or A.N.Other is on his way. I don't know about A.N. OTHER....(give me some names )..... but I can't believe that Butland is even as good / bad...... as Gazzaniga? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 He's not a Premier League keeper, it's simple. We've got someone who was once touted as one of the world's best goalkeepers sitting on the bench. Use him, ffs.[/QUOTE] Agree 100% Crab Lungs ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 I've been expecting Boruc to be playing more (does that water-bottle incident) really matter?.........I certainly think that KD is in his last Saints' season but I'm not ready for Gazzaniga as no.1 yet. I agree KD didn't play well throughout, but the second goal was difficult to see. Watching the many angled TV replays, Upson hits the ball first time and I'm not sure KD saw it through a mass of players. ....and PLEASE.....let no-one blame him for their third goal ! Likely GOAL OF THE SEASON candidate already, and I'd like to meet the keeper who could have saved that one. I've just seen their second goal again. I reckon Kelvin was probably about the only keeper in the Premier who would have let it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 I've just seen their second goal again. I reckon Kelvin was probably about the only keeper in the Premier who would have let it in. Maybe Rob Green would have struggled with it as well. But with him I use the term 'Premier keeper' very loosely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 I've just seen their second goal again. I reckon Kelvin was probably about the only keeper in the Premier who would have let it in.you say you were a keeper, if you used to stop efforts like the second one, you must have been hell of a keeper. If you watch the goal from behind the goal , you can see KD view is obscured. It is one of those that sometimes stay out but others go in. I suspect you would have plucked the 3rd from the air without moving. The microscope is on KD and he is under pressure . I feel we need a keeper, I haven't watched BOrac and so can't judge. Can NA change the keeper yet again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 What makes me laugh was Crouch's effort at the end, it hit the deck and Kelv flapped it to the middle of the goal where someone could of tapped it in. His reflexes have gone!!! At least Gazza still has his as he proved vs the toons but his distribution is pants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 you say you were a keeper, if you used to stop efforts like the second one, you must have been hell of a keeper. If you watch the goal from behind the goal , you can see KD view is obscured. It is one of those that sometimes stay out but others go in. I suspect you would have plucked the 3rd from the air without moving. The microscope is on KD and he is under pressure . I feel we need a keeper, I haven't watched BOrac and so can't judge. Can NA change the keeper yet again? He wasn't particularly unsighted, it wasn't stuck in the corner, he wasn't stretching, and it wasn't drilled with pace. Honestly, a Wessex League keeper would get a bollocking for letting that one in. It wasn't difficult to stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 What makes me laugh was Crouch's effort at the end, it hit the deck and Kelv flapped it to the middle of the goal where someone could of tapped it in. His reflexes have gone!!! At least Gazza still has his as he proved vs the toons but his distribution is pants. And some on here reckon that was a good save! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 He wasn't particularly unsighted, it wasn't stuck in the corner, he wasn't stretching, and it wasn't drilled with pace. Honestly, a Wessex League keeper would get a bollocking for letting that one in. It wasn't difficult to stop.Wade from the normal camera angle it looks poor but from behind the goal I can see how he saw it late. I dearly wish for KD to show the doubters, but he is running out of time. Unlike the last few seasons he has not made a match winning save that shuts the disloyal ungrateful fans among us . I hope Gazza turns into a top keeper but I have little faith at this time, and Boruc seems to be judged on his performances on YouTube not real life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 Wade from the normal camera angle it looks poor but from behind the goal I can see how he saw it late. I dearly wish for KD to show the doubters, but he is running out of time. Unlike the last few seasons he has not made a match winning save that shuts the disloyal ungrateful fans among us . I hope Gazza turns into a top keeper but I have little faith at this time, and Boruc seems to be judged on his performances on YouTube not real life The fact that Boruc hasn't been able to claim the jersey speaks volumes. We definitely need to get someone decent in at the earliest opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 you say you were a keeper, if you used to stop efforts like the second one, you must have been hell of a keeper. If you watch the goal from behind the goal , you can see KD view is obscured. It is one of those that sometimes stay out but others go in. I suspect you would have plucked the 3rd from the air without moving. The microscope is on KD and he is under pressure . I feel we need a keeper, I haven't watched BOrac and so can't judge. Can NA change the keeper yet again? His reaction was far too slow, I agree Re unsighted if it ended up in a corner buy in the end it really didnt, it was straight underneath him. He fell over it, most keepers would have saved it IMO and certainly if I was stood on the line defending I reckon Id have got my foot in the way. With his flapping and certainly when he parried Crouches header into the middle of the 6 yard box he could have cost us the game. This really isnt good enough for any keeper let along of his experience. He is under the microscope for a reason, that one being that its so glaringly obvious what his faults are you can get rid of the microscope !