astrasri Posted 27 December, 2012 Share Posted 27 December, 2012 Sunderland have apparently suspended the season tickets of 30 fans who have refused to sit during games. I am in the Northam and obviously watch the entire game standing. I have been amazed that we have been left alone by the stewards this season, I fully expected, now we are in the PL to be enforced to follow the rules and be seated. Presumably as a fellow PL club has taken this decision the other clubs (including SFC) will have to follow suit. Do we expect aggravation and dissent if no standing is enforced? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 27 December, 2012 Share Posted 27 December, 2012 There's not necessarily any reason why SFC will follow suit, each club's stadium safety licence is awarded and policed by the local council, so it's entirely possible that this situation has arisen because of pressure applied by Sunderland/Tyne and Wear council. Southampton City Council seem to have left us alone since around 2003/4. I remember they forced the closure of two rows of seats at the back of block 41 for one game in the 2002/3 season but that was as far as they ever went and seemed to stop caring after then as it was a fairly pointless exercise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 27 December, 2012 Share Posted 27 December, 2012 Sunderland have apparently suspended the season tickets of 30 fans who have refused to sit during games. I am in the Northam and obviously watch the entire game standing. I have been amazed that we have been left alone by the stewards this season, I fully expected, now we are in the PL to be enforced to follow the rules and be seated. Presumably as a fellow PL club has taken this decision the other clubs (including SFC) will have to follow suit. Do we expect aggravation and dissent if no standing is enforced? There is no reason why how one club chooses to enforce it's ground regulations should effect what happens at another club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBenali Posted 27 December, 2012 Share Posted 27 December, 2012 I've noticed in the last couple of games our stewards make a half arsed attempt at making the away supporters sit down... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 27 December, 2012 Share Posted 27 December, 2012 SAFC have taped the seats up. Surely this is playing into their hands, and the seats should be secured DOWN? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkshire Saint Posted 27 December, 2012 Share Posted 27 December, 2012 I've noticed in the last couple of games our stewards make a half arsed attempt at making the away supporters sit down... Definitely seemed to be more away fans sat down at the Sunderland game than there had been at our previous home games this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 27 December, 2012 Share Posted 27 December, 2012 Man U stand at every away game, and this has been to case since the 90's! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerBadger Posted 28 December, 2012 Share Posted 28 December, 2012 I haven't sat down for years and the days of the *Phil Brown* steward shouting *fellas* seems long gone - happy days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken Posted 28 December, 2012 Share Posted 28 December, 2012 As it's the law that we must sit in our seats at PL matches, I would imagine other clubs, police forces and safety authorities will be watching Sunderland's experiment. If it's successful I can see other clubs following suit or even being forced to follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 28 December, 2012 Share Posted 28 December, 2012 As it's the law that we must sit in our seats at PL matches, I would imagine other clubs, police forces and safety authorities will be watching Sunderland's experiment. If it's successful I can see other clubs following suit or even being forced to follow. Which law is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 28 December, 2012 Share Posted 28 December, 2012 As it's the law that we must sit in our seats at PL matches, I would imagine other clubs, police forces and safety authorities will be watching Sunderland's experiment. If it's successful I can see other clubs following suit or even being forced to follow. So you can expect to see the few thousand people in the Northam and Kingsland North to have their seats taped up? No Chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken Posted 28 December, 2012 Share Posted 28 December, 2012 As it happens sour mash this law. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1989/37/contents and no Appy, if it was successful I would expect to see a few less people in the Northam and Kindsland!! Those that remain will presumably learn to sit down. It would be really easy to just cancel your electronic tickets and not allow entry to the stadium, they wouldn't need to tape your seats up. Don't have a go at me, I spent most of my teenage saturday afternoons stood on the Milton and Archers road terraces and had a great time, i personally would support safe standing areas in our modern stadiums for those who want it. Just saying how easy it would be stop people standing the whole game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 28 December, 2012 Share Posted 28 December, 2012 As it happens sour mash this law. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1989/37/contents and no Appy, if it was successful I would expect to see a few less people in the Northam and Kindsland!! Those that remain will presumably learn to sit down. It would be really easy to just cancel your electronic tickets and not allow entry to the stadium, they wouldn't need to tape your seats up. Don't have a go at me, I spent most of my teenage saturday afternoons stood on the Milton and Archers road terraces and had a great time, i personally would support safe standing areas in our modern stadiums for those who want it. Just saying how easy it would be stop people standing the whole game. Cheers, where does it say "we must sit in our seats at PL matches"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick1976.4.38 Posted 28 December, 2012 Share Posted 28 December, 2012 if it can be done in germany with no problem and in the rest of the european stadia,why not here. hillsborough was not caused because of standing but by inept policing and stewarding and a stadium without a licence to host football matches,but this is the reason for all seater stadiums in the top flight,yet it must be more