Barry Sanchez Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 If this Country now contains so many people with no belief in God and they think they need to know with assurances then why do they always have positive feelings about their team? They have no more assurances or knowledge than they do of God, in fact probably less so as the bible is there for them to read, the church for them to enter and practice their "faith", thats the key word for me as if you question the Lord that fine but questioning the possible future of our team in this League with 5 months to go is seen as a disgracful act of treachery. Placing our faith in the hands of mercenaries over the bible seems a tad far fatched and extreme if you ask me.
PhilippineSaint Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 I take it your supplier has been or the pub has a 24 hours opening because that OP does not make one bit of sense.
Colinjb Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 Organised religion, a tool used for population control, oppression and something that has many atrocities committed in it's name based on scripture from before living memory that has been constantly revised and adapted depending on what the current climate dictates. Something that can provide hope from faith but something that can also inspire utter horror. Football. A sport, that while full of politics involves the eleven men out on the pitch representing a community, identity, area that you identify with. It's something that is constantly evolving in front of your eyes, something that you can see. You will never in your lifetime see someone see a guy turning water into wine with no other tool then divinity, yet you will see flashes of utter genius that can change the mood, provide hope and joy of many people I know what I would rather put my 'faith' in.
Barry Sanchez Posted 29 December, 2012 Author Posted 29 December, 2012 But its still faith and there are no guarantees are there? Why is one applauded on here ie positivity/blind faith in Southampton and the other questioned? Seems biased and unfair to me.
Toadhall Saint Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 More regular pot smokers in this country than regular church goers. Says it all really.
Barry Sanchez Posted 29 December, 2012 Author Posted 29 December, 2012 Organised religion, a tool used for population control, oppression and something that has many atrocities committed in it's name based on scripture from before living memory that has been constantly revised and adapted depending on what the current climate dictates. Something that can provide hope from faith but something that can also inspire utter horror. Football. A sport, that while full of politics involves the eleven men out on the pitch representing a community, identity, area that you identify with. It's something that is constantly evolving in front of your eyes, something that you can see. You will never in your lifetime see someone see a guy turning water into wine with no other tool then divinity, yet you will see flashes of utter genius that can change the mood, provide hope and joy of many people I know what I would rather put my 'faith' in. Sport ie football you mean thats represents your local identity, culture, community and City? What days are we harking back to?
Barry Sanchez Posted 29 December, 2012 Author Posted 29 December, 2012 More regular pot smokers in this country than regular church goers. Says it all really. It does say a lot really.
Colinjb Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 (edited) Sport ie football you mean thats represents your local identity, culture, community and City? What days are we harking back to? Then why else support a football club? If it was all about love for the sport or a desire to win then everyone would just support one of the champions league qualifiers, that's the only way you could actively be involved with the best standard. Alternatively just do away with following a single club and be neutral, missing out on the highs and lows that being partisan can bring. I identify with Southampton as my friends follow them, I spent my teenage years in Hampshire (Winchester) and enjoy the experience of attending the matches in the part of the country that I feel is home. I'm not referring to harking back to anything, it's something more fundamental. Edited 29 December, 2012 by Colinjb
Barry Sanchez Posted 29 December, 2012 Author Posted 29 December, 2012 I have also lived away for years but your identity is not only with a football club but the City as well, what about the people who dont like football? Would they have a less of an identity? You support the club not the players, they are not identity anymore are they? Thats what I was refering to, that is why when there is a local player or a players who stays for a long period of time they "become" one of us, rarer and rarer nowadays and a great shame and football is a far worse game than it used to be but we digress. Why should you put "faith" in something you have no power over and believe it will be ok when the %'s are saying different and yet people mock and question God? People are still putting faith in something.
Saint in Paradise Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 Losing faith? Belgium to charge Church of Scientology with fraud and extortion. http://rt.com/news/scientology-criminal-charges-belgium-043/
Barry Sanchez Posted 29 December, 2012 Author Posted 29 December, 2012 Sorry I dont have a clue to what this has to do with faith and belief?
