Lazlo78 Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 Maybe time for a more general thread about our transfer dealings and then leave this one for stuff about Astori? I'll take that as a no and find Astori news elsewhere. Enjoy the discussion...
Saint Charlie Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 I'll take that as a no and find Astori news elsewhere. Enjoy the discussion... There is no news as yet, but agree the discussion has tailed off into a general transfer chat thats is probably best elsewhere or not at all. Mind you, we probably won't sign Astori anyway, will end up buying another striker because we don't put enough time or effort into transfer dealings.
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 There is no news as yet, but agree the discussion has tailed off into a general transfer chat thats is probably best elsewhere or not at all. Mind you, we probably won't sign Astori anyway, will end up buying another striker because we don't put enough time or effort into transfer dealings. All transfers would be done in a couple of days if the evil committee kept their noses out, or if we had some money. All our signings last summer were rubbish. Yoshi & Clyne have failed to impress, at all, ever. Davis is awful back up. Gaston offers nothing. Billy Sharp is better than Mayuka & Rodriguez combined.
Turkish Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 Ha, standard I haven't got a response so will resort to aggression. Decent. keep up.
Dig Dig Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 I'll take that as a no and find Astori news elsewhere. Enjoy the discussion... What would you be doing instead? Sat watching the thread, constantly hitting refresh hoping that someone would post something about Astori? When more news about Astori breaks, someone will post it and then people will discuss it.
Sour Mash Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 All transfers would be done in a couple of days if the evil committee kept their noses out, or if we had some money. All our signings last summer were rubbish. Yoshi & Clyne have failed to impress, at all, ever. Davis is awful back up. Gaston offers nothing. Billy Sharp is better than Mayuka & Rodriguez combined. No-one has said any of that have they?
Turkish Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 I'll take that as a no and find Astori news elsewhere. Enjoy the discussion... If you just want news then try these. http://www.skysports.co.uk http://www.bbc.co.uk/football http://www.saintsfc.co.uk If you want discussion, really crap banter because most cant keep up and people talking bol*ocks, then this is the mongboard for you.
tajjuk Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 Shut up Matthew. A.K.A no I don't and I have been found out We went through all this during the window. There are points for either side but really no one knows enough. - We don't know who we approached for. - We don't know who were the club's primary targets. - We don't know why any deals fell through, if they did. - We don't know what funds the club has, how much one deal effected other finances and whether this stopped or restricted bids for other targets.
Turkish Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 A.K.A no I don't and I have been found out We went through all this during the window. There are points for either side but really no one knows enough. - We don't know who we approached for. - We don't know who were the club's primary targets. - We don't know why any deals fell through, if they did. - We don't know what funds the club has, how much one deal effected other finances and whether this stopped or restricted bids for other targets. Jesus Christ. I was quite obviously taking the p*ss. FFS.
Dig Dig Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 Jesus Christ. I was quite obviously taking the p*ss. FFS. Stop mucking about and discuss Astori sensibly please. FFS.
trousers Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 When we bought Gaston, I was in the car and the only comment from the radio station I was listening to (5 Live I think) was to take the p i s s because he was born in Fray Bentos. Which reminds me, I've got Gaston to thank for me getting a trivia question right over Christmas...."In which American country is the town that meat pie company Fray Bentos is named after?". Get in!
Turkish Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 Stop mucking about and discuss Astori sensibly please. FFS. What we need are the mods to come along and delete all the posts that aren't absolutely and 100% about the opening post. It this lazy moderating which is ruining this forum!
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 No-one has said any of that have they? No of course not. But it's often said our transfer window in the summer was poor. Which I personally don't think it was. I think we strengthened the squad with good players, the majority of which have potential to improve and hopefully offer a strong resale value. The same can't be said of many of our competitors transfer dealings.
