Stoke 3 Saints 3 - Post Match Reactions

[pingwing]

Right train back from stoke now and some time to take it in.

 

On the one hand 2 points dropped in the short term, long term one point wouldn't have other wise seen us get.

 

Guly, other than the defensive laps for their first, man of the match! The had no answer and drugged with him out wide. We were excellent first half, doing what we do as ell as any team in the league, pressing them in their half. After their 2nd we stopped and tried to hold out for 3-2, which has and never will work. Shame but Adkins has to learn from that now!

 

They were a lot better after the sending off and playing 5-0-4, mostly because we let them and assumed the still didn know about punch. Adkins should have known to keep the ball from them an pressure for a 4th. Still a point is a point.

 

Again stars of today, Guly, cork, morg, fonte and yoshida. All really good hard fought games. Stand out problem kelvin! No command of the area came for everything regardless

Of how stupid it was and generally showed why we needed a prem keeper today badly.

[BILLY]

The retards that are complaining are the same retards who said we'd get stuffed,and the same retards who wrote our chances off when they saw the team sheet. There are some MASSIVE ***ts on this forum. 10 men or not, 3-1 lead or not, to get anything at stoke in our position is positive.

 

No need to call anyone a retard. Everyone is entitled to their view. I agree 1 point away at Stoke is good but throwing away a win is hard to take.

[jupu]

Usual response from the usual depressives. Man up. A point is a point.

 

On to the next.

 

Tis.

[Winchester Red]

No not a warped mind. I would have a taken a point before the game too but we ******* through this one away. Guly and Davis cost us the game. Richardson should have taken the ball to the corner and wasted time, not crossed it. Davis is a liability.

 

No offence Billy but I don't get this.

 

How can you say Guly cost us the game. If you take him out of the equation we didn't go 1-0 up.

 

Or do you just take the good things for granted and slag people off for the mistakes?

[RedWillie]

Alternative match report;

10 man Saints came from 2 goals behind to grab a vital point in their match away to Stoke today.

Lambert scored the late equaliser with a stunning effort resulting in a 3-3 draw.

 

Fantasy result 3-3=1 point

Real result 3-3=1 point

 

Always makes me feel better switching the order of goals in a game.

 

I like this analogy a lot !

[ART]

Team selection and Guly's role in the absence of Adam was amazing. How can people just jump on him for missing a sitter. How many times does Ricky do the same, yet none of the racist backlash. The guy was gutted.

Fergie says the brst way to hold on to a lead is attack, yet Adkind has shown time and time he just loses the plot when we are leading like today.

It's a miracle after Kenwyn scored that Crouchie didn't score to finish us off. Ex players always come back to haunt us. For once, in Crouch we had an ex who was jinxed and let us off the hook.

We are in deep trouble unless Nigel can get his substitutions right and holds on to leads. Strangely January 5th 2005 Harry got a 3-3 draw with Fulham after we'd lost to Liverpool 1-0. Heartening was we beat Liverpool two weeks later 2-0.

[manji]

Guly was brilliant today.

He was indeed. I reckon the dubious substitutions cost us the 3 points.

[corky morris]

We were great first half. As soon as Guly missed you could sense what was coming. Would have taken a point before hand, but a bit disappointed to have drawn the game.

Stoke really do hoof it!!!

[RobM]

******* Guly and Davis cost us again. If Guly hadn't had missed that open goal if would have been game over at 4-1. And again Davis flapping at everything - he is a liablity.

 

Will NA ever learn and get his tactics right?

 

Guly made one goal, was excellent defensively (moreso than any other attacking player in recent games), put in more dangerous crosses than anybody else but Puncheon and without knowing hard-facts, I'd say he covered more ground than anybody else too. Without him we wouldn't have gotten a point. He did not cost us the game.

[Winchester Red]

He was indeed. I reckon the dubious substitutions cost us the 3 points.

 

Actually the only thing that cost us 3 points in the end was a 35yard stunner

[BILLY]

No offence Billy but I don't get this.

 

How can you say Guly cost us the game. If you take him out of the equation we didn't go 1-0 up.

 

Or do you just take the good things for granted and slag people off for the mistakes?

 

 

Yeah I suppose I am - I hate losing. Watched the match online and Guly contributed with the cross for our 1st goal but again he cost us as it could have been game over at 4-1.

[Window Cleaner]

Right train back from stoke now and some time to take it in.

 

On the one hand 2 points dropped in the short term, long term one point wouldn't have other wise seen us get.

 

Guly, other than the defensive laps for their first, man of the match! The had no answer and drugged with him out wide. We were excellent first half, doing what we do as ell as any team in the league, pressing them in their half. After their 2nd we stopped and tried to hold out for 3-2, which has and never will work. Shame but Adkins has to learn from that now!

