Billy Sharp

[Mowgli]

Omg. £10,000 per week?? Take it Billy. Take it!

[farawaysaint]

He is earning enough doing bugger all here, which is part of the problem unfortunately

 

Mandaric should just keep quiet on the whole issue then. If Billy has (as ART suggests) stated categorically that he will not play for Wednesday then why is Milan targeting us?

[Colinjb]

Well that's an adult attitude then to be sure. Plenty of footballers have played for their favourite team's rivals. It's a job where you earn a living at the end of the day. Idiots should be banned from Twitter.

 

Did you feel the same when Wayne Bridge turned down a move to the Skates?

 

I actually respect that there are some footballers who can maintain that passionate view of the game, I refuse to be so cynical and believe that he would turn down a move to Wednesday due to financial reasons.

[Window Cleaner]

Did you feel the same when Wayne Bridge turned down a move to the Skates?

 

.

 

Of course, footballers should go where they have a chance of err playing football.

[Smirking_Saint]

Mandaric should just keep quiet on the whole issue then. If Billy has (as ART suggests) stated categorically that he will not play for Wednesday then why is Milan targeting us?

 

I imagine he was attempting to unsettle Sharp, likelyhood is we just said we wouldnt entertain a drop in wages and mandric thought if he released this to the press it would make Sharp think the same.

[CB Fry]

Omg. £10,000 per week?? Take it Billy. Take it!

 

Why? He's earning double that now.

[Lord Duckhunter]

If Mick Channon can play for the Skates, then Billy Sharp can play for Weds.

[ART]

If Mick Channon can play for the Skates, then Billy Sharp can play for Weds.

Northerners generally have stronger principles hence Sharp is more likely to reject playing for Sheffield Wednesday. Furthermore his spiritual home Sheffield United has been bought by a billionaire Arab businessman and being sadly lacking in a goal scorer more likely to make Billy a good offer. So why shouldn't he bide his time and hold on, whilst still hoping Pochettino might come around to letting him play.

[alehouseboys]

If Mick Channon can play for the Skates, then Billy Sharp can play for Weds.

 

That's not the best comparison, Channon wasn't exactly a Saints 'fan' and wasn't from Southampton, or even Hampshire.

 

Bridgey's a better one, he did the right thing. Now, Darren Anderton...

[saintedwill]

I feel slightly sorry for Sharp. It's been made pretty clear that he's not wanted by the club but my understanding is that the club don't really talk to him.

 

When he went on loan to Forest, there was no call from the chairman or manager to tell him he was going (and he had a really good relationship with NA at S****horpe) or to wish him well. My understanding is that it was all done through his agent.

 

If he still thinks there's a hope of Celtic, I think he should hold out for CL football.

[ART]

Adkins keen to sign Billy Sharp on loan. States that he rates him highly. So maybe someday the truth will emerge as to who was behind Sharp going out on loan.

 

http://www.getreading.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/reading-fc-face-fierce-competition-5922624

[angelman]

I feel slightly sorry for Sharp. It's been made pretty clear that he's not wanted by the club but my understanding is that the club don't really talk to him.

 

I do as well, but presumably, he has quite a lot of say in the matter. I am guessing if he wanted to, that he (and SFC) could renegotiate a certain part of his contract - ie how much he gets paid.

[Window Cleaner]

I do as well, but presumably, he has quite a lot of say in the matter. I am guessing if he wanted to, that he (and SFC) could renegotiate a certain part of his contract - ie how much he gets paid.

 

Why would he want to do that though, bloke is 27 pushing 28, he'll never get another shot at PL football so he might as well miilk the Saints for every contracted penny he can. If he was 24 or 25 I'm sure it would be different.

[ART]

Sharp's just retweeted Ollie Lancasters post "Anyone looking for a flat in Southampton have a look at this

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-43184861.html

 

Nice looking place.

[sotonist]

Why would he want to do that though, bloke is 27 pushing 28, he'll never get another shot at PL football so he might as well miilk the Saints for every contracted penny he can. If he was 24 or 25 I'm sure it would be different.

 

Yeah it's a marginal decision. He's earning double wages by sitting on his arse for the remaining two years of his contract. If he moved on his earning prospects might rise with inflation and he might get a couple more years out of his career, giving him a net benefit, but those are ifs. The contract he's got is absolute.