Turkish Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 (edited) Which reminds me, I've got Gaston to thank for me getting a trivia question right over Christmas...."In which American country is the town that meat pie company Fray Bentos is named after?". Get in! I always thought Fray Bentos was a small, tubby mostachioed hispanic/American chap that was born in illinois in 1874 and set up the Fray Bentos pie company. Edited 3 January, 2013 by Turkish
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 No of course not. But it's often said our transfer window in the summer was poor. Which I personally don't think it was. I think we strengthened the squad with good players, the majority of which have potential to improve and hopefully offer a strong resale value. The same can't be said of many of our competitors transfer dealings. In addition to this, I should add I don't think the strengthening of the squad is complete. Some additions this month would be most welcome. As I have said elsewhere, I do believe that this squad is only going to get stronger, due to the average age and as the squad gains more premiership experience as a group - which would happen with or without additions. The squad is still pretty thin though, so some additional quality wouldn't go amiss. I do believe any additions should be better than what we have already, or at least offer a serious challenge to the incumbent of their position.
trousers Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 I always thought Fray Bentos was a small, tubby mostachioed hispanic/American chap that was born in illinois in 1874 and set up the Fray Bentos pie company. I was ever so slightly tipsy so my paraphrasing of the question might have been slightly awry. Who or what was Fray Bentos the pie man named after?
Turkish Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 In addition to this, I should add I don't think the strengthening of the squad is complete. Some additions this month would be most welcome. As I have said elsewhere, I do believe that this squad is only going to get stronger, due to the average age and as the squad gains more premiership experience as a group - which would happen with or without additions. The squad is still pretty thin though, so some additional quality wouldn't go amiss. I do believe any additions should be better than what we have already, or at least offer a serious challenge to the incumbent of their position. A strengthening of a squad is never complete.
Turkish Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 I was ever so slightly tipsy so my paraphrasing of the question might have been slightly awry. Who or what was Fray Bentos the pie man named after? Fray Bentos sounds better than the Montevideo Pie Company i guess.
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 A strengthening of a squad is never complete. Totally agree. Standing still is moving backwards.
Restark19 Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 Totally agree. Standing still is moving backwards. Newcastle would be a perfect example of this
Crazy Diamond Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 Totally agree. Standing still is moving backwards. We between 2003 and 2004 would be a good example. In the summer 04 window we signed rubbish with the exception of Crouch, and even then people thought he wasn't much cop. Everyone else strengthened, a contributing factor to our relegation.
Smirking_Saint Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 We between 2003 and 2004 would be a good example. In the summer 04 window we signed rubbish with the exception of Crouch, and even then people thought he wasn't much cop. Everyone else strengthened, a contributing factor to our relegation. And a major reason why Strachan Foxtrotted oscar But then Lowe wasnt the easiest man to work with
Thedelldays Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 And a major reason why Strachan Foxtrotted oscar But then Lowe wasnt the easiest man to work with its so annoying when you look back... lowe had the biggest opportunity to do something with a club our size that was not really done in the prem around then...we really could have pushed on and be something like everton are now....maybe even spurs (pushing it I guess) we had the core of a bloody good team which just need 2-3 quality additions to cement a top 8+ spot for us...it was right there
lloydie Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 How is this thread meant to rival its ramirez related counterpart (post count wise) if we only talk about the player himself? Come on you jizz dribbling mongtards keep it together, we need at least 10 more pages of aimless crap between now and monday please.
lloydie Posted 3 January, 2013 Posted 3 January, 2013 And a major reason why Strachan Foxtrotted oscar But then Lowe wasnt the easiest man to work with Oscar?! Que?!
jayrivers Posted 4 January, 2013 Posted 4 January, 2013 So to get this back on topic. His agent has said Saints are one of the clubs interested. Nothing new but always promising when things are reported by sky and/or bbc? http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11700/8379961/Southampton-are-one-of-the-clubs-wanting-Davide-Astori-his-agent-has-confirmed
Saint Charlie Posted 4 January, 2013 Posted 4 January, 2013 So to get this back on topic. His agent has said Saints are one of the clubs interested. Nothing new but always promising when things are reported by sky and/or bbc? http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11700/8379961/Southampton-are-one-of-the-clubs-wanting-Davide-Astori-his-agent-has-confirmed Sounds like there is definitely a deal to be done, and seems like the Finance won't be an issue. More a case of persuading him to come here rather than join another Italian club. Over to the Don...
Dig Dig Posted 4 January, 2013 Posted 4 January, 2013 So to get this back on topic. His agent has said Saints are one of the clubs interested. Nothing new but always promising when things are reported by sky and/or bbc? http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11700/8379961/Southampton-are-one-of-the-clubs-wanting-Davide-Astori-his-agent-has-confirmed Yes, encouraging to hear our interest confirmed from the players side but I think we already knew that the interest was solid. It seems to be a message which encourages a bid in Jan. Seems he wants out this transfer window rather than wait for the summer.
