jupu Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 Easy to blame Guly and the NA tactics: I think the problem was in 1) lack of confidence to play the usual short ball (which NA tried to influence with changes) and 2) with the skill, aggressiveness and überconfidence of Stoke players. Still, must have been the best time to play against Stoke: their defense was appalling on the first half and we were gifted at least two goals. So in that respect a very good away point. Still very very gutted obviously.
Thedelldays Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 According to you every team we lose to have been poor, had players out etc. Moaning about the team selection prior to the game, going to get a tonking etc and then said team are a few mins away from a win and then that's not good enough either. You've been a proper little girl this season. oh well... you think we are great..i think we are pretty poor, in the poorest prem in a long time after spending an utter fortune for a newly promoted team...but that is for another debate
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 people keep saying we will be alright...4 points behind reading having played a distorted amount of home games.... dropping points like that puts added pressure on beating arsenal... You ve lost it mush...now making things up
Jonnyboy Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 That was a terrible second half display and shocking management by Adkins. Pass the ball ffs. Morgan was awful. So you agree Stoke were the better side?
Wade Garrett Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 Typical Saints. Crap substitutions. Feels like a defeat.
Ohio Saint Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 Being ahead in the first half deceived us. Stoke played well and could have won with ten men. Saints also played well, but not for the full 90 minutes. It was a tug-o-war with the scoreline and it ended up even. A fair result.
TheCholulaKid Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 three one up most teams would have won comfortably, would have took a point at the start though but feels like more points lost! Sorry, but that's a crock of ****. Most teams would not have won comfortably - Stoke don't make it comfortable for anyone. They are ****ing hard to beat and battered us for the entire 2nd half. Guly should've scored but it was a difficult chance to take in his defence. Absolute belter of an equaliser too. All said and done - a cracking point.
Thedelldays Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 Equally, gaining a point away at a team we were not expected to beat is a positive for us and we're still four points ahead of Reading. it is..but as the game went on....it was there for the taking and you cant throw away chances like that......you really cant...we did that many times the last time were in the prem and went down and nearly went bust..(not saying the going bust thing will happen again)
sammysaint Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 Guly had a good game which im glad as it will make gaston work harder and not try his fancy stuff all the time, however missing the open goal for me means he has to be droped to the bench for Arsenal.
RobM Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 I was watching the game..the game were we had numerous chances to score more...and an open goal...we also had the luck of them having a player sent off and the ref not giving them a blatant penalty...when days like that come, you have to take it if you want to stay up...... Then you would have seen how hard we had to defend, how many chances they had, how many goal line clearances we made and how much more possession they had. We did exceptionally well to be ahead, even with a gifted goal, so this is a very good point.
Thedelldays Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 You ve lost it mush...now making things up ahead
DrunkenSaint Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 Valuable points lost, need to spend a lot of money in jan, we need depth in our squad.
patred44 Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 This. Guly's miss arghhgghh Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2 turning point in the game..his miss seemed to deflate us, and we were 2nd to the ball afterwards... Didnt help that Wigan and Reading won..
Bensfcno1 Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 Great point, but shoulda won it after being 3-1 up and them down to 10 when 3-2. Poor ball retention and not taking chances to go 4-1 up cost us! But Adkins substitutions have to be questioned! Always too negative when we are winning and losing! i dont know what his fitness was like, but I woulda liked to see Ramirez come on last 10 minutes and just give him the ball and let Lambert do some defending! Also need a confident strong Goal keeper, think Kelvin has to look at himself for their second!