[Glasgow_Saint]

Adkins keen to sign Billy Sharp on loan. States that he rates him highly. So maybe someday the truth will emerge as to who was behind Sharp going out on loan.

 

http://www.getreading.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/reading-fc-face-fierce-competition-5922624

 

[Professor]

Anyone who disapprove of Billy Sharp not accepting a reduction in pay to play in the Championship is really only qualified to criticise him if prepared to see their own income cut by 50%. So he is doing absolutely the right thing to wait until a loan agreement is made that protects his contract. At the same time, Championship clubs are understandably not willing to pay Premier League wages for a player in the second tier. This has the feel of brinkmanship all round and I suspect an agreement will be made that will see SFC continuing to pay part of Sharp's wages. It is in the clubs interests to have him playing and performing well, as that way they might eventually recoup some of the fee (was it £1.8m?) that was paid for him.

[angelman]

Why would he want to do that though, bloke is 27 pushing 28, he'll never get another shot at PL football so he might as well miilk the Saints for every contracted penny he can. If he was 24 or 25 I'm sure it would be different.

 

Depends if he is happy to sit on his behind picking his wage up and never play. I would have thought that most players would be desperate to play, even if it they had to write off some of their contract.

[Window Cleaner]

Depends if he is happy to sit on his behind picking his wage up and never play. I would have thought that most players would be desperate to play, even if it they had to write off some of their contract.

 

Obviously not in his case though. As I say he's nigh on 28,when his contract expires he'll be over 30 I think so he is not going to

forego nigh on a million £ just to play a bit of football. As for recovering any of our 1.8 million £ well i think we can just forget about that. Any club interested in recruiting him on loan will know the exact situation with him and I really doubt that anyone will pay him much more than half of his salary, hotshot goleadors are two a penny in the NPC because every PL club has a couple that they don't need and most of them are on far less than Sharp..

[Glasgow_Saint]

Billy is our most prolific striker ever and the clubs stance could end up costing us BIG.

 

Billy joined for 1.8m and earns 18k per week. For simplicity thats 3.3m in wages (3.5 year contract = 182 weeks)

 

So in total thats 5.1m or 340k per goal

 

Lets assume Nottingham Forest paid 50% last season - thats still 2.8m in wages and 4.6m total = 307k per Saints goal.

[angelman]

Obviously not in his case though. As I say he's nigh on 28,when his contract expires he'll be over 30 I think so he is not going to

forego nigh on a million £ just to play a bit of football. As for recovering any of our 1.8 million £ well i think we can just forget about that. Any club interested in recruiting him on loan will know the exact situation with him and I really doubt that anyone will pay him much more than half of his salary, hotshot goleadors are two a penny in the NPC because every PL club has a couple that they don't need and most of them are on far less than Sharp..

 

You seem to be right, presuming you are saying £1m is £8k over 2 year, as £10k seems to be the going rate that other clubs are prepared to pay.

 

I really can't understand SFC's thought process on this one. Sure we don't want to pay any of his wage, but it seems that we are cutting our nose off to spite our face. Mandaric was correct in what he said. He is our player to do with what we like, but he is costing us a lot. If you take the view that we won't get any of the £1.8m back for what we paid him, and that he is happy to see out his contract, then surely it is better to farm him out, and save ourselves £10k a week. Surely they can make some sort of deal with Reading and put in that if they get promoted (and maybe even another one relating to goals that BS has scored), that they pay more? Cortese seems to like all these little clauses, and in this case, Reading shouldn't try and do an Arsenal (re playing Ox for less than 20 mins) as the rewards for promotion would outweigh an extra £500k.

[Window Cleaner]

Billy is our most prolific striker ever and the clubs stance could end up costing us BIG.

 

Billy joined for 1.8m and earns 18k per week. For simplicity thats 3.3m in wages (3.5 year contract = 182 weeks)

 

So in total thats 5.1m or 340k per goal

 

Lets assume Nottingham Forest paid 50% last season - thats still 2.8m in wages and 4.6m total = 307k per Saints goal.

 

where do these goal figues come from then, I mean you're not counting pre-season games or something like that are you?

Cos when you're going into "most prolific striker" you have to look at people like Derek Reeves (145 in 270 or so games)

[angelman]

Billy is our most prolific striker ever

 

Really? You sure about that? You think that maybe a word other than "prolific" might be better, cos at 9 goals, he certainly isn't prolific.

