Ziggy Posted 23 December, 2012 Posted 23 December, 2012 Ahh, brilliant. The old football is played by pansies, Rugby, now that's a real mans game argument. So you don't think football is played by pansies compared to rugby? Brilliant.
Thedelldays Posted 23 December, 2012 Posted 23 December, 2012 So you don't think football is played by pansies compared to rugby? Brilliant. there is a difference..but that does not mean that getting a ball kicked over 50MPH at the back of your head from 2 yeards away is not dangerous
Ziggy Posted 23 December, 2012 Posted 23 December, 2012 How true. Rugby is a proper man's game. I remember going to a Harlequins match a few years back and seeing that Tom Williams having to come off the pitch. Proper bleeding he was and everything. Hopefully he was okay in the end. Cheating is rife everywhere. I have never seen a footballer diving to con a referee.
Thedelldays Posted 23 December, 2012 Posted 23 December, 2012 Cheating is rife everywhere. I have never seen a footballer diving to con a referee. I would suggest taking a blood capsule onto the field is worse...all planned and pre-meditated etc
Ziggy Posted 23 December, 2012 Posted 23 December, 2012 I would suggest taking a blood capsule onto the field is worse...all planned and pre-meditated etc Possibly but not as life threatening as the attack today is being portrayed.
Thedelldays Posted 23 December, 2012 Posted 23 December, 2012 Possibly but not as life threatening as the attack today is being portrayed. maybe...he was over reacting..no biggy..but I am sure, someone out there has had a serious injury with a lot less impact that that take fergies comment out of it...what happened was very dangerous
Johnny Shearer Posted 23 December, 2012 Posted 23 December, 2012 Not seem many posts commenting on it, most people are just slagging off Fergie. Yes, he was a bit over the top, I said as much in my OP on this thread. I expect most managers would react angrily in similar circumstances. Would you? Of course, most people would have reacted strongly to the incident. As would have I but I don't I would have said that was a life killer moment. The crux will be if he goes over the incident in detail and then says whether he was over the top or not. If it was a Utd player doing the same to a Swansea player what would have been the outcome? Fergie along with plenty of other managers have got form for ignoring or down playing incidents when it's their team involved.
Ziggy Posted 24 December, 2012 Posted 24 December, 2012 maybe...he was over reacting..no biggy..but I am sure, someone out there has had a serious injury with a lot less impact that that take fergies comment out of it...what happened was very dangerous I will agree with that. The bloke needs a serious ban for a dangerous act.
Turkish Posted 24 December, 2012 Posted 24 December, 2012 So you don't think football is played by pansies compared to rugby? Brilliant. I love this arguement, you can't compare the two at all. Totally different types of tackles and sports. Im not condoning the ones that dive, however If an 11 stone striker running almoat as fast as an Olympic sprinter, is clattered by a 15 stone 6 foot 3 centre half built like a brick sh*t house it's going to hurt and if it's even slightly mistimed it's going to cause them some damage.
The Kraken Posted 24 December, 2012 Posted 24 December, 2012 I will agree with that. The bloke needs a serious ban for a dangerous act. Whatever we think, he won't get one. The FA will say that the referee saw it and acted on it (by issuing a yellow card). That'll be the end of it. God bless the FA disciplinary system.
AussieDog Posted 24 December, 2012 Posted 24 December, 2012 Rugby. A game watches by pansies and played by thugs. Football. A game played by pansies and watched by thugs haha Looking at that video his eyes were on Van Persie when he kicked the ball so I'd say he meant it, but the guy got booked for it and that should be the end of the matter Merry Xmas everyone
Ziggy Posted 24 December, 2012 Posted 24 December, 2012 I love this arguement, you can't compare the two at all. Totally different types of tackles and sports. Im not condoning the ones that dive, however If an 11 stone striker running almoat as fast as an Olympic sprinter, is clattered by a 15 stone 6 foot 3 centre half built like a brick sh*t house it's going to hurt and if it's even slightly mistimed it's going to cause them some damage. Argument. Who's arguing? Rugby is a harder sport played by harder men. You can't possibly dispute that? Week in week out I watch people getting properly hurt playing rugby but they get up and carry on. Football is played by overpaid prima donnas trying to con the ref at every opportunity.
Turkish Posted 24 December, 2012 Posted 24 December, 2012 Argument. Who's arguing? Rugby is a harder sport played by harder men. You can't possibly dispute that? Week in week out I watch people getting properly hurt playing rugby but they get up and carry on. Football is played by overpaid prima donnas trying to con the ref at every opportunity. I don't dispute it, just merely pointing out a scenario as to why in some cases, those pansies rolling around on the floor, might actually have a legitimate reason.
The9 Posted 24 December, 2012 Posted 24 December, 2012 I'm still injured from a tackle 12 years ago, and busted my shoulder just heading a ball at the same time as someone, so I'm not quite sure how that feeds into the "can't get seriously injured playing football" argument... Honestly couldn't care less about a footballer hammering a ball in frustration and it accidentally hitting someone else - it couldn't have killed him because it didn't. What would needed to have been different? If anything was, it would be a different incident so I'm not sure what he's complaining about. I haven't actually heard at what point the whistle went anyway, which could be affect intent and execution of Williams' clearance..?
Thedelldays Posted 24 December, 2012 Posted 24 December, 2012 Alex Ferguson says that Robin Van Persie could have been killed when Ashley Williams kicked the ball at his head. Just like the time a fan head-butted Eric Cantona's foot.