 

They were a lot better after the sending off and playing 5-0-4, mostly because we let them and assumed the still didn know about punch. Adkins should have known to keep the ball from them an pressure for a 4th. Still a point is a point.

 

Again stars of today, Guly, cork, morg, fonte and yoshida. All really good hard fought games. Stand out problem kelvin! No command of the area came for everything regardless

Of how stupid it was and generally showed why we needed a prem keeper today badly.

 

 

Kelvin is not the problem, the bloke who keeps playing him is. We have alternatives, neither of them can be worse really.

[solentstars]

Actually the only thing that cost us 3 points in the end was a 35yard stunner

 

Yes you think some of the whingers would realise that ..all the.players did great proud of them terrific point.

 

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[CaneNero]

We don't know how to hold a lead, Stoke down to 10 men, you've got to stop them from playing their game, keep possession by passing it on the floor, hit them on the break, for that we shouldn't have subbed on Richardson at the end and gone for someone attacking instead, anyway holding leads is something I expect we'll learn with experience.

 

I'm not sure how much we can blame Davis, possibility that he could have saved their second goal but he was behind 2 players, however something like that is what a decent keeper would save and hence why I think we need to buy a goalkeeper in the window.

[Window Cleaner]

Probably not the place to ask but Gaston and Clyne were injured yes ?

Saw the goals at half time Arse-Toon, Jos was waving at what exactly when Jerome scored ?

[kpturner]

Yeah I suppose I am - I hate losing.

We didn't lose - HTH

[Chez]

Guly was brilliant today.

 

no he wasn't, he should have saved that screamer from Jerome

[Chez]

I'm not sure how much we can blame Davis,

I wouldn't worry about it, no doubt half the board will be blaming him despite the fact he saved Crouch's header at the end to earn us a point.

[BILLY]

We didn't lose - HTH

 

Sorry! I felt like we had LOST!

[Dr Who?]

Good point in a game I expected to lose. Shame we did not hang on. Have to say loving this season. Two draws on the road, an arsenal next!

[alpine_saint]

2 points lost. 3-1 ahead and couldnt shut up shop.

 

All the intermittent brilliance we demonstrate in attacking is undone by our inability to close a game down.

 

This result on its own is great, but not on a backdrop of lost home points to Fulham, Swansea, Sunderland, Wigan.

 

I think we are going down, sadly.

[Winchester Red]

Good point in a game I expected to lose. Shame we did not hang on. Have to say loving this season. Two draws on the road, an arsenal next!

 

Yep. An Arsenal side that have just scored 7

 

 

Maybe Theo and Alex will take pity and leave their shooting boots in London

[Norm]

I've had enough in here, too many wrist slashers.

[MOSaint]

Arsenal using up all their goals tonight.

[pingwing]

Kelvin is not the problem, the bloke who keeps playing him is. We have alternatives, neither of them can be worse really.

 

My real problem is we all can see he's not premier league yet isn't given the same level of rubbish as gazza (who I still feel is the best of the three options).

 

I fully expect before the arsenal game we announce a new keeper and start them then or In the fa cup as it is terrifying to keep persisting with what we have.

 

Still think some players could get away with rape and be hated less than others too.

 

Eitherway bbc lied to me and stoke are just a well drilled champ team playing gash football not the surprise of the season at all.

[ottery st mary]

Suggest we definitely have at least 2 goalkeepers in against the Arsenal....

 

Saints to win 3-1:D

 

 

 

Sorrrreeee wrong fred...

Edited 29 December, 2012 by ottery st mary

[Chez]

2 points lost. 3-1 ahead and couldnt shut up shop.

 

All the intermittent brilliance we demonstrate in attacking is undone by our inability to close a game down.

 

This result on its own is great, but not on a backdrop of lost home points to Fulham, Swansea, Sunderland, Wigan.

 

I think we are going down, sadly.

 

1 point gained. Did brilliantly to forge a lead, but were unlucky to concede to a wonder strike.

 

The ability to unlock teams is what gives is a great chance in games even if we go behind,

 

Any point away from home is good and after a poor start to the season we've become a very competitive Premiership outfit.

 

I think we will stay up, happily.

[K,Billy's supersound]

good point when all said and done, and my god i ****ing hate pullis. the footballing world will be so much better off the day he retires and takes his **** brand of football with him.

 

abit worried regards the next two games though. having just conceded 3 goals against a team that don't score that many up next arsenal who just put 7 past the toon then chelsea themselves in rich scoring vein. i hope we play second string in the cup to me the villa game is so much more important we should forget the f.a cup this year.

