itchen_dan Posted 30 December, 2012 Posted 30 December, 2012 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/southampton-transfer-news-double-bid-1511998
egg Posted 30 December, 2012 Posted 30 December, 2012 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/southampton-transfer-news-double-bid-1511998 Interesting. Nixon has a good record with us. Would be superb to get them both.
Turkish Posted 30 December, 2012 Posted 30 December, 2012 Interesting. Nixon has a good record with us. Would be superb to get them both. I'm far from convinced Butland is the answer, Astoria sounds like he'd be an excellent signing though.
Lokky_saint Posted 30 December, 2012 Posted 30 December, 2012 Would be a great signing, hearing there's big interest from a few Italian giants though... Can't argue with him looking decent though, lets hope Cortese gives him the Ramirez treatment On the topic of Italian CBs, seeing a few rumours about Bocchetti being unsettled at Rubin Kazan - could be a cheaper option?
Professor Posted 30 December, 2012 Posted 30 December, 2012 I'm quite happy with our current CB partnership. He'd have to be really first class to make it worthwhile breaking up our current pairing. This is the central pairing that has just conceded 3 goals at Stoke. Not exactly top of the Prem stuff. Here's a idea. If we really want the manager to manage the team and make it a big success, then why don't we ask him who he wants for a change, rather than getting yet another player in from the Italian game who our Chairman happens to have heard of/fancy? This is still only speculation but it does seem possible that the Chairman has consulted the manager over potential signings in January.
MOSaint Posted 30 December, 2012 Posted 30 December, 2012 Don't know chucking another young goalkeeper into the firing line is the answer and Butland has some howlers to his name already this season. Much rather we get Robinson, or a similarly experienced GK instead. Astori would be very good, starting to break into the national team & at 25 he still has his best years ahead while also having a number of years experience in a top level league.
egg Posted 30 December, 2012 Posted 30 December, 2012 I'm far from convinced Butland is the answer, Astoria sounds like he'd be an excellent signing though. I'm in two minds on Butland tbh but I can't think of an alternative. Friedel and Robinson would be stop gaps. Boruc should have been the answer but for whatever reason hasn't worked out. Gazza will be a top keeper but ain't ready yet. I think Butland could be the present and the future.
Turkish Posted 30 December, 2012 Posted 30 December, 2012 I'm in two minds on Butland tbh but I can't think of an alternative. Friedel and Robinson would be stop gaps. Boruc should have been the answer but for whatever reason hasn't worked out. Gazza will be a top keeper but ain't ready yet. I think Butland could be the present and the future. I'd say Robinson is ideal. Experienced, proven keeper, good for a couple of years for Gazzaniga to learn from and be back up too. Then he can be brought through when he's reedy, not thrown in at the deep end like he has been, we'd just be doing the same with Butland.
egg Posted 31 December, 2012 Posted 31 December, 2012 I'd say Robinson is ideal. Experienced, proven keeper, good for a couple of years for Gazzaniga to learn from and be back up too. Then he can be brought through when he's reedy, not thrown in at the deep end like he has been, we'd just be doing the same with Butland. He's badly overweight though and just seems to have fallen away. At his peak he was amazing, but so was Boruc but look at him now. I'd be happy with a stopgap for this season only but I'm not sure Robinson is the man. Where's Kuzscak these days?
Professor Posted 31 December, 2012 Posted 31 December, 2012 I'm in two minds on Butland tbh but I can't think of an alternative. Friedel and Robinson would be stop gaps. Boruc should have been the answer but for whatever reason hasn't worked out. Gazza will be a top keeper but ain't ready yet. I think Butland could be the present and the future. Adkins probably felt Boruc should be the answer for the time being, given his pedigree, but there had to a reason why he was without a club and it seems we may have discovered that he's not the keeper he was. We really can't afford the mistakes being made by whichever of our three is played, so someone more reliable is crucial to help save the season. Bottom 3 and a gap opening up between the bottom 4 and the rest is very unhealthy and with the game in hand being at Stamford Bridge, that's no comfort.