[Glasgow_Saint]

where do these goal figues come from then, I mean you're not counting pre-season games or something like that are you?

Cos when you're going into "most prolific striker" you have to look at people like Derek Reeves (145 in 270 or so games)

 

Billy scored 15 in 20 games

 

‣ Only started 13 of the 20

 

‣ Only finsihed the 90 in 5 of the 20

[angelman]

Ah. You are talking about an average return (goals per game or minutes per goal or some such) rather than a total. Prolific would refer to a total.

[Glasgow_Saint]

Ah. You are talking about an average return (goals per game or minutes per goal or some such) rather than a total. Prolific would refer to a total.

 

Yes average mate

 

however cut it any way you want - goals per minute, goals per game. He still has the best scoring record for Saints aka most prolific

[Window Cleaner]

Billy scored 15 in 20 games

 

‣ Only started 13 of the 20

 

‣ Only finsihed the 90 in 5 of the 20

 

no he didn't he scored 10 and one of those was an own goal by Trippier. Where does 15 come from ?

[Saint Troy]

Yes average mate

 

however cut it any way you want - goals per minute, goals per game. He still has the best scoring record for Saints aka most prolific

 

Im happy to call myself a bit of a bell end for this but Albert Brown scored 25 in 26 saints appearances so that's probably one way to cut it that Sharp isn't. I am however firmly in the camp of Billy being able to cut it in the prem over the slightly more prolific Albert based on current fitness.

[Matthew Le God]

Billy scored 15 in 20 games

 

No he didn't.

[Window Cleaner]

No he didn't.

 

noticed he didn't answer my question about that, he's probably counting 5 in a game against Eastleigh or something. Records show that in official games Billy Sharp scored (but he didn't really because one was a Trippier OG) 10 goals in 18 games. His average isn't bad though but Ron Davies is shown to have scored 134 in 240 official games and is probably the club's most prolific scorer with a goals/game ratio of 0.558 compared to Sharp's 0.555 even if you give him the own goal..

[Glasgow_Saint]

no he didn't he scored 10 and one of those was an own goal by Trippier. Where does 15 come from ?

 

Answered this a few times - have a read through the thread.

[Glasgow_Saint]

No he didn't.

 

Let me guess - you are discounting a goal cos it touched Trippier on the way in?

[Glasgow_Saint]

Im happy to call myself a bit of a bell end for this but Albert Brown scored 25 in 26 saints appearances so that's probably one way to cut it that Sharp isn't. I am however firmly in the camp of Billy being able to cut it in the prem over the slightly more prolific Albert based on current fitness.

 

Fair play

 

Billy is most prolific since 1902

[Window Cleaner]

Fair play

 

Billy is most prolific since 1902

 

no he isn't because we cannot possibly know how many pre-season goals all our other "prolific" strikers scored.

[Fowllyd]

no he didn't he scored 10 and one of those was an own goal by Trippier. Where does 15 come from ?

 

Answered this a few times - have a read through the thread.

 

To save anyone the bother, Glasgow_Saint is counting every single game Billy played for Saints - so yes, that includes pre-season friendlies. Without those his record would be good but not spectacular. Though just why anybody takes any post by Glasgow (or any of his alter-egos) seriously is beyond me.

[Glasgow_Saint]

To save anyone the bother, Glasgow_Saint is counting every single game Billy played for Saints - so yes, that includes pre-season friendlies. Without those his record would be good but not spectacular. Though just why anybody takes any post by Glasgow (or any of his alter-egos) seriously is beyond me.

 

Pre-season goals arent real goals?

[Window Cleaner]

Pre-season goals arent real goals?

 

How many has Lambert scored or Ron Davies or Mick Channon or Derek Reeves, you don't know, I don't know but if any of our

historians could tell us it would elucidate the affair.

[Glasgow_Saint]

How many has Lambert scored or Ron Davies or Mick Channon or Derek Reeves, you don't know, I don't know but if any of our

historians could tell us it would elucidate the affair.

 

Why are you so upset that Billy is our most prolific scorer ever? I am pleased for Billy - why cant you be?

 

 

#FreeBilly

[Chez]

Pre-season goals arent real goals?

 

Only Romario would count them in his goal stats.

 

If Sharp had played 6 pre season friendlies and scored 0 goals would you have included those games as part of your analysis?