Dig Dig Posted 24 December, 2012 Posted 24 December, 2012 I love it now some many people are having a go at Fergie for his comments when he was clearly angry at what had happened and totally ignoring the fact that a player could have been seriously injured by someone smashing a ball at a players head from 2 foot away, if that had been one of our players you'd be going nuts demanding he be banned for life. All you mugs on about no one ever dying from being stuck by a football clearly have no idea just how hard proffesional footballers can strike a ball. It's not like being struck by one hit by on our fat, fancy dress half time relay boys. Could one say that you are outraged by this?
CB Saint Posted 24 December, 2012 Posted 24 December, 2012 So Williams shouldn't have done it (although gooners may disagree) and fergie went a bit ott. Two observations, Rooney said I think it's one of those things," he said. "The whistle's gone, the defenders gone to clear and it's hit him in the head. I think [it was] probably the right decision from the referee." Also, given how prem footballers writhe in agony at the slightest touch, you can see how much pain they can stand when their only thought is to throttle the opposition, instead of conning the ref.
Turkish Posted 24 December, 2012 Posted 24 December, 2012 Could one say that you are outraged by this? No. Slightly irked is more like it.
notnowcato Posted 24 December, 2012 Posted 24 December, 2012 Classic Fergie. Average performance by his team and he diverts the attention to an incident in the game.
The9 Posted 24 December, 2012 Posted 24 December, 2012 Surprised Van Persie knew who to throttle, given that he was lying down facing the other way.
the stain Posted 24 December, 2012 Posted 24 December, 2012 Williams was apologising to him and stood behind him......it would have been obvious wo kicked it.
Sheaf Saint Posted 24 December, 2012 Posted 24 December, 2012 http://newsthump.com/2012/12/24/van-persie-rushed-to-hair-salon/
Give it to Ron Posted 24 December, 2012 Posted 24 December, 2012 FA to take no action against Swansea defender Ashley Williams for incident with Robin van Persie http://bit.ly/W1wfcU #swans #mufc Fergie saying most dangerous thing on a football pitch....must of done a Wenger then and missed Keanes tackle on Haaland then.
Saintandy666 Posted 24 December, 2012 Posted 24 December, 2012 It was dangerous. Professional footballers hit the ball seriously hard and Williams wasn't holding back.
Turkish Posted 24 December, 2012 Posted 24 December, 2012 It was dangerous. Professional footballers hit the ball seriously hard and Williams wasn't holding back. A fascinating take on events. Thanks Andy.
Bearsy Posted 24 December, 2012 Posted 24 December, 2012 I'm not a doctor so i can't comment how lethal the footballs they use now are, but if Ferguson is right do you think they should consider switch to foam ball or one of those plastic inflatable jobs you get from petrol garage? They are ok as long as you don't have strong winds.
Saintandy666 Posted 24 December, 2012 Posted 24 December, 2012 A fascinating take on events. Thanks Andy. I forgot I was in the company of you, a modern day Aristotle. In future, I'll make sure my contributions are up to your usual high standards.
Restark19 Posted 24 December, 2012 Posted 24 December, 2012 According to some bloke on SSN it could have caused an injury to his cervical spine..? Sounds pretty serious. He then went on to say there was probably no damage done.
dubai_phil Posted 24 December, 2012 Posted 24 December, 2012 I would like to thank StL for FB'ing this..... [/img]
dinger Posted 24 December, 2012 Posted 24 December, 2012 Whatever we think, he won't get one. The FA will say that the referee saw it and acted on it (by issuing a yellow card). That'll be the end of it. God bless the FA disciplinary system. I'm not sure how you can expect the FA to deliver a retrospective punishment, when even with the benefit of countless replays opinion is clearly split on what intent there was.
Whitey Grandad Posted 24 December, 2012 Posted 24 December, 2012 'Man playing football gets hit on the head by the ball'. It happens countless time on Sunday mornings in your local park. I remember Paul Scholes hammering the ball at a Saints player a few years ago. Not a dicky bird from anyone. That was a frustrated slice and not intentional. Bunch of Northern softies.
PhilippineSaint Posted 25 December, 2012 Posted 25 December, 2012 They will be banning the ten yard wall soon in case somebody gets hit with the light piece of plastic and rubber they call a modern football. If they still used a good old sodden leather ball and hard lacing on it. Van Persie's head would have been off his shoulders and scoring in the other goal. You cant tell me that a 1950's player in a pair of steel toe cap boots cannot kick an old ball harder than a light plastic rubber one being kicked by somebody wearing ballet shoe's? Stanley Mathew's never complained about it.
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 25 December, 2012 Posted 25 December, 2012 I recently watched Senna and saw Martin Donnelly's crash in the early 90's. I thought he had died and the feeling of dread at looking at his body after it had been thrown from the car was horrible. Frankly he was lucky to be alive. The same dread went through me when I watched Van Persie yesterday. Sickening.
GAS Posted 25 December, 2012 Posted 25 December, 2012 Not sure this would be such a big deal if Fergie hadn't chirped in. He just kicked the ball and it happened to hit RVP on the head. Can't see any reason to get so irate really. We used to play a game as kids where we would crack the ball at each others head. Never done me any harm. Admittedly i'm the only one still alive but thats another matter. Ken Dodds my dad.
Graffito Posted 25 December, 2012 Posted 25 December, 2012 Not sure this would be such a big deal if Fergie hadn't chirped in. He just kicked the ball and it happened to hit RVP on the head. Can't see any reason to get so irate really. We used to play a game as kids where we would crack the ball at each others head. Never done me any harm. Admittedly i'm the only one still alive but thats another matter. Ken Dodds my dad. Tatty Bye.
Greenridge Posted 26 December, 2012 Posted 26 December, 2012 I'm not sure how you can expect the FA to deliver a retrospective punishment, when even with the benefit of countless replays opinion is clearly split on what intent there was. It was disgraceful, apparently, well maybe 50/50 disgraceful.
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