[Wade Garrett]

The retards that are complaining are the same retards who said we'd get stuffed,and the same retards who wrote our chances off when they saw the team sheet. There are some MASSIVE ***ts on this forum. 10 men or not, 3-1 lead or not, to get anything at stoke in our position is positive.

 

'Retards'? Sorry, you're the one coming across as a c*nt.

[Window Cleaner]

good point when all said and done, and my god i ****ing hate pullis. the footballing world will be so much better off the day he retires and takes his **** brand of football with him.

 

abit worried regards the next two games though. having just conceded 3 goals against a team that don't score that many up next arsenal who just put 7 past the toon then chelsea themselves in rich scoring vein. i hope we play second string in the cup to me the villa game is so much more important we should forget the f.a cup this year.

 

Youth team in the Cup, they'll be too good for Chelsea reserves anyway.

[Chez]

**** the league, lets win the bloody FA cup.

[Saint Martini]

Guly was brilliant and it wasn't that easy a chance he missed. Its a volley with his wrong foot. Ofcourse he should have done better but its not like he's missed from two yards with the goal wide open to tap in.

 

Its a shame we lost after taking a 3-1 lead but in the end you have to applaud Stoke for their effort. They were relentless the second half and because both Lambert and Rodriguez were tired they couldn't hold up the ball long enough to relief pressure. I don't blame Adkins for putting on Fox and Richardson. He could have chosen for an attacker and hope for a counter but both options were viable. Now we conceded in the 90th minute but it needed a wonder strike for them to get that.

 

MOTM: Guly as good offensively as he was in attack.

[kpturner]

MOTM: Guly as good offensively as he was in attack.

Eh? What was he like defensively?

[M271]

See link, I think that Stoke fans are bidding to take over from Man Utd fans as the most blinkered bunch of t0ssers. Every forum has some numb heads (including this one!) but they seem to have a disproportionate amount!. I was at the match and have to say that overall a draw was the fair result, our mistake was trying to play their game and defending deep in the last 15 minutes. I agree with others that when Guly missed his chance to go 4-1 up the people around me looked at each other and said that it would be a decisive moment, as it proved.

 

http://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Potters&action=display&thread=205192

[S-Clarke]

See link, I think that Stoke fans are bidding to take over from Man Utd fans as the most blinkered bunch of t0ssers. Every forum has some numb heads (including this one!) but they seem to have a disproportionate amount!. I was at the match and have to say that overall a draw was the fair result, our mistake was trying to play their game and defending deep in the last 15 minutes. I agree with others that when Guly missed his chance to go 4-1 up the people around me looked at each other and said that it would be a decisive moment, as it proved.

 

http://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Potters&action=display&thread=205192

 

Christ, what a bunch of weirdo's. Of all teams, to see Stoke complaining about us playing long ball is hilarious. They are probably the most dull team in the history of the PL, they will get relegated at some point in the next few years, so they best enjoy it as they are.

 

It might be rose tinted glasses, but from where I was sat we dominated most of that first half and looked pretty good for it. Not sure why they think they're some sort of Barcelona all of a sudden, they're a bog standard english team punching above their weight.

[kpturner]

2 points lost. 3-1 ahead and couldnt shut up shop.

 

All the intermittent brilliance we demonstrate in attacking is undone by our inability to close a game down.

 

This result on its own is great, but not on a backdrop of lost home points to fulham, swansea, sunderland, wigan.

 

I think we are going down, sadly.

yawn!

[Shroppie]

Eh? What was he like defensively?

 

Just to be clear, very good. Challenged well, tracked back, blocked and was generally excellent.

[View From The Top]

Adkins one mistake was taking JP off and not replacing him with SD or GR.

 

It was there for the taking but we handed the emphasis to Stoke much in the same way we did to Utd.

[OldNick]

I am surprised how badly NA is received by opposition fans. He always praises the other team,perhaps he ought to just ignore the other team like Pulis who was negative

[raynesparksaint]

Credit to Stoke for their work-ethic, persistance and all of the other over-used superlatives, but it's so frustrating that we can't defend a lead, particularly against ten men. We can't sit back and invite a team like Stoke to pepper our penalty box, we needed to cut off the supply from the flanks a lot better and play a higher line.

 

An unexpected point, but I can't help but rue the two we dropped. As good as the first half was, we really needed to capitalise on the good fortune and get the points in the bag.

[kpturner]

Just to be clear, very good. Challenged well, tracked back, blocked and was generally excellent.