Essruu Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 The 'faith' in your football team is 'loyalty or allegiance to that team'. It is a different definition to a religious person's faith of 'a strong belief in a supernatural power'. Stop being a ****.
Colinjb Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 The 'faith' in your football team is 'loyalty or allegiance to that team'. It is a different definition to a religious person's faith of 'a strong belief in a supernatural power'. Stop being a ****. For once, I agree with Essruu! Would they have a less of an identity? No, but they no doubt express themselves in different ways.
Barry Sanchez Posted 29 December, 2012 Author Posted 29 December, 2012 The 'faith' in your football team is 'loyalty or allegiance to that team'. It is a different definition to a religious person's faith of 'a strong belief in a supernatural power'. Stop being a ****. No its not, why are people so biased in predicting a scoreline? Why do people say have faith in Nigel Adkins, the team? Why? Whats the difference, its still belief without proof, its still faith. Dont people have allegiances to their faith? Of course they do, an example is the acceptance of gays into Christian hotels or not. The definition is no different, how many times before the end of the season will I hear "have faith" believe" when there are absolutely no grounds for thats stance at all.
Barry Sanchez Posted 29 December, 2012 Author Posted 29 December, 2012 For once, I agree with Essruu! No, but they no doubt express themselves in different ways. Go on, an example.
Colinjb Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 Go on, an example. I said express, not have faith. See Essruu's point. Not everyone needs religious faith and belief to feel whole/complete as an individual. If you do, more power to you but in the same way you would want others to appreciate your religious conviction, please do not look down on others who do not need or identify with it.
PhilippineSaint Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 As a certain Liverpool manager said football is more important than life or death. Which I can take to mean is more important than a supreme being who controls your destiny so Barry just accept it most football supporters are not inclined to believe in the deity (of your Choice) and believe that their team is more likely to win than the second coming happening (unless your on one of Bearsy's threads) then they happen all the time.
Barry Sanchez Posted 29 December, 2012 Author Posted 29 December, 2012 How did Southampton football club come about? Who says I believe? I merely am pointing out the similarities and there are some, blind faith and hope.
pap Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 The OP has gotten faith and hope mixed up. I hope that Saints do well, but I have no faith that we'll do it and judging by the "what ifs" that people constantly play on the main board, people are not basing their predictions on blind faith. Past performance, level of form, the players that may be missing from either team - all garnished with a dressing of "anything can happen on the day". Religious terminology creeps into most areas of life over the centuries. Footy is no exception. "Temples" of football, "hand of God", "keep the faith" or supporters being known as the Southampton faithful, etc. The same term is being used, but it doesn't mean the same thing in footy as it does in religion. It doesn't even mean the same thing in marriage as it does with religion. This is the second real problem with the OP, equating football's concept of faith to the religious. Using that sort of logic, we could construct all sorts of brilliant accusations of hypocrisy. "Ah, so you like cakes..." "I love them" "Eat this mud cake" "But mud cakes are diff.." "HYPOCRITE!!" That about where this is going, Bazza?
the stain Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 This is a very thoughtful and intellectual discussion. Not the sort of thing Dune would do at all.
Essruu Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 No its not, why are people so biased in predicting a scoreline? Why do people say have faith in Nigel Adkins, the team? Why? Whats the difference, its still belief without proof, its still faith. Dont people have allegiances to their faith? Of course they do, an example is the acceptance of gays into Christian hotels or not. The definition is no different, how many times before the end of the season will I hear "have faith" believe" when there are absolutely no grounds for thats stance at all. Of course it is. Are you deliberately being obtuse? (That's dense/dim/stupid, not an acute angle) There are four definitions for you. You're trying to pretend definition 4 does not exist and make people think they are religious nutters.
the stain Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 It's not deliberate, he's really is just that stupid.