RobM Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 it is..but as the game went on....it was there for the taking and you cant throw away chances like that......you really cant...we did that many times the last time were in the prem and went down and nearly went bust..(not saying the going bust thing will happen again) As the game went on, they battered us. It was never there for the taking in the second half.
brightspark Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 What a sensational game, that is what the Premier League is all about. Stoke were absolutely sensational in that 2nd half, the sheer drive and determination that they feed off Pulis and their fans is absolutely awe inspiring. Any team would have found holding on to a two goal lead tough today. It hurts though, Guly had a strong game but that miss was horrible. J-Rod should have tucked away his effort just before, so he isn't solely to blame. If it was 4-1, I think the fight would have evaporated from Stoke's game and we would have won comfortably. The effort on display from most of the lads today was fantastic and that sort of spirit will have to continue if we are to stay up. It's going to be damn difficult. While we all feel a little deflated at the point, it is more than we expected to get AND we have to remember that we rode our luck. Stoke won't defend as bad as they did in that first half again for a while, plus Clattenburg missed a blatant penalty when Fonte handled the ball. Fonte would have also received a 2nd yellow and we'd have been looking at a defeat. Davis - 5 - Poor today, never dealt with the threat of the long throw effectively and could have saved the 2nd. Distribution was average. Yoshida - 8 - Absolutely fantastic performance, gutsy, great tackling, real stand out for me Fonte - 7 - Solid, blocked several shots/headers Hooiveld - 6 - Never looked as assured with the ball at his feet but he never f**ked up! Yay! Shaw - 6 - Struggled today but his pace and his effort made up for it often Schneiderlin - 7 - Solid, played his part Cork - 8 - Seemed to be everywhere in the middle of the park Puncheon - 7 - Sometimes he's magical, sometimes he keeps the ball a bit too long. Seemed to overhit a lot. Good effort though. Guly - 7 - Great assist for the first, worked really hard. Shame about that miss, it was awful! Rodriguez - 7 - Impressive, could have made it 4-1. Worked hard. Lambert - 8 - MOTM - Superb when he got the opportunity. 1 goal, 2 assists. Top class. Won't grade the subs, they came on too late!
Thedelldays Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 Then you would have seen how hard we had to defend, how many chances they had, how many goal line clearances we made and how much more possession they had. We did exceptionally well to be ahead, even with a gifted goal, so this is a very good point. no matter what you say..you have to defend hard in almost every away game.....usually for large parts for a team like us.. that game was there for the taking with all the luck we had..the misses, the f-ing open goal....you have to take those and win....letting 2 goal leads, or the amount of leads we have already let slip will send us down..no doubt about it...it did last time no problem
S-Clarke Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 Sorry, but that's a crock of ****. Most teams would not have won comfortably - Stoke don't make it comfortable for anyone. They are ****ing hard to beat and battered us for the entire 2nd half. Guly should've scored but it was a difficult chance to take in his defence. Absolute belter of an equaliser too. All said and done - a cracking point. This is pretty much how I see it. Frustrating, but all said a done - a good point. Not many teams get anything up there. Still, we go into January within touch of a load of teams and we can address the few problems we have. I actually don't think we're too bad at all. Apologies for saying that...!
DJ_TOAST Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 Not much been said about that Fonte handball, he was lucky not to have been sent off or given a penalty. Idiot.
S-Clarke Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 Not much been said about that Fonte handball, he was lucky not to have been sent off or given a penalty. Idiot. Totally, could have easily lost that in the 2nd half.
70's Mike Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 me i am proud to be a Saints supporter we stood up to the baby eating Stoke, who have not lost at Home for months beaten by a fluke shot, good team selection, always laugh at those who moan about the subs from behind their screens, Stoke style means that being down to 10 means nothing. Sorry i forgot we should have passed it more, like Liverpool tried(they lost 3-1) or Arsenal have tried at Stoke Easy game according to some from behind their screens. only target is to finish 4th from bottom on the last day, people need to hold their nerve
RobM Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 no matter what you say..you have to defend hard in almost every away game.....usually for large parts for a team like us.. that game was there for the taking with all the luck we had..the misses, the f-ing open goal....you have to take those and win....letting 2 goal leads, or the amount of leads we have already let slip will send us down..no doubt about it...it did last time no problem No doubt about it for you as you think we're awful (not sure why you spend so much time talking about how crap we are if you don't enjoy it, but that's another conversation). For many others there is plenty of doubt about us going down, as we have shown we have enough to compete, as today showed.
kpturner Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 I am happy with a point at Stoke, despite the circumstances.