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 What makes me laugh was Crouch's effort at the end, it hit the deck and Kelv flapped it to the middle of the goal where someone could of tapped it in. His reflexes have gone!!! At least Gazza still has his as he proved vs the toons but his distribution is pants. Wow, one of Gazza's biggest pluses over KD is his distribution. The fact that he actually gives it to one of our players and doesn't kick into touch like KD usually does for a start. KD used to have one strong point, his shot stopping. Well, I think even that is now a bit suspect, 2nd goal yesterday was a dolly and he let it squirm through his hands (sorry don't buy the unsighted argument, if he was unsighted why did h get his hands round the ball). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 I've been expecting Boruc to be playing more (does that water-bottle incident) really matter?.........I certainly think that KD is in his last Saints' season but I'm not ready for Gazzaniga as no.1 yet. I agree KD didn't play well throughout, but the second goal was difficult to see. Watching the many angled TV replays, Upson hits the ball first time and I'm not sure KD saw it through a mass of players. ....and PLEASE.....let no-one blame him for their third goal ! Likely GOAL OF THE SEASON candidate already, and I'd like to meet the keeper who could have saved that one. He was not entirely blameless though, as he lets in far too many goals from long range shots. Any good goalkeeping coach will tell you that when facing play, you should stay on your line until the player with the ball comes into the Penalty Area and then you move out to narrow the angle.Kelvin was at least 4 feet off his line when that excellent shot came in. If he had been on his line there might,just might, have been a chance of saving it as it dropped down into the goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 you must have the shortest memory in the history of football. Gazza lost his confidence completely after some terrible performances and in the end was a complete liability. He was a busted flush. The Norwich game is right up there with Ian Andrews at QPR as one of the worst displays I have ever seen from a Saints keeper. Thank god NA dropped him. you must have the shortest memory in the history of football. KD lost his confidence completely after some terrible performances and in the end was a complete liability. He was a busted flush. The Arsenal game is right up there with Ian Andrews at QPR as one of the worst displays I have ever seen from a Saints keeper. Thank god NA dropped him. See what I did there? Davis is no better than Gazzaniga, but that doesn't mean I regard Gazzaniga any better than Davis. Marginally possibly but not by any great distance by any means. I did think Gazzaniga was the answer at first but it's proven too much of a step up for him too soon in his career. He has the potential to be but he simply isn't good enough yet, whereas Davis wasn't good enough for the PL 7 years ago, let alone now at 36 when his reflexes aren't as good. When KD sat down on his arse against Arsenal as Gervinho slammed the ball past him at the near post as if it was an open goal, it confirmed that KD shouldn't be anywhere near a PL first team. But has Gazzaniga been any better after his run of games? At the absolute best, barely. With his experience Boruc should be claiming the number one jersey with ease, but for whatever reason he hasn't and there must be one hell of a good reason why NA is keeping him on the bench. Personally I think we should give Boruc one last try against Arsenal and possibly the FA cup game, and if there isn't any vast improvement then we need someone in on loan preferably by the Villa game. This may risk unsettling the defence but it's a calculated gamble. The defence and Boruc could be a calamity together but the thought of having Davis (or Gazzaniga for that matter) in goal against Arsenal again terrifies me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsarum Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 love e way everybody has a go at Kelvin Yesterday he wasn't put off by all the Stoke players running at him at corners and throw in's and tried to win every ball, cathing it well seeral times, punching it a couple of time and missing it a couple of times I'd rather have him trying to ghe ball than hiding on his line tht many ohter keepers do when they go to Stoke Gazza is a good keeper for the future but currently very poor on crosses and would not have handed the bombardment Kelvin was subjected to yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 He was not entirely blameless though, as he lets in far too many goals from long range shots. Any good goalkeeping coach will tell you that when facing play, you should stay on your line until the player with the ball comes into the Penalty Area and then you move out to narrow the angle.Kelvin was at least 4 feet off his line when that excellent shot came in. If he had been on his line there might,just might, have been a chance of saving it as it dropped down into the goal. I've had some decent coaching over the years, and I've never heard that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrey1saint Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 Gazza would be a better bet than Kelvin IMO. He has better reflexes as he is young,& great distribution . Kelvin was woeful yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILLY Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 I watched yesterday's game online and have seen nearly every game this season (home or away) mainly in the ground and the rest online. I am grateful for what Kelvin Davis has done in the past but that is in the past now and he is cleary not good enough for the PL and is a liability. I said after the Fulham game I hope he never plays for us again. He cost us the game that day when he flapped at a cross and pushed ball straight to Beratov (sp) to score. He flapped at every ball that came in from a corner or throw in yesterday and was at fault for the 2nd goal. He was lucky yesterday. He's been a great servant in the past but maybe he should look at coaching now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 30 December, 2012 Share Posted 30 December, 2012 I've had some decent coaching over the years, and I've never heard that one. Obviously nor has Kelvin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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