[Window Cleaner]

Why are you so upset that Billy is our most prolific scorer ever? I am pleased for Billy - why cant you be?

 

 

#FreeBilly

 

Probably because I grew up in the Ron Davies era and it irks me to see a troll such as yourself trying to make out that a jumped up second division goleador is a better striker just because he got a few easy pre-season goals.

[Glasgow_Saint]

Probably because I grew up in the Ron Davies era and it irks me to see a troll such as yourself trying to make out that a jumped up second division goleador is a better striker just because he got a few easy pre-season goals.

 

wo wo wo youre putting words into my mouth now WC. I never even mentioned Ron D or his scoring record, and certainly never said Billy was a "better striker"

 

More prolific yes - "better" is not my call to make as never saw Ron D play.

[The9]

Whatever he's claiming, it's not "prolific", which just means the production of numerous things - in this case goals. Even counting goals in training he's still not remotely close to being remotely prolific for Saints, never mind "the most prolific ever".

 

The definition of prolific is about pure volume only, there's no calculation to be taken into consideration.

 

For what it's worth, he'd have to be insane to cut his pay in half just for the privilege of playing football - he can walk out of here at the end of his contract far better off financially, with a far reduced chance of getting injured, and the opportunity to negotiate a deal with a Championship side based on his undiluted current wages, rather than the cut he might have taken. He's already established as a Championship striker and there will be no shortage of takers in the top half of the Championship no matter what he does in the next 18 months.

 

In terms of smart business decisions, sitting out his contract is second only to somehow working his way into Saints' first team to increase his value when his contract expires.

[Mowgli]

Why? He's earning double that now.

 

No. He's not. He may be getting paid that... ... He's certainly not earning it

[Mowgli]

Anyone who disapprove of Billy Sharp not accepting a reduction in pay to play in the Championship is really only qualified to criticise him if prepared to see their own income cut by 50%. So he is doing absolutely the right thing to wait until a loan agreement is made that protects his contract. At the same time, Championship clubs are understandably not willing to pay Premier League wages for a player in the second tier. This has the feel of brinkmanship all round and I suspect an agreement will be made that will see SFC continuing to pay part of Sharp's wages. It is in the clubs interests to have him playing and performing well, as that way they might eventually recoup some of the fee (was it £1.8m?) that was paid for him.

 

Which entitles me to criticise. Far better to have £10k a week and play than not. That said I accept in the real world people can't always Afford to waive half their salary. He can, I am sure.

[Glasgow_Saint]

Which entitles me to criticise. Far better to have £10k a week and play than not. That said I accept in the real world people can't always Afford to waive half their salary. He can, I am sure.

 

Do you really think Billy would write off circa 420k just to play? would you?

 

Do nothing and get circa 940k a year or play and get jst 416k?

[Big Bad Bob]

What I am feeling, from nowhere at all, is that the club are hoping the his contract can be terminated by mutual consent.

 

If that happens do the club have to pay off all that he is owed or can that be negotiated, that is the club say "Billy mate, we'll give you 40% of your remaining contract if rip it up now"

 

Billy can then go and play for whom he wants..

[david in sweden]

How many has Lambert scored or Ron Davies or Mick Channon or Derek Reeves, you don't know, I don't know but if any of our

historians could tell us it would elucidate the affair.[/quote)

 

 

I'm not able to look at figures just now, but common sense says that if the " pre-season / practice " games don't count as " appearances " in the stats. then neither do any goals scored in them.

 

If they did ...then Guly would appear as our leading scorer this season, so far.

[david in sweden]

No. He's not. He may be getting paid that... ... He's certainly not earning it

 

well said that man!

[Window Cleaner]

How many has Lambert scored or Ron Davies or Mick Channon or Derek Reeves, you don't know, I don't know but if any of our

historians could tell us it would elucidate the affair.[/quote)

 

 

I'm not able to look at figures just now, but common sense says that if the " pre-season / practice " games don't count as " appearances " in the stats. then neither do any goals scored in them.

 

If they did ...then Guly would appear as our leading scorer this season, so far.

 

you know that, I know that but Glasgow just won't let it go. Serves me right for argueing with a troll I guess, still day off today and it's raining.

[tommi]

How anyone on here can criticise Billy's goal scoring for us is beyond me. Without his goals in the latter half of our Championship promotion season we would not have been promoted to the Premier League. Short memories.