Saintandy666 Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 He would not leave for leeds. I think he has a certain amount of loyalty to Saints now, as we have helped him a lot in his career and I think he wants to stay with us this year at least to get a decent premier league tally. Why go down a league when he has just got here?! He might leave us for Liverpool I guess... and fair play, it's his childhood team(I think), but Liverpool would never be interested in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 He said he wants to end his career here. I believe he will so long as we don't get relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 Originally Posted by up and away I would not sell Lambert for the simple reason I don't believe we would get enough to bring anyone more effective in. I agree with a lot of the negative aspects about Lambert but he has pluses as well. What we need is to be far more selective when Lambert starts, Holt does not get that freedom at Norwich. Using Lambert as a second half substitute can help his game considerably, something we just don't do. Grant Holt's and Rickie Lambert's PL stats this season are identical; 15 starts, 2 sub appearances. During Holt's first season in the Premier, Paul Lambert used Holt as a frequent substitute. Often bringing him on later to score winning goals. You really are pish if you can't remember something that significant! Holt would continue as substitute even though he would come on and score, all for the better of the player and the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 I believe Rickie would stay if we got relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 During Holt's first season in the Premier, Paul Lambert used Holt as a frequent substitute. Often bringing him on later to score winning goals. You really are pish if you can't remember something that significant! Holt would continue as substitute even though he would come on and score, all for the better of the player and the team. I'm aware he did that last season; but its no longer the case this season. He's made almost as many starts this season as he did the whole of the last one. Hence why i responded to your "Holt doesn't get that freedom at Norwich" comment. he didn't, but he certainly does now. Hence why I think its a bit of a pish analogy to use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 After what he has done for us, I wouldn't begrudge him a final big pay day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 Its all very well saying Lambert needs to play less; it becomes a bit of a daft idea if the replacement striker(s) are not up to the task and we therefore significantly weaken ourselves because of it, all in the name of getting a prime 30 minutes or so every game from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 I dare you to come up with a rational explanation why Lambert is not scoring, not winning headers and generally not looking bothered. The likes of SDR get slated regularly on here for a cameo appearance and yet Lambert doesn't make the grade and he is untouchable. Now to me that's worthy of a WOW! It's not about 'daring' - you just seemed to have been watching a different set of games to me (I can't speak for anyone else) - He does win headers, he does look bothered and has a good shots to scoring ratio. I'm not out for insulting anyone's opinion but you are sure which one Ricky Lambert is? Biggish fella, number 7 on his shirt...class act? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch01 Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 'Lambert didn't look bothered' is one of the most naive lines people consistently roll out on this forum. Just because he isn't dashing around chasing the ball, that means he isn't trying, apparently. Spectacularly poor understanding of the game from some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 This suggests Lambert isn't at all one dimensional but quite the opposite. http://www.eplindex.com/23536/top-10-creators-premier-league-1213-cazorla-jumps-2nd-place.html? Doesn't show anything of the sort, however I don't think anyone has used the term one dimensional to be fair. The trouble is though the application of his skills at this level - if he's given the time and space then he can make things happen, but he's denied this by either much better defenders or managers that know how to nullify him. Usually Lambert takes the heat off Lallana and Puncheon (or other player), however with Lallana out and Puncheon having an off-day, our goal threats are severely minimised because Lambert unfortunately doesn't have the pace to outwit his markers. This is not slating Lambert - he's been brilliant for us - it's the league we're in now and it doesn't matter how much anyone wants it to be different, this is the situation we're in. Adkins can either try to find another plan with SRL OR try taking SRL out the picture for a while OR suffer the possible consequences of the club's relegation. Doing nothing will end in the same types of result as yesterday. I do not think the 1st team is made up of the types of players/characters that will endure a relegation scrap like we used to have in the PL - it's too young to succeed in that I fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 This is not slating Lambert - he's been brilliant for us - it's the league we're in now and it doesn't matter how much anyone wants it to be different, this is the situation we're in. Adkins can either try to find another plan with SRL OR try taking SRL out the picture for a while OR suffer the possible consequences of the club's relegation. Doing nothing will end in the same types of result as yesterday. I do not think the 1st team is made up of the types of players/characters that will endure a relegation scrap like we used to have in the PL - it's too young to succeed in that I fear. Will doing nothing also end in the same types of result as QPR away? Or Aston Villa home? Or Reading home? Or Newcastle home? They seem equally as valid as yesterday's result to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 Its all very well saying Lambert needs to play less; it becomes a bit of a daft idea if the replacement striker(s) are not up to the task and we therefore significantly weaken ourselves because of it, all in the name of getting a prime 30 minutes or so every game from him. How many games has Lambert missed? More to the point, how many games do you think Adkins and his coaches have prepared