dangerous standing in the seats how they are now. i for one want standing brought back but sadly the muppets that run our game will never allow it. one good reason the championship was good,especially getting to go to peterboro and brentford in league 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken Posted 28 December, 2012 Share Posted 28 December, 2012 Some of the German stadia are quite sophisticated with removable seating to reveal terracing for league matches, Champions league matches must be at all seater stadia whereas German league matches can have standing areas. Incidently if 5000 seat were removed and replaced with terracing I guess that would enable maybe 10000 standing customers instead, giving 5000 increase in capacity abd increased revenue for minimal outlay. If we had 10000 that wanted to stand regularly it would be ideal, would improve the atmosphere as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 28 December, 2012 Share Posted 28 December, 2012 if it can be done in germany with no problem and in the rest of the european stadia,why not here. hillsborough was not caused because of standing but by inept policing and stewarding and a stadium without a licence to host football matches,but this is the reason for all seater stadiums in the top flight,yet it must be more dangerous standing in the seats how they are now. i for one want standing brought back but sadly the muppets that run our game will never allow it. one good reason the championship was good,especially getting to go to peterboro and brentford in league 1 Firstly the regulations would need to be changed. And, because of Hillsborough, that is a hugely emotive issue. There is a massive lack of understanding in this country as to what "safe-standing" actually entails. Some German clubs still have the old style terraces that we had here; that's not what is being pushed for. But that doesn't stop a good deal of ignorance being shown publicly by those who can't see any distinction between Hillsborough then and football grounds, policing, stewarding and emergency produres now. If terracing was so inherently dangerous it would be banned throughout football. As it is now, only sides in the top two leagues have to provide all-seater stadia. Lower league clubs are allowed terracing. Why? If standing up at a football game is so dangerous, why are 99% of the football grounds in this country allowed to have standing areas? There needs to be a big information drive to show exactly what safe-standing is, and how in many cases it is actually safer than people standing in seated areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 28 December, 2012 Share Posted 28 December, 2012 The trouble is, who is going to start that information drive? It needs fans to kick-start it as a football-wide drive. I hope it does happen. If people can get ****ed up at a massive music gig and be crammed into the front of a field, with people all around and a fence in front, then surely well-designed stadium with well thought out exit points can allow standing? The funny thing about the Sunderland story, is you just know that everyone in the same stand will be standing this weekend to make a point. They can't ban everyone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 28 December, 2012 Share Posted 28 December, 2012 The trouble is, who is going to start that information drive? It needs fans to kick-start it as a football-wide drive. I hope it does happen. If people can get ****ed up at a massive music gig and be crammed into the front of a field, with people all around and a fence in front, then surely well-designed stadium with well thought out exit points can allow standing? The funny thing about the Sunderland story, is you just know that everyone in the same stand will be standing this weekend to make a point. They can't ban everyone... The Football Supporters Federation have got the ball rolling. http://www.fsf.org.uk/petitions/view/support-safe-standing They've also enlisted something like 12 clubs who are willing to get involved on a trial basis of safe-standing technology (folded seats, barriers every row). That has been denounced by the Hillsborough Families groups, who don't want to even countenance the idea of a return to standing at top-flight football, perhaps without truly understanding the very nature of what they're fighting against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 28 December, 2012 Share Posted 28 December, 2012 I prefer to sit in the Kingsland but fully support the move towards a standing area at SMS ! It's an absolute outrage in this day and age that people are not allowed to make their own choice ! Lessons have been learnt from previous tragedies and it is not beyond the wit of man to introduce proper 'safe standing' ! I've been to a couple of German stadia and can confirm that their specified areas are so much better and safer than standing in seated zones which we takes place in virtually every PL stadium at the moment ! Mealy mouthed officials and politicians, who only ever sit in the VIP section ( if they even attend at all !) , have no clue about the wishes of the average punter but are happy to regulate, as they consider that they know best ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astrasri Posted 28 December, 2012 Author Share Posted 28 December, 2012 The rules seem to indicate:- Each Premiership and Football League ground has its own ground regulations based upon the model ground regulations recommended by the Premier and Football Leagues. Rules 9 and 18 of the model regulations provide that: 9. Nobody may stand in any seated area whilst play is in progress. Persistent standing in seated areas while play is in progress is strictly forbidden and may result in ejection from the ground. 18. The club reserves absolutely the right to eject from the ground any person failing to comply with any of the ground regulations or whose presence within the ground is, or could reasonably be construed as, constituting a source of danger, nuisance or annoyance to any other person. This could lead to further action by the club including, but not limited to, the withdrawal of any season ticket (without reimbursement)and other benefits. 18.1 Entry to the ground shall constitute acceptance of the ground regulations. Local safety certificates have to take account of these regulations? Doesn't that mean we have to sit? Confusing isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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