S-Clarke Posted 31 December, 2012 Posted 31 December, 2012 He's badly overweight though and just seems to have fallen away. At his peak he was amazing, but so was Boruc but look at him now. I'd be happy with a stopgap for this season only but I'm not sure Robinson is the man. Where's Kuzscak these days? Jeez, Kuzscak. The definition of trash, which is why he's now playing for Brighton.
egg Posted 31 December, 2012 Posted 31 December, 2012 Adkins probably felt Boruc should be the answer for the time being, given his pedigree, but there had to a reason why he was without a club and it seems we may have discovered that he's not the keeper he was. We really can't afford the mistakes being made by whichever of our three is played, so someone more reliable is crucial to help save the season. Bottom 3 and a gap opening up between the bottom 4 and the rest is very unhealthy and with the game in hand being at Stamford Bridge, that's no comfort. So is Butland the answer Prof, if not who do you suggest?,
egg Posted 31 December, 2012 Posted 31 December, 2012 Jeez, Kuzscak. The definition of trash, which is why he's now playing for Brighton. Is he there? Hadn't realised. Seriously though, the keeper options are limited. It seems to be a straight choice between has beens, kids and what we have.
S-Clarke Posted 31 December, 2012 Posted 31 December, 2012 Is he there? Hadn't realised. Seriously though, the keeper options are limited. It seems to be a straight choice between has beens, kids and what we have. A player I haven't seen mentioned, and is suprisingly avaliable, is maarten stekelenburg. Fulham want him, so why don't we go for him? Will cost similar to what we'd pay for Butland. I guess it's a toss up between a 30 year old, or £5m for a young player whose value will only rise. I like Butland alot, I think he's going to be as good as Joe Hart - easily, but he's not quite there yet.
egg Posted 31 December, 2012 Posted 31 December, 2012 A player I haven't seen mentioned, and is suprisingly avaliable, is maarten stekelenburg. Fulham want him, so why don't we go for him? Will cost similar to what we'd pay for Butland. I guess it's a toss up between a 30 year old, or £5m for a young player whose value will only rise. I like Butland alot, I think he's going to be as good as Joe Hart - easily, but he's not quite there yet. Why do you say he's available? If so, that's the balance needed. Neither a nipper nor a has been.
Saints boy in Leeds Posted 31 December, 2012 Posted 31 December, 2012 I'm in two minds on Butland tbh but I can't think of an alternative. Friedel and Robinson would be stop gaps. Boruc should have been the answer but for whatever reason hasn't worked out. Gazza will be a top keeper but ain't ready yet. I think Butland could be the present and the future. Would Butland even come to us over other clubs though ?
LatvianTolix Posted 31 December, 2012 Posted 31 December, 2012 Would be a great signing, hearing there's big interest from a few Italian giants though... Can't argue with him looking decent though, lets hope Cortese gives him the Ramirez treatment On the topic of Italian CBs, seeing a few rumours about Bocchetti being unsettled at Rubin Kazan - could be a cheaper option? I watch Russian league week in week out. He is not up for the PL level, mate. He is average. maybe good for Championship level, not for the PL.
Colinjb Posted 31 December, 2012 Posted 31 December, 2012 Davide Astori's international career. 2 appearances. Both a year and a half or so ago in 2011. Was sent off on his full debut against Ukraine (Italian win) for two yellow cards. All this despite playing for Cagliari. A team that historically has been no great shakes, would be no surprise for relegation and has nothing expected of them. A "Bolton Wanderer." It would be damn exciting to get him. His emergence on the italian national scene could draw some parallels with Gary Cahill's at the Trotters. As for Butland..... still not sure.
Saints foreva Posted 31 December, 2012 Posted 31 December, 2012 Really don't think Butland is the answer to our goalkeeping situation. He's made some right howlers for Birmingham this season as well...
S-Clarke Posted 31 December, 2012 Posted 31 December, 2012 Why do you say he's available? If so, that's the balance needed. Neither a nipper nor a has been. Not playing for Roma, wants to play games, other clubs interested inc. Fulham
MOSaint Posted 31 December, 2012 Posted 31 December, 2012 Davide Astori's international career. 2 appearances. Both a year and a half or so ago in 2011. Was sent off on his full debut against Ukraine (Italian win) for two yellow cards. All this despite playing for Cagliari. A team that historically has been no great shakes, would be no surprise for relegation and has nothing expected of them. A "Bolton Wanderer." He also played the full 90 against England in the friendly they had at the start of this season.
Colinjb Posted 31 December, 2012 Posted 31 December, 2012 He also played the full 90 against England in the friendly they had at the start of this season. Quite right. Thank you. Mainly a reserve side from either nation..... but that would put him in the same bracket as a Jagielka, a Cahill, as per my comparison.