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 no matter what you say..you have to defend hard in almost every away game.....usually for large parts for a team like us.. that game was there for the taking with all the luck we had..the misses, the f-ing open goal....you have to take those and win....letting 2 goal leads, or the amount of leads we have already let slip will send us down..no doubt about it...it did last time no problem And yet again you post it...GIVE IT A REST FFS some of us want to be positive
Thedelldays Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 only target is to finish 4th from bottom on the last day, people need to hold their nerve not for the club it isnt
Ohio Saint Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 Don't forget guys, one of our goals was an OG, and another was a gift. We did well, but we were not exactly hammering them.
LeBenali Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 I didn't see much wrong with bringing on Richardson, he's decent going forward but would offer more defensive protection than Punch/Mayuka/Ramirez. Yes Stoke only had 10 men, but they had 4 strikers on the pitch. It's something managers like Bentiez do regularly (see the number of times Ferreira has come on with a few mins left for an attacking player since he's taken over to protect a lead). Saying that, I would have taken Maya off after their 3rd for Mayuka and out Richardson at RB to offer more of a threat down the flanks. Davis worried me at crosses & set pieces aswell..... Overall disappointing not to come away with 3 points, but not as frustrating as the results we threw away against Swansea or Norwich IMO.
Saint Fan CaM Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 Given that I expected this to be a tonking, this is actually a really great point - however somehow it feels like we lost! Should NEVER give away a 3-1 lead to 10 men TBF and it just shows how fragile the squad can be. Our forward line let us down late in the game by not getting a foot on the ball and seeing out the game at 2-3 by keeping possession. Stoke are a hard team to deal with though to be fair. The sending off worked against us as they raised their game to their usual levels to chase the point and then the win. We looked drained after their 2nd went in on the other hand - not sure taking off Shaw was the right option as Fox's distribution is poor in comparison and the team seemed to see that as a signal to defend deep (per usual). PS: One thing I really don't like about Pulis and Stoke is that they've really turned into a bunch of cheating moaning minnies - every time the ball went into our box they tried calling for handball or being held etc etc. Pulis has taught them to do that because he thinks the 'big teams' do it too - prat.
Dig Dig Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 oh well... you think we are great..i think we are pretty poor, in the poorest prem in a long time after spending an utter fortune for a newly promoted team...but that is for another debate Don't think we're great but we are in a very difficult league despite your assertion that it's poor (for no reason as far as I can tell, how is it the weakest in years btw?) Just don't know what you expect, every win against a poor side according to you and every defeat and draw again against supposedly poor sides as well. We're in a relegation fight, will be all season, wins and results away are hard to come by so enjoy them when they do.
Thedelldays Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 No doubt about it for you as you think we're awful (not sure why you spend so much time talking about how crap we are if you don't enjoy it, but that's another conversation). For many others there is plenty of doubt about us going down, as we have shown we have enough to compete, as today showed. fair enough..just all this seems like deja vu.....from 2005
Saint Stimp Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 that is why we are going down IMO As a long standing member of this forum I find it hilarious that you still post this kind of drivel when you've personally had and seen plenty of others have humble pie rubbed right in their face. Have a bit of faith ffs.
Chez Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 (edited) I didn't think we capitulated in the second half, we just succumbed to a long ball onslaught against two of the best headers of a ball we have seen in a Saints shirt, maybe even the premiership. I think the biggest error was not changing our game plan. In the first half it was to hoof it and get the ball down the channels, turn them round and pick up the pieces. We continued to do this in the second half conceding possession far too cheaply. We should have looked to keep the ball. Cork and Morgan (and pretty much everyone) gave the ball away too cheaply when we had the chance to break or pass them to death. I never want to hear skate Pulis or any Stoke fan moan about people describing them as a hoof ball side. They are exactly that and very good at it too. Edited 29 December, 2012 by Chez
MAY-Z Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 He's an easy scapegoat for this one. He doesn't help himself with misses like that! Changed the game, at 4-1 it was done, dusted. But he had a fanstiac 1st half, best he's played in the PL for us - 2nd half he was poor though, ball retention sloppy and he didn't cause half as many problems. But dont forget the only reason he had the chance was because j rod shot straight at the keeper
VectisSaint Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 Bonus point, we really should not have expected anything today, shame we did not hold on to lead, but if you had asked me before the game I would have taken a point. There was at least one poster predicting 0 points from this and the following 4 games. Scoring 3 at Stoke, when they had only conceded 4 in previous 11 is fecking amazing, just a shame I have the Stoke keeper in my Sun Dream Team.