Barry Sanchez Posted 29 December, 2012 Author Posted 29 December, 2012 Of course it is. Are you deliberately being obtuse? (That's dense/dim/stupid, not an acute angle) There are four definitions for you. You're trying to pretend definition 4 does not exist and make people think they are religious nutters. No I am not, keeping the faith when the team goes 1-0 down define that? Keeping the faith with the team? Or what exactly?
Barry Sanchez Posted 29 December, 2012 Author Posted 29 December, 2012 It's not deliberate, he's really is just that stupid.So its gone from a thought insightful thread into me being stupid, cool you appear to be a bellend.
pap Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 So its gone from a thought insightful thread into me being stupid, cool you appear to be a bellend. Excellent. A bellend enthusiast. How many have you seen, and what's your interest? Polishing or ringing?
Barry Sanchez Posted 29 December, 2012 Author Posted 29 December, 2012 Right off to fork the garden, I have belief and and blind faith the fork wont snap nor bend and I am loyal to its cause right to the bitter end and yet this is and has and I have no religeous intentions at all.................................
Wes Tender Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 If this Country now contains so many people with no belief in God and they think they need to know with assurances then why do they always have positive feelings about their team? They have no more assurances or knowledge than they do of God, in fact probably less so as the bible is there for them to read, the church for them to enter and practice their "faith", thats the key word for me as if you question the Lord that fine but questioning the possible future of our team in this League with 5 months to go is seen as a disgracful act of treachery. Placing our faith in the hands of mercenaries over the bible seems a tad far fatched and extreme if you ask me. A typically rambling demonstration of the thought processes of our Barry. There are two ends of a stick and as usual, he unerringly grasps the wrong one. Sensible people might have misgivings about how the second half of the season might shape up, but they have enough sense of balance to reason that just because the first half of the season might have been difficult, there is plenty of time for action to be taken to turn things around. They also reason that there are only three relegation spots and that there is also potential with a run of bad luck and injuries/suspensions to key players in other teams for them to be sucked into the relegation spots. The transfer window is shortly to open and the squad can be strengthened to improve our chances. Believing that we are doomed at this stage is not seen as an act of treachery; it is a position that reflects poorly on the ability of some to apply intelligent thought and reason to a situation over which they have little inside knowledge. Quite what the connection is here between one's support for one's club and any supposed religious leanings is so tenuous as to be beyond my comprehension, I'm afraid.
Bearsy Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 Quite what the connection is here between one's support for one's club and any supposed religious leanings is so tenuous as to be beyond my comprehension, I'm afraid. The papal crusaders were the football hooligans of their day innit. Ain't liking Jesus over Allah the same as liking Saints over Pompey?
Stubby Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 It seems that, generally, people who have a faith in God see a connection with having faith in other things, people who do not have a faith in God do not see such a connection, and neither group understands the other very well. No surprise.
PhilippineSaint Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 It seems that, generally, people who have a faith in God see a connection with having faith in other things, people who do not have a faith in God do not see such a connection, and neither group understands the other very well. No surprise. How does that work then I have faith in Saints ability to stay up but don't have any faith in the priests to present me an afterlife where I will served by hand maidens with the finest wines and Delicacies for ever after.
scotty Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 a certain Liverpool manager said football is more important than life or death. Yes, and look where he is now....
niceandfriendly Posted 29 December, 2012 Posted 29 December, 2012 More regular pot smokers in this country than regular church goers. Says it all really. magnificent stat if it is indeed true. and not something to be too surprised about really, more and more people realising religion explains nothing, and more and more people realising the truth behind the lies about weed and enjoying its benefits. and this trend will only continue to improve in the future.
Barry Sanchez Posted 29 December, 2012 Author Posted 29 December, 2012 Is sport not a civil religion with followers? How did religion become involved in sport? Celtic football club, and Southampton?
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now