Stoke 3 Saints 3 - Post Match Reactions

[Coxford_lou]

people forget that we have only just been promoted, yet we are more than competing at this level now, which we had no divine right to do so. We gave a well established Premiership side the run around for an hour today. Lots of positives if you want to see them. We are so much better organised than the WBA debacle. We need to keep improving. We should expect some defeats in the next few weeks against the better sides, but we might just surprise one or two too.

 

This.

 

Makes me laugh how negative people are on here - any other team's forum has unending bias for their club. Whereas on here, poor old Saints get constantly slated! Crazy.

 

While final result was frustrating, they're still an inexperienced team - holding on to a lead is down to 'know-how' not skill, and that's the easy bit to gain, just needs time. That first half performance showed amazing potential! Exciting times for Saints supporters (or at least, it should be).

[the stain]

just seen the goals again on goals on sunday

it really was a horrific miss by guly.....it really was

 

kelvin/defenc should really have stopped their 2nd goal....davis compeletly let it go under his hand when he could have easily stopped it with his foot it was that easy....davis just flapped at everything

 

I actually don't think it was as easy as people are making out.

[hasper57saint]

Corky didn't 'Red-Card' the bloke. Clattenberg did. Looked to me that the Ref was right. Stoke 'fans'???? seem to forget,just like their Manager, that Kenwynns goal was preceded on the touchline (not twenty feet from where I stood0 with a deliberate hand-ball which the ineffective and incompetent Lino chose not to see. As for the 'Oatcakers Forum' pathetic!

[Restark19]

I actually don't think it was as easy as people are making out.

 

Agreed. Many better players would have missed it as well

[suewhistle]

Spin, spin, spin.

 

People like you will be posting happy-clappy stuff whatever the circumstances. A complete lack of balance makes your posts utterly ridiculous.

 

Amidst all the gloom on here this bit genuinely made me laugh, and as we all know, it was said with a complete lack of irony..

 

That result was annoying, but we seemed to compete with Stoke physically a lot better than previous games had led me to expect. I'd agree with most on here that Davis is not the answer, but it was interesting to see the number of keepers' mistakes leading to goals over the last few games. I thought fresh legs up front might have helped, as we were defending from the front all game, and there were a few tired legs out there. Would Ramirez have helped in holding the ball more up front? Not sure to be honest in that one of his strengths is seeing the runs and making the pass, and there was less such movement in the final 20 minutes. The other thing is that once Stoke had the ball they cut out the midfield anyway, so we would have needed to retain possession very well indeed to avoid giving them any of their usual opportunities. They're effective but b****y ugly.

 

No point analysing all the individual little incidents; they appear to have been done to death in just the few pages I've read here. Beyond my disappointment at the final result we did score 3 goals at Stoke, and that'll be a rare event this season and hopefully it'll have given our forwards a bit more confidence.

[CB Fry]

Corky didn't 'Red-Card' the bloke. Clattenberg did. Looked to me that the Ref was right. Stoke 'fans'???? seem to forget,just like their Manager, that Kenwynns goal was preceded on the touchline (not twenty feet from where I stood0 with a deliberate hand-ball which the ineffective and incompetent Lino chose not to see. As for the 'Oatcakers Forum' pathetic!

 

 

 

Spare a thought for them. They do have to live in one of the most nondescript cesspits in Britain populated by low IQ trogs speaking in a peculiar wannabe-scouse accent.

 

With all that to live with the bitterness is understandable.

[Puddings and Monkeys]

This.

 

Makes me laugh how negative people are on here - any other team's forum has unending bias for their club. Whereas on here, poor old Saints get constantly slated! Crazy.

 

While final result was frustrating, they're still an inexperienced team - holding on to a lead is down to 'know-how' not skill, and that's the easy bit to gain, just needs time. That first half performance showed amazing potential! Exciting times for Saints supporters (or at least, it should be).

 

Well said. Prepare to be lambasted for talking sense.

[Glasgow_Saint]

Hope Gulys miss doesnt cost us at the end of the season.......if we go down by a point or two

[norwaysaint]

Pleased to see that most posters with any sense can see that Guly's miss wasn't that bad. I thought it'd be a flood of thoughtless blame.