Window Cleaner Posted 4 January, 2013 Posted 4 January, 2013 Oscar?! Que?! foxtrot oscar... think ,about it. Alpha,Bravo,Charlie etc.
Saint Garrett Posted 4 January, 2013 Posted 4 January, 2013 Sounds like he'll be going somewhere this January then, just a matter of persuading that to be Southampton.
Crazy Diamond Posted 4 January, 2013 Posted 4 January, 2013 So to get this back on topic. His agent has said Saints are one of the clubs interested. Nothing new but always promising when things are reported by sky and/or bbc? http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11700/8379961/Southampton-are-one-of-the-clubs-wanting-Davide-Astori-his-agent-has-confirmed I doubt his agent would come out and say we're the only ones interested. I don't think that's particularly newsworthy.
tajjuk Posted 4 January, 2013 Posted 4 January, 2013 So to get this back on topic. His agent has said Saints are one of the clubs interested. Nothing new but always promising when things are reported by sky and/or bbc? http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11700/8379961/Southampton-are-one-of-the-clubs-wanting-Davide-Astori-his-agent-has-confirmed I kind of read that as, Saints have made a bid and he'll go there if there are no other options but would prefer a bigger club. Kind of a plea to get Napoli and Juve to bid form his agent.
Graffito Posted 4 January, 2013 Posted 4 January, 2013 I doubt his agent would come out and say we're the only ones interested. I don't think that's particularly newsworthy. The agent's touting for a better offer. Perhaps he's waiting for QPR to come in because the player would prefer to live in Shephards Bush.
Dig Dig Posted 4 January, 2013 Posted 4 January, 2013 I kind of read that as, Saints have made a bid and he'll go there if there are no other options but would prefer a bigger club. Kind of a plea to get Napoli and Juve to bid form his agent. Similar to the Ramirez deal.
Crazy Diamond Posted 4 January, 2013 Posted 4 January, 2013 The agent's touting for a better offer. Perhaps he's waiting for QPR to come in because the player would prefer to live in Shephards Bush. Exactly, or to get the best possible personal terms. 'All these clubs want him, you better make him an offer you can't refuse.'
Window Cleaner Posted 4 January, 2013 Posted 4 January, 2013 Exactly, or to get the best possible personal terms. 'All these clubs want him, you better make him an offer you can't refuse.' Just as soon we didn't bother myself, there must be someone else available. Out of interest who was the last Italian CB to impress in the PL?
Crazy Diamond Posted 4 January, 2013 Posted 4 January, 2013 Exactly, or to get the best possible personal terms. 'All these clubs want him, you better make him an offer you can't refuse.' *he
Crab Lungs Posted 4 January, 2013 Posted 4 January, 2013 Just as soon we didn't bother myself, there must be someone else available. Out of interest who was the last Italian CB to impress in the PL? Off the top of my had, Materazzi? Though I don't think he could be classed as a "success"... he was OK, massive hothead if IIRC.
Window Cleaner Posted 4 January, 2013 Posted 4 January, 2013 Off the top of my had, Materazzi? Though I don't think he could be classed as a "success"... he was OK, massive hothead if IIRC. One season at Everton then. Got Zidane sent off by insulting his Mum or sister or something in the WC final 2006. Which is what I was kind of trying to say, few Italians are present in UK football and a few that have been here have been resounding failures like Aquilaini. As we might need someone anyday if Fonte or Yoshida get a knock or supension there's no real time to adapt we should seriously think about paying 10 million for an Italian defender in January.
Saint Charlie Posted 4 January, 2013 Posted 4 January, 2013 One season at Everton then. Got Zidane sent off by insulting his Mum or sister or something in the WC final 2006. Which is what I was kind of trying to say, few Italians are present in UK football and a few that have been here have been resounding failures like Aquilaini. As we might need someone anyday if Fonte or Yoshida get a knock or supension there's no real time to adapt we should seriously think about paying 10 million for an Italian defender in January. Aquiliani was too lightweight and a bizarre choice but as very Italians have played in the Prem its not like there are stacks of failures. There are the obvious big successes like Zola and Di Canio and some that havent done as well like Dossena, but I would think a decent player like Astori should be able to adapt pretty quickly if he is able to be signed. Historically lots of the Italians have stayed in Italy because they have several big teams. Im sure if the likes of Pirlo, Maldini, Di Natale, Del Piero had moved to the Prem at their peak they would have been every bit as good. Good players adapt.
hypochondriac Posted 4 January, 2013 Posted 4 January, 2013 How many Japanese players centre backs have been a hit in the Prem? Same principle.