for where Lambert is NOT a prime part of the game plan? The answer to both those questions is few. Sure thing, this indicates Lambert plays a big part, however I believe his partnership and understanding with Lallana should not be underestimated. Take Lallana out and Lambert appears less effective. Whichever way you cut it, we're not scoring goals now - there's a reason for that and Lambert as the main striker has to take some responsibility. Put it another way. IF we had the money etc to entice a striker of let's say Van Persie's ability and pace into SRL's position - just one player - do you think we would perform substantially better and achieve better results than we are currently achieving? I believe we probably would and that's why £7m on JRod was not money very well spent for our first season back in the Prem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 Doesn't show anything of the sort, however I don't think anyone has used the term one dimensional to be fair. The trouble is though the application of his skills at this level - if he's given the time and space then he can make things happen, but he's denied this by either much better defenders or managers that know how to nullify him. Usually Lambert takes the heat off Lallana and Puncheon (or other player), however with Lallana out and Puncheon having an off-day, our goal threats are severely minimised because Lambert unfortunately doesn't have the pace to outwit his markers. This is not slating Lambert - he's been brilliant for us - it's the league we're in now and it doesn't matter how much anyone wants it to be different, this is the situation we're in. Adkins can either try to find another plan with SRL OR try taking SRL out the picture for a while OR suffer the possible consequences of the club's relegation. Doing nothing will end in the same types of result as yesterday. I do not think the 1st team is made up of the types of players/characters that will endure a relegation scrap like we used to have in the PL - it's too young to succeed in that I fear. You used the term one dimensional. "He is fast becoming a liability as we're too one dimensional and static in attack " The stats put lambert in the top 10 most creative players in the league alongside the likes of Cazorla, Mata, Gerrard. And he's scored 6 goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 How many games has Lambert missed? More to the point, how many games do you think Adkins and his coaches have prepared for where Lambert is NOT a prime part of the game plan? The answer to both those questions is few. Sure thing, this indicates Lambert plays a big part, however I believe his partnership and understanding with Lallana should not be underestimated. Take Lallana out and Lambert appears less effective. Whichever way you cut it, we're not scoring goals now - there's a reason for that and Lambert as the main striker has to take some responsibility. Put it another way. IF we had the money etc to entice a striker of let's say Van Persie's ability and pace into SRL's position - just one player - do you think we would perform substantially better and achieve better results than we are currently achieving? I believe we probably would and that's why £7m on JRod was not money very well spent for our first season back in the Prem. We are not scoring as many goals but we're also conceding far fewer. Is it possible that these two facts are linked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 Will doing nothing also end in the same types of result as QPR away? Or Aston Villa home? Or Reading home? Or Newcastle home? They seem equally as valid as yesterday's result to me. Look at the teams - all poor and in the case of Newcastle, plagued with injury. We will get it right once in a while or the opposing team will switch off or fail to obey the Managers instructions. The way things are, it will not happen the majority of times and especially against a very well organised defence like Sunderlands (who have an excellent Manager who planned the game really well yesterday). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 You used the term one dimensional. "He is fast becoming a liability as we're too one dimensional and static in attack " The stats put lambert in the top 10 most creative players in the league alongside the likes of Cazorla, Mata, Gerrard. And he's scored 6 goals. Yes I did. I do not understand how you can confuse "we're too one dimensional" with "Lambert is...". Lambert is becoming a liability because of the team relying so heavily on him being the playmaker when he is being marked out of the game and because he is not mobile enough to defeat the 2 on 1 situations he faces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 Look at the teams - all poor and in the case of Newcastle, plagued with injury. We will get it right once in a while or the opposing team will switch off or fail to obey the Managers instructions. The way things are, it will not happen the majority of times and especially against a very well organised defence like Sunderlands (who have an excellent Manager who planned the game really well yesterday). Ah ok, got it. We've only previously won when other teams have switched off, or when they've been even more rubbish than usual. Got it; that explains things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 We are not scoring as many goals but we're also conceding far fewer. Is it possible that these two facts are linked? Yes, I think there is possible connection, however I would actually put that down to (a) Shaw being excellent and (b) Fonte and Yoshi clicking in their partnership © Cork returning to partner Morgan - the defence looks much more balanced now (but perhaps not entirely perfect). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 Yes I did. I do not understand how you can confuse "we're too one dimensional" with "Lambert is...". Lambert is becoming a liability because of the team relying so heavily on him being the playmaker when he is being marked out of the game and because he is not mobile enough to defeat the 2 on 1 situations he faces. I've seen almost all of our matches this season and I think Lambert is not being marked out of the game. His stats back this up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 Ah ok, got it. We've only previously won when other teams have switched off, or when they've been even more rubbish than usual. Got it; that explains things. Well you pushed the stats at me - not the other way round! Can't argue with stats right?! As someone once said, the table doesn't lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 Well you pushed the stats at me - not the other way round! Can't argue with stats right?! As someone once said, the table doesn't lie. I just wondered how we won 4 games this season. I'm gla to have it pointed out the reason why; thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 I've seen almost all of our matches this season and I think Lambert is not being marked out of the game. His stats back this up. My contention is that the situation is growing increasingly as the season has worn on - early doors Lambert got given much more freedom than his is being given now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 I just wondered how we won 4 games this season. I'm gla to have it pointed out the reason why; thanks. Clearly because we were the better team on the day - and your point is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 Clearly because we were the better team on the day - and your point is? Well, this is just my opinion of course. But I thought we won those games in part because of the way Lambert played. Sometimes because of the goals he scored, or set up, or just his general play. And I don't think we have another striker on our books who is half as good as he is. So I just disagree with dropping him; or that he's the reason we're not comfortably in mid-table and we should therefore change. In fact I find the suggestion of it a bit bizaare. But there we go; like I said, that's only my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
channonball Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 Some posters seem to think £6m for Lambert would be worth taking? Would you trust the current management team to replace our leading goal scorer for £6m looking at their current purchasing record? Who have they signed that really appear up to premier league standards? Arguably Clyne (pretty mistake prone) & Ramirez (£12m is looking like a lot of money right now). I honestly can't believe we spent the 6th most money in Europe in the summer and we have only got 2 players that you feel comfortable that they are in the starting line up. I honestly don't believe we would win another game this season if we led the line with Rodriguez and Mayuka. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 24 December, 2012 Share Posted 24 December, 2012 Warnock is chasing Lambert according to the Daily Mail now they have some money - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2252323/Leeds-target-Southampton-striker-Rickie-Lambert.html I can't really see him leaving Saints this season - and would he take a step down to the Championship to play for Leeds now he's made it to the Premier League. But keeping in mins he's just turned 30 if we got a great offer for him would you sell him - and how much would it take? I'd sell for £5M if we could get Lukaku for £3M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 24 December, 2012 Share Posted 24 December, 2012 I'd sell for £5M if we could get Lukaku for £3M. So would I but seeing as Chelsea bought him for £18m and loaned him out to get experience it is really rather unlikely. FFS. Think before you post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 24 December, 2012 Share Posted 24 December, 2012 I'd sell for £5M if we could get Lukaku for £3M. Why would Chelsea sell him for £3m? They wouldn't. He will be out on loan this year, probably next year as well, before becoming a figure head at Chelsea for years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Saint Posted 24 December, 2012 Share Posted 24 December, 2012 Im guessing that's a wind up. No I think he is just an idiot. The clue is in the overall lack of logic. Lambert isn't good enough for the Prem and will get us relegated but wont stay with us in the Champioship because another Prem club will snap him up!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 24 December, 2012 Share Posted 24 December, 2012 Don't want to sell but it would have to be £6m and only after we landed a replacement (who would cost more no doubt) Can't see it myself ........and it would have to be one heck of a replacement if he's to replace Rickie in the fans' hearts.....like a hat-trick on his debut, for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 24 December, 2012 Share Posted 24 December, 2012 He has 1 crap game (and he was playing out of position until Mayuka was subbed) and some are saying he should be sold! I'm sorry but I don't agree. Our squad isn't good enough to sell players as good as Lambert. That's not to say he should start every game. You play the man in form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 24 December, 2012 Share Posted 24 December, 2012 No, not atall. Read carefully what I have written and engage the brain before replying. Sometimes playing a certain player will influence how the team plays (e.g. in attack) and if a certain player is too one dimensional it will give the opposing Manager an easy job nullifying that player. How many times has Lambert scored recently or even come close? He's been great for us, but he's not delivering as a striker for us right now IMHO and that is affecting the overall team performance in attack. And how exactly do you expect him to "deliver for us as a striker"? And what striker do you think we can buy that would deliver? The man can't carry the whole team on his shoulders. Rickie would be a welcome addition to any side outside of the top 6 or 7 teams. Have you engaged your brain before writing this? Have you not thought that we are one-dimensional sometimes because most of our other players are average at best in the Prem, and Rickie gives those average players a way out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 24 December, 2012 Share Posted 24 December, 2012 The lack of footballing nouse on this thread is, frankly, astounding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 24 December, 2012 Share Posted 24 December, 2012 The lack of footballing nouse on this thread is, frankly, astounding. Just on this thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 24 December, 2012 Share Posted 24 December, 2012 I think we should sell him and be left with a strike force that has scored one league goal all season. Seriously, do we have the weakest set of strikers in this division? I think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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