 

A shot at speed, first touch, at an angle on his wrong foot. How is that an easy shot? If he'd been a left footed player, he probably should've got it. Ramirez, with his unusual ability to make time slow down when the ball touches his boot, might have managed something, but any other right footed striker in the same position would've done as well as Guly did and needed a good slice of luck to bury it.

[Thedelldays]

Pleased to see that most posters with any sense can see that Guly's miss wasn't that bad. I thought it'd be a flood of thoughtless blame.

 

A shot at speed, first touch, at an angle on his wrong foot. How is that an easy shot? If he'd been a left footed player, he probably should've got it. Ramirez, with his unusual ability to make time slow down when the ball touches his boot, might have managed something, but any other right footed striker in the same position would've done as well as Guly did and needed a good slice of luck to bury it.

it really was...premier league game..ball comes to him at around knee height...decent angle..open goal

 

he really should be scoring that and probably would if he had another 9 attempts..

 

had a good game mind but that miss was terrible

[Glasgow_Saint]

 

A shot at speed, first touch, at an angle on his wrong foot.

 

You conveniently forget to mention that he had the time and space to take a touch, better the angle and move to his preffered foot if thats what he needed.

 

Very poor miss from a poor player out of form, favour and chances. No goals in over a year, 32 games now!! Average league 1 player

[pimpin4rizeal]

why was we so negative in the second half, stoke were down to ten men we had a two goal lead yet we just tried to hoof the ball clear for the majority of the second half.

we needed a outlet yet took off puncheon for richardson,ramirez could have really helped us this game yet didnt get off the bench.

adkins treated stoke with ten men like barcelona and in the end we got what we deserved.

for me that was the worst decisions by adkins this season 2 points thrown away

[Window Cleaner]

Hope Gulys miss doesnt cost us at the end of the season.......if we go down by a point or two

 

and Gazza's and Kelvin's f*cks up in all that. What we do know is that those have already cost us at least 6 points.

[Sour Mash]

why was we so negative in the second half, stoke were down to ten men we had a two goal lead yet we just tried to hoof the ball clear for the majority of the second half.

we needed a outlet yet took off puncheon for richardson,ramirez could have really helped us this game yet didnt get off the bench.

adkins treated stoke with ten men like barcelona and in the end we got what we deserved.

for me that was the worst decisions by adkins this season 2 points thrown away

Exactly tis. Posters continue to rattle on about Guly's miss, ignoring the long list of reasons why we weren't able to see out a 3-1 lead.

[Glasgow_Saint]

and Gazza's and Kelvin's f*cks up in all that. What we do know is that those have already cost us at least 6 points.

 

Keepers at every club have made mistakes this season

[pimpin4rizeal]

Exactly tis. Posters continue to rattle on about Guly's miss, ignoring the long list of reasons why we weren't able to see out a 3-1 lead.

 

Exactly we showed stoke way to much respect, for 90 percent of the second half we just booted the ball clear giving it straight back to stoke.

Why didn't we pass it around and make them chase the ball ? Or get our creative players on like Ramirez and try to hit them on the break .

I don't usually hate on Adkins but the coward football he had us play in the 2nd half cost us this game I

[saintsmike25]

Spin, spin, spin.

 

People like you will be posting happy-clappy stuff whatever the circumstances. A complete lack of balance makes your posts utterly ridiculous. For example, there is a complete lack of mention of us spending more money on the squad last summer than every club in Europe, bar half-a-dozen. The performances and results that leave you so delighted are a poor return for that, especially as the manager is clueless on who his best GK is (having brought in two very mediocre additions) and his substitution strategy.

 

If you can read my post, what did the first sentence say.

 

"I thought we would get trounced 5-1" - Is that the view of a happy clappy with undying faith and rose tinted glasses? I doubt it.

 

There are some serious holes in all of your arguments. Money spent on a team should not equate to instant results. You're forgetting that Ramirez, Mayuka, Yoshida, etc are all having a culture shock, adapting to both the language and the league. And also the demands, and gelling with the team.

Look at Man City and how much they spent they did not win the league instantly despite spending hundreds of millions.