Frank's cousin Posted 4 January, 2013 Posted 4 January, 2013 its so annoying when you look back... lowe had the biggest opportunity to do something with a club our size that was not really done in the prem around then...we really could have pushed on and be something like everton are now....maybe even spurs (pushing it I guess) we had the core of a bloody good team which just need 2-3 quality additions to cement a top 8+ spot for us...it was right there Yep really easy and incredibly stupid we did not borrow an additional 20 mil on top of the existing 30 mil SMS loan to improve our status with money we did not have.... just think we could have kept doing it year on year, and maybe won a cup final as well.... classic misinformed fan nonsense, that not spending money you dont have is simply a lack of ambition - you are starting to sound like a skate
tajjuk Posted 4 January, 2013 Posted 4 January, 2013 Yep really easy and incredibly stupid we did not borrow an additional 20 mil on top of the existing 30 mil SMS loan to improve our status with money we did not have.... just think we could have kept doing it year on year, and maybe won a cup final as well.... classic misinformed fan nonsense, that not spending money you dont have is simply a lack of ambition - you are starting to sound like a skate Er our net spend in the last 10 years of the premiership was around £10 million, I know there are wages and stuff but we got a lot of TV money in 10 years. Also Lowe's non-spending plan really worked well in the end didn't it, I mean we didn't get relegated and then go into admin at all.
Window Cleaner Posted 4 January, 2013 Posted 4 January, 2013 How many Japanese players centre backs have been a hit in the Prem? Same principle. not really, I'd say the same about a Japanese CB arriving directly from Japan. I might even cite T Lee, not that he's a CB though.
jayrivers Posted 4 January, 2013 Posted 4 January, 2013 I think until now there hasn't been a reason for Italians to leave Italy. But as there is no money then it's an easier decision to make? You could argue the same, why havn't many English players moved abroad. Because there is money in the Prem and it's where they want to play.
tajjuk Posted 4 January, 2013 Posted 4 January, 2013 Just as soon we didn't bother myself, there must be someone else available. Out of interest who was the last Italian CB to impress in the PL? For me he's a centre-back who has managed to play well enough to get caps for a very good national team despite playing for an unfashionable club, and still at an age where he is a good few years away from his peak as a defender. Someone here mentioned him as the Italian Gary Cahill, or maybe the Italian Ryan Shawcross? He's seems way better than any other centre back target we have been linked with IMO.
Window Cleaner Posted 4 January, 2013 Posted 4 January, 2013 I think until now there hasn't been a reason for Italians to leave Italy. But as there is no money then it's an easier decision to make? You could argue the same, why havn't many English players moved abroad. Because there is money in the Prem and it's where they want to play. English players are too expensive for most European sides. Except a few who go to Turkey, they're usually back after 6 months though.
Frank's cousin Posted 4 January, 2013 Posted 4 January, 2013 Er our net spend in the last 10 years of the premiership was around £10 million, I know there are wages and stuff but we got a lot of TV money in 10 years. Also Lowe's non-spending plan really worked well in the end didn't it, I mean we didn't get relegated and then go into admin at all. ....it has nothing to do with 'net spend'. It has everything to do with living within appropriate means - something we did, we broke even through a sensible wage and transfer policy. We DID NOT have other sources of additional cash and were not prepared to borrow more... sensible polocy that most now see as the RIGHT way to run a club. ...HOW we spent the money we did and who on is another matter for which those in charge are accountable for their mistakes, but you can not fault a policy that should be the the enforced financial model that all clubs adhere to. Right now, my question to Mr Cortese is where this cash is coming from and how is the club in a position to consider spending another 10 mil or so (if these rumours are true) - and what provsion is in place for ensuring we can cope with existing liabilities should we be relegated - I an reasonably confident that we DO have an appropriate contingency for relegation, simply by doing the PP maths, but it would be nice to know for sure.
jayrivers Posted 4 January, 2013 Posted 4 January, 2013 English players are too expensive for most European sides. Except a few who go to Turkey, they're usually back after 6 months though. That's kind of my point. If all the money dropped out of EPL then I think you would see a max exidous to Europe. The same way a lot of Italian Teams are trying to offload players at the moment?
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