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 31 December, 2012 Posted 31 December, 2012 Your first post was clear. You later changed your mind, which is fine, but don't have a pop at me and others when your initial view is questioned. No. All my posts have been entirely clear and consistent.
Turkish Posted 31 December, 2012 Posted 31 December, 2012 He's badly overweight though and just seems to have fallen away. At his peak he was amazing, but so was Boruc but look at him now. I'd be happy with a stopgap for this season only but I'm not sure Robinson is the man. Where's Kuzscak these days? Last seen in goal for Warford making howlers against us last season.
Turkish Posted 31 December, 2012 Posted 31 December, 2012 A player I haven't seen mentioned, and is suprisingly avaliable, is maarten stekelenburg. Fulham want him, so why don't we go for him? Will cost similar to what we'd pay for Butland. I guess it's a toss up between a 30 year old, or £5m for a young player whose value will only rise. I like Butland alot, I think he's going to be as good as Joe Hart - easily, but he's not quite there yet. 30 is a good age for a keeper though, coming into their prime, a lot go on into their late 30s. He'll have at least 5 years left in him.
Turkish Posted 31 December, 2012 Posted 31 December, 2012 Quite right. Thank you. Mainly a reserve side from either nation..... but that would put him in the same bracket as a Jagielka, a Cahill, as per my comparison. The Italian Gary Cahill or Phil Jakielka is still twice as good as we have and no bad thing Colin!
Saint Stimp Posted 31 December, 2012 Posted 31 December, 2012 A player I haven't seen mentioned, and is suprisingly avaliable, is maarten stekelenburg. Fulham want him, so why don't we go for him? Will cost similar to what we'd pay for Butland. Would be excellent if possible. If not how about Tremmel from Swansea? Has shown himself to be very competent over the past few weeks and with Vorm back maybe we could tempt them with the right offer.
Saint Garrett Posted 31 December, 2012 Posted 31 December, 2012 Cudicini would be a good stop gap IMO Signed for La Galaxy
Patrick Bateman Posted 31 December, 2012 Posted 31 December, 2012 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/southampton-transfer-news-double-bid-1511998 If that happens, then, wow! Can't argue with those signings.
itchen_dan Posted 31 December, 2012 Posted 31 December, 2012 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2255212/Everton-way-fight-Italian-defender-Astori-Saints-join-race.html
Saint Garrett Posted 31 December, 2012 Posted 31 December, 2012 Nixon has said that the Astori story is not his, whereas he's pretty certain we're back in for Butland.
JoeShmoe Posted 31 December, 2012 Posted 31 December, 2012 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2255212/Everton-way-fight-Italian-defender-Astori-Saints-join-race.html Napoli, Juve or us. Pretty hard choice i reckon Jeez
georgeweahscousin Posted 31 December, 2012 Posted 31 December, 2012 You'll never beat Astori (to the tune of "Never Ending Story"). He has to sign now.
CB Fry Posted 31 December, 2012 Posted 31 December, 2012 You'll never beat Astori (to the tune of "Never Ending Story"). He has to sign now. Now that is good. As a result the Northam will never ever sing it.
Turkish Posted 31 December, 2012 Posted 31 December, 2012 You'll never beat Astori (to the tune of "Never Ending Story"). He has to sign now. Clap clap clap clap clap x100 sung at 100000 mph. Not so good Now is it smartarse.
Giordano Posted 31 December, 2012 Posted 31 December, 2012 Its something of a sweeping generalization and a very easy stereotypical comment to make I know, but anyone who can and does play CB for Italy (recently Euro finalists lest we forget)whilst playing for a low ranked Seria A team like Cagliari has GOT to be something a cut above what we have at SMS. In fact he should be a cut above most of the EPL centre-backs. Whoever compared him to a Cahill or a Jagielka was not far off the mark in terms of his provenance and relative abilities. IF we were so LUCKY that he chose us above Everton or other clubs interested it would be another absolute coup for us. Astori would cost at least double if he was English, ie £15-18M. He cost Cagliari $7million in total ( plus fees im sure) so anything over that probably is a good result for Cagliari though they reputedly turned down $15min in June for him- though im dubious myself that this is totally accurate. Being cynical i'd have thought if he was going to be sold by "cash-strapped" Cagliari it would be to the russian outfit - not us - and even then to an Everton not bottom three Southampton - unless NC does a Ramirez and the Italian and Italian speaking connection counts for something and Cagliari they get more dosh up front than is the norm. Bottom line- A current, 24 year old Italian International Centre - back to join Saints? You have got to be effing kidding me, but then again, Uruguay's number 10 for a team WR number 2 in June 2012 plays with us so whats unrealistioc and whats not. As far as i can see EVERY player in Seria A is for sale to the EPL at the right price- Pato, Robinho, Zarate ....