In terms of performances, do the fans who watch the games want Adkins out? Are they complaining inecessantly calling for his heads, and saying that two away points at Fulham and Stoke are poor? No. That is YOU.

 

You sit in your ivory tower, or should I say mountain Chalet somewhere in the Alps, detached from your team who you comment negativily about, you barely watch a game every season. Yet you feel the need to criticise them at every turn. No matter what season, what league and what manager.

 

Can others post positively about the team they support? Without being called spin doctors and happy clappy? Or has it become into some sort of "them and us" with you and others negative views being righteous, and anyone who dares to praise this team as happy clappy.

 

It's little wonder so many on here leapt to the defence of my post, and pointed out your sad reply to it, was well sad. Because the reality is we gained a point at Stoke, a place that 90% of us thought we would not get anything from.

 

Did you watch the game? Did you see the second half performance by Stoke? Even down to 10 men they were inspired, they called it their best half of football this season. Yet it must have been down to us, did you even witness the two goals, one was absolutely indefendable, a wonder strike. I won't criticise Saints for conceding a worldy, had Jerome not hit that 35-yard half volley we would have won.

 

People criticising Adkins for defensive substitutions, well he tried to see out the game and defend it didn't work. But if he had brought on a striker, and then we had the same result, you'd get the same whinging on here. From people like you Alpine.

 

I didn't go to Stoke, but I watched the game on a stream. I was delighted with how we played, and the majority of our fans are too.

 

As for the goalkeeping dilemma, Adkins is doing what most managers do, putting in which keeper is in form, who is playing well in games. When Kelvin makes a mistake - a howler, he will replace him with Gazanigga or Boruc, generally thats what happens unless your first team GK is first class. You seem to forget Boruc played for Celtic for many years as a first team regular, and Gaz is young and I don't think he should have been given so many games. But to write him off already is foolish.

 

You also seem to forget we bid £6m for Jack Butland.

 

Enjoy posting negative drivel for the rest of the season. When someone takes your opinion seriously and agrees with it, thats when we should be worried. The good thing is however, most think you and your opinion are a complete joke.

 

Happy new year.

[View From The Top]

Exactly we showed stoke way to much respect, for 90 percent of the second half we just booted the ball clear giving it straight back to stoke.

Why didn't we pass it around and make them chase the ball ? Or get our creative players on like Ramirez and try to hit them on the break .

I don't usually hate on Adkins but the coward football he had us play in the 2nd half cost us this game I

 

His decisions regarding shape and subs did cost us. Instead of attempting to take the game to them we surrendered the initiative.

 

That said, it did take a worldy for them to snatch a point.

[Jimmy_D]

His decisions regarding shape and subs did cost us. Instead of attempting to take the game to them we surrendered the initiative.

 

That said, it did take a worldy for them to snatch a point.

 

Aye, I reckon that most days, the tactics we changed to would have got us the win.

 

Maybe going more attacking would have got us the win on the day yesterday, but I'm not convinced it would work more often in the long run.

[Wes Tender]

Hope Gulys miss doesnt cost us at the end of the season.......if we go down by a point or two

 

And Stoke must also be cursing that Kenwyn-Jones' even worse miss might possibly cost them a higher league position at the end of the season.

 

Personally, I suspect that come the end of the season, if any individual player's negative contribution will be considered in our final reckoning, so far it would be Hoiveld's own goals. I doubt that any players' missed shots will be remembered.

[Give it to Ron]

And Stoke must also be cursing that Kenwyn-Jones' even worse miss might possibly cost them a higher league position at the end of the season.

 

Personally, I suspect that come the end of the season, if any individual player's negative contribution will be considered in our final reckoning, so far it would be Hoiveld's own goals. I doubt that any players' missed shots will be remembered.

 

Goalkeeping errors for me....we would be over 20 points and well on the way to safety by now.

[Thedelldays]

And Stoke must also be cursing that Kenwyn-Jones' even worse miss might possibly cost them a higher league position at the end of the season.

 

Personally, I suspect that come the end of the season, if any individual player's negative contribution will be considered in our final reckoning, so far it would be Hoiveld's own goals. I doubt that any players' missed shots will be remembered.

the horrednous errors our keepers have made have been criminal

[Chez]

And Stoke must also be cursing that Kenwyn-Jones' even worse miss might possibly cost them a higher league position at the end of the season.