I think you missed the point

[hasper57saint]

Guly excellent.However, when they went down to ten men I KNEW the Officials wouldn't give us anything and they didn't.From where I stood there were at least ROUR genuine appeals forhand ball but the Lino our side gave us absolutely nothing.I'm not happy with one point.I said in the build-up we could win this and we almost did.

[SNSUN]

I didn't think we had any hope of getting anything out of this game, so we can only see it as a point gained, but it feels like 2 dropped from such a good half time position. Arsenal at home on Tuesday, I'm not looking forward to that, live on Sky.

[Shroppie]

I think you missed the point

 

No, I did appreciate your point but thought Guly deserved to be praised for his defensive as well as offensive activities (and attacking and defending).

[for_heaven's_Saint]

2 points from 2 away games is not bad. If you'd offered it to me after Sunderland I'd have taken it. If we can get something against Arsenal this will look like a very good point.

[Lord Duckhunter]

I wish people would stop with this 10 men nonsense, it's not as if it was Arsenal or man c or even Wigan who pass the ball around for fun and therefore would miss the 11th player and not be as effective. Having 10 men only really affects Stoke when they're using every man to close out a game. They aren't going to miss a central midfielder when chasing the game as they bypass the midfield and hoof it to the 4 up front. Only having 10 makes very little difference when they're playing **** or bust football.

 

Just take the point and move on.

[LaptopSaint]

Gutted not to get all three, but it's a good point. And after our nightmare start to the season, I hope current form carries us to safety (best of the bottom eight). I think it will - just.

 

Form table (last 8 matches) P W D L Pts

1 Manchester Utd 8 7 1 0 22

2 Tottenham 8 6 1 1 19

3 Stoke City 8 4 4 0 16

4 Arsenal 8 4 3 1 15

5 Manchester City 8 4 2 2 14

6 Liverpool 8 4 1 3 13

7 Everton 8 3 4 1 13

8 Chelsea 8 3 3 2 12

9 Southampton 8 3 3 2 12

10 Swansea City 8 3 3 2 12

11 Norwich City 8 3 2 3 11

12 Sunderland 8 3 1 4 10

13 West Bromwich 8 3 1 4 10

14 Aston Villa 8 2 3 3 9

15 Wigan Athletic 8 2 1 5 7

16 Newcastle Utd 8 2 0 6 6

17 QP Rangers 8 1 3 4 6

18 West Ham Utd 8 1 2 5 5

19 Fulham 8 1 2 5 5

20 Reading 8 1 1 6 4

[dubai_phil]

Cracking game of football that.

Congrats to NA for setting the team up and (in only 2 days) working out a shape to negte Stoke and in fact make us look much the better team in the first half.

 

Well played to the lads who came in, Guly & Jos did a job.

 

Took a worldy to take the points of us. Well happy with getting a point at Stoke.

 

January is now upon us and I am far happier with our position and the way we are playing football and showing we can adapt our style and shape. Get the obvious additions that we need and we will have enough about us to scrape into safety by a whisker.

 

IF ONLY are the two words that will destroy anyone's life. Stop worrying about today and be scared sh1tless about having to play Arsenal next week

[supersonic]

a point at stoke is a good point, however...

 

that's 17 points we've dropped this season from winning positions, which really isn't good enough. We've improved recently, but can't keep throwing leads away (ie Today, Swansea, Norwich, Man Utd etc) or it'll come back and haunt us.

 

IMO the players aren't fit enough, both physically and mentally, as seeing as our manager is a physio and keen psychologist/philosopher, that's worrying, very worrying. As is Adkins' so-called tactical ability, wrong subs at the wrong time again cost Saints. The players are learning, and I hope Adkins is too. He's done well recently, but I'm starting to fear the PL may be a step too-far-too-soon for him.

 

Don't get me wrong, I like the bloke, and want him to succeed, but do I think he's good enough? based on what I've seen, I have my doubts.

 

Anyway, the weaknesses have been pointed out over this first half of the season. An experienced keeper is a must (if Boruc is out of favor) An Experienced CB is needed, as is an on-field leader, Lallana (however brilliant he may be) will not be a suitable captain for as long as he has a hole in his backside!

 

Anyway, on paper, a good point, we look better than a lot of teams down with us (Reading, QPR, Villa etc) and with the right signings in Jan we'll be fine.

 

Special shout out to Guly, who despite missing a good chance, played very well again.

[jawillwill]

Guly excellent.However, when they went down to ten men I KNEW the Officials wouldn't give us anything and they didn't.From where I stood there were at least ROUR genuine appeals forhand ball but the Lino our side gave us absolutely nothing.I'm not happy with one point.I said in the build-up we could win this and we almost did.