Stepgar Posted 31 December, 2012 Posted 31 December, 2012 I just hope that this gets out to bed very early. Don't want to see another Gaston style thread. Would like us to get our business done at the beginning of the window rather than wait for knock down prices etc as clubs get desperate. We have too many important games in January to wait. Get em in early get em settled for the run in.
Wade Garrett Posted 31 December, 2012 Posted 31 December, 2012 Everton have a strict wage cap. We might have a chance of getting him if we can blow them out of the water on wages. Personally, I don't think we'll get him. But if we're willing to spend that sort of dough we shouldn't have too much trouble getting someone decent in.
Millbrook Saint Posted 31 December, 2012 Posted 31 December, 2012 I just hope that this gets out to bed very early. Don't want to see another Gaston style thread. Would like us to get our business done at the beginning of the window rather than wait for knock down prices etc as clubs get desperate. We have too many important games in January to wait. Get em in early get em settled for the run in. trouble is the lure of coming to a team like southampton isn't the same as going to man u etc. We might like to get the player in early but you can bet his agent will be telling him to hold tight to see who else comes in for him, then if nothing else develops by the end of the month we may get him, by then everyone on here will be moaning about cortese, adkins etc not pulling their fingers out and getting our business done early, when in reality it's usually the players' that holds these deals up
John B Posted 31 December, 2012 Posted 31 December, 2012 Juve or relegation threaten Southampton DOUBT IT
Matthew Le God Posted 31 December, 2012 Posted 31 December, 2012 Juve or relegation threaten Southampton DOUBT IT If Juventus don't make a bid and Southampton do/have already then it isn't quite the choice you have stated.
Window Cleaner Posted 31 December, 2012 Posted 31 December, 2012 Juve or relegation threaten Southampton DOUBT IT Might not be a bad thing, Cagliari's defensive record is pretty abysmal. Perhaps they're just crap all through the side though and one decent player can't make much difference. Still wary of Italian defenders in the PL though. Santon is a liabilty this season.
Turkish Posted 31 December, 2012 Posted 31 December, 2012 If Juventus don't make a bid and Southampton do/have already then it isn't quite the choice you have stated. If Juve do make a bid then it is.
Badger Posted 31 December, 2012 Posted 31 December, 2012 If Juventus don't make a bid and Southampton do/have already then it isn't quite the choice you have stated. If Juve do make a bid then it is. Not necessarily. Cortese will take him to La Lupa's, converse in an Al Pacino sort of way with the waiters, and Astori simply won't know he's not in Italy (or dare not sign when he realises Luca Brasi is the doorman ).
Turkish Posted 31 December, 2012 Posted 31 December, 2012 Not necessarily. Cortese will take him to La Lupa's, converse in an Al Pacino sort of way with the waiters, and Astori simply won't know he's not in Italy (or dare not sign when he realises Luca Brasi is the doorman ). I wouldnt put it past Cortese to pull the old Joe Pesci 'funny what' routine from Godfellas if he tries laughing off any thoughts of joining Southampton.
Stepgar Posted 31 December, 2012 Posted 31 December, 2012 I wouldnt put it past Cortese to pull the old Joe Pesci 'funny what' routine from Godfellas if he tries laughing off any thoughts of joining Southampton. just dont drop a pen!!
Saint Charlie Posted 31 December, 2012 Posted 31 December, 2012 Not that it necessarily means much but NA says he knows and rates the player but 'as far as he knows' no approach has been made.
MOSaint Posted 31 December, 2012 Posted 31 December, 2012 (edited) Not that it necessarily means much but NA says he knows and rates the player but 'as far as he knows' no approach has been made. Suggests he's on the radar, even if talk of a bid is premature. Then again NA said we were not going to sign Yoshida and he signed within the week. Edited 31 December, 2012 by MOSaint
Norm Posted 31 December, 2012 Posted 31 December, 2012 Not necessarily. Cortese will take him to La Lupa's, converse in an Al Pacino sort of way with the waiters, and Astori simply won't know he's not in Italy (or dare not sign when he realises Luca Brasi is the doorman ). Love the Godfather connection! We need Luca Brasi as our CH!
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