 

Personally, I suspect that come the end of the season, if any individual player's negative contribution will be considered in our final reckoning, so far it would be Hoiveld's own goals. I doubt that any players' missed shots will be remembered.

 

Prutton's miss at WBA still lingers in the mind. if we go down again then Gazza's ****ups against Swansea and Norwich will be at the top of my list of memorable errors.

[Chez]

http://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Potters&action=display&thread=205295

 

that's a funny thread ands well deserved. Cork's actions were embarrassing.

[RobM]

Exactly tis. Posters continue to rattle on about Guly's miss, ignoring the long list of reasons why we weren't able to see out a 3-1 lead.

 

Oh come on, get with it, missing one of the eight chances we had as a team is clearly worse than conceding three goals... if it's Guly that does it.

[Appy]

that's a funny thread ands well deserved. Cork's actions were embarrassing.

 

It was a red.

[Sour Mash]

that's a funny thread ands well deserved. Cork's actions were embarrassing.

What actions were they?

[sotonist]

What actions were they?

he wore a santa suit.

[Charlie Wayman]

WTF is wrong with Adkins, 3-1 up going on 4-1 and he goes all defensive to "protect the win"..... WTF is that all about? Any clown knows you can't defend a lead for 45 mins by just not bothering to play football and let the oppo's come at you time and time again and try to keep them out. The bloke is tactically effing useless and even if he can only see the positives I'm effed if I can and pretty sure Mr Cortese won't either. Unless we do something different pretty soon we are going down the effing tube make no mistake.

[Dig Dig]

WTF is wrong with Adkins, 3-1 up going on 4-1 and he goes all defensive to "protect the win"..... WTF is that all about? Any clown knows you can't defend a lead for 45 mins by just not bothering to play football and let the oppo's come at you time and time again and try to keep them out. The bloke is tactically effing useless and even if he can only see the positives I'm effed if I can and pretty sure Mr Cortese won't either. Unless we do something different pretty soon we are going down the effing tube make no mistake.

 

I guess Adkins **** effing tactics had nothing to do with us dominating the first half and managing to get a 3-1 lead against a side who conceded 4 at their place all season?

[VectisSaint]

WTF is wrong with Adkins, 3-1 up going on 4-1 and he goes all defensive to "protect the win"..... WTF is that all about? Any clown knows you can't defend a lead for 45 mins by just not bothering to play football and let the oppo's come at you time and time again and try to keep them out. The bloke is tactically effing useless and even if he can only see the positives I'm effed if I can and pretty sure Mr Cortese won't either. Unless we do something different pretty soon we are going down the effing tube make no mistake.

Did Adkins go defensive? Did Stoke come out and play very differently in the 2nd half after a hair dryer half time from Pulis. Some people seem to forget that a football match includes 2 teams. We were dominant in the 1st half, but Stoke were also appalling (nevertheless they should have had 2). Anyone who cannot see some positives from yesterday really should hang their head in shame, we battered Stoke for 45 minutes, playing them at their own game. 3 goals scored at the Britannia, only 4 goals conceded in their previous 11, I really do wonder about some of our (Arsenal) supporters.

[Rasiak-9-]

Regardless of the credit of getting a point at Stoke, you will never, NEVER see a team make less of having a man advantage than we did yesterday.

 

Wack it forward and get it wacked straight back. We just didn't even try to keep the ball towards the end of the match.

 

Defending like what you do for the last 30-60 seconds, not for the last 20 minutes. Even more scandalous was the fact that with the game at 3-3 with seven minutes to go we could have just as easily have gone for the winner as Stoke.

 

We just cannot react to goals and the change of tactics that come from teams. It can manifest itself the way it did against Sunderland/Fulham, with us just having no idea how to break a team down that goes backs-to-the-wall and does so quite well and it can manifest itself like it did against Stoke with the opposition reacting better to at least 5 of the 6 goals that went in at either end yesterday.

[sotonjoe]

Without wishing to sound completely cynical, but if we were so fantastic in the first half was it purely coincidental that our three goals were a result of calamitous defending?