scotty Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 Not much been said about that Fonte handball, he was lucky not to have been sent off or given a penalty. Idiot. The idiot didn't get sent off though, did he. Or concede a penalty. And Stoke didn't score from that attack, did they.
westmidlandsaint Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 Was I the only one who knew when Guly missed it would end up 3-3??
dronskisaint Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 rightly so!! missed an open goal which has cost us the win .......what took you until post 96....constipation? MOTM for me
Ohio Saint Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 Was I the only one who knew when Guly missed it would end up 3-3?? Probably not......By a long way
Thedelldays Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 As a long standing member of this forum I find it hilarious that you still post this kind of drivel when you've personally had and seen plenty of others have humble pie rubbed right in their face. Have a bit of faith ffs. so what..? just an opinion..does not effect anyone or anyones life or bear impact on a result...or infact, matter what so ever...?
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 Was I the only one who knew when Guly missed it would end up 3-3?? Wow!! fantastic bit of predicting..AFTER the event...unless you actually posted it at the time..doubt it
Lord Duckhunter Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 Every single team in the league would take a point at Stoke, even your Man Utd's, Man City's and Chelsea's. People need to get a grip. Guly missed an easy one, so did Jones. Obvious peno and also very harsh sending off, great strike for the 3rd. Villa, Reading and Wigan still have to go to Stoke, all 3 will take a point. It was a point gained, end of.
thornhill_saints Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 I honestly think we should of brought on some pace in the + 7 mins added?
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 rightly so!! missed an open goal which has cost us the win And the award for the poster with the biggest agenda goes to this idiot
max_saints Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 this felt more like a loss, you just can't give away the lead with a one man advantage in a league as competitive as this. we were exceptional in the first half while stoke were very poor especially in defense but that totally reversed in the second half and I just felt players like guly faded out in the second half and should have been subbed out for ramirez who would surely have finished the massive chance that guly got to go 4-1 up. unfortunately, I still feel Davis is the weakest of the three keepers and if we're not playing gazza then at least play boruc! how many times did Davis come out for the ball from their long throw and flapped! felt that he should have saved stoke's second goal but instead let it squirm under him... and Richardson on for puncheon???? if the starting line up that NA sent out was a tactical master stroke, his substitutions undid everything. would have taken a point before the game but with how things went, one point just really isn't enough..
Supersubpuckett Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 Gutted by what a strike for their equaliser hmmmm, reminds me of another last gasp long range strike for an equalizer - we've got to stop letting players get shots in, even from that distance
CityRanger Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 But dont forget the only reason he had the chance was because j rod shot straight at the keeper That was a chance for Rodriguez to show he is a Premier League striker. He didn't take it unfortunately. Fortunately for him the ball fell to Guly immediately afterwards and he missed. So all the num nuts and JCLs can rant down the pub and talk b0lloks as usual.
Ohio Saint Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 Every single team in the league would take a point at Stoke, even your Man Utd's, Man City's and Chelsea's. People need to get a grip. Guly missed an easy one, so did Jones. Obvious peno and also very harsh sending off, great strike for the 3rd. Villa, Reading and Wigan still have to go to Stoke, all 3 will take a point. It was a point gained, end of. That sums it up for me. It hurts to lose a lead, but that is the nature of footy!!
Sheaf Saint Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 Was I the only one who knew when Guly missed it would end up 3-3?? No, not by a long shot.
Winchester Red Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 fair enough..just all this seems like deja vu.....from 2005 I'm hoping for the deja vu from the 10 seasons before that!
Stepgar Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 But dont forget the only reason he had the chance was because j rod shot straight at the keeper Keeper actually made a good stop with his feet.
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