[View From The Top]

WTF is wrong with Adkins, 3-1 up going on 4-1 and he goes all defensive to "protect the win"..... WTF is that all about? Any clown knows you can't defend a lead for 45 mins by just not bothering to play football and let the oppo's come at you time and time again and try to keep them out. The bloke is tactically effing useless and even if he can only see the positives I'm effed if I can and pretty sure Mr Cortese won't either. Unless we do something different pretty soon we are going down the effing tube make no mistake.

 

I thought you'd be chuffed with Arsenals revival cu.ntychops.

[Chez]

It was a red.

 

I agree. The intent in the tackle and studs being up justified a red, but from what I could see on MOTD those studs didn't actually touch Cork, therefore there was no reason to roll around as if they had.

[mitch01]

WTF is wrong with Adkins, 3-1 up going on 4-1 and he goes all defensive to "protect the win"..... WTF is that all about? Any clown knows you can't defend a lead for 45 mins by just not bothering to play football and let the oppo's come at you time and time again and try to keep them out. The bloke is tactically effing useless and even if he can only see the positives I'm effed if I can and pretty sure Mr Cortese won't either. Unless we do something different pretty soon we are going down the effing tube make no mistake.

 

Yeah I bet Adkins told the team to stop playing in the second half and just defend. Or maybe it had something to do with the presence of another team with other ideas on the pitch.

 

Yesterday was disappointing in one way, but still highly impressive in most others - on another day we win that game 3-2 or even 4-1. Arsenal will be tough but I trust Nigel to get the team well and truly up for the occasion.

[up and away]

I would have been happy with a point at the beginning of this game, happy with a point after it was all over and some in between moments where I was not really sure what was going on.

Stoke made that game very easy for us for extended periods, gave Ricky space and the midfield. Throw in a couple of very soft goals and it looked like we were ruling the roost. Stoke started to claw their way back and when they put a substitute into midfield, I could see this going all wrong when and so it looked, followed bt a great chance when they had a man sent off. That extra man normally means curtains for the opposition but it hardly caused a ripple, such was our lack of control. At that point if we had of dropped Ricky and brought on Davis we had a good chance of getting some control. We were poor in that first half but Stoke made us look good until it got through to them, then it was just a question if we could hang on. Our opta stats were pretty good in comparison to Stoke but way way down from what our midfield was doing at the start of the season.

[Restark19]

that's a funny thread ands well deserved. Cork's actions were embarrassing.

 

Lol at one of them saying 'the team follows the manager - w*nkers' that's rich with Tony Pulis in charge at the ****annia

[Sour Mash]

I agree. The intent in the tackle and studs being up justified a red, but from what I could see on MOTD those studs didn't actually touch Cork, therefore there was no reason to roll around as if they had.

Wrong. They showed on Sky's "Goals on Sunday" this morning that N'Zoni's right knee came crashing down on Cork's knee, more than enough reason for any "reaction" from Cork. Absolutely nothing for Stoke fans to complain about that, but I'm sure they won't let that stop them using it as a reason to feel hard done by.

[Colinjb]

NEVER see a team make less of having a man advantage than we did yesterday.

 

Nonsense. I saw a Margate side gunning for conference football throw away a 2-0 lead for a 2-3 defeat to 10 man Folkestone Invicta at their own Cheriton Road ground back in 1999. Stranger things have happened, football is a game that cannot be ruled by numbers alone and the very game plan which saw us take a three - one lead also left us hanging on for dear life knackered at the end.

 

It was a point won. It took a worldy to deprive us of all three. One of the best and most entertaining away spectacles I've ever attended.

Edited 31 December, 2012 by Colinjb

[saintbob40]

Spare a thought for them. They do have to live in one of the most nondescript cesspits in Britain populated by low IQ trogs speaking in a peculiar wannabe-scouse accent.

 

With all that to live with the bitterness is understandable.

 

Just looking on their message board "the Oatcake" on their take of the Cork incident. Some very funny posts. Perhaps we could trade a number of the dull, hectoring, witless tosspots who post on this board in the January transfer window and bring in a few of these low IQ clay heads to add some humour to this board.