Rebel Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 Warnock is chasing Lambert according to the Daily Mail now they have some money - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2252323/Leeds-target-Southampton-striker-Rickie-Lambert.html I can't really see him leaving Saints this season - and would he take a step down to the Championship to play for Leeds now he's made it to the Premier League. But keeping in mins he's just turned 30 if we got a great offer for him would you sell him - and how much would it take? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 Don't want to sell but it would have to be £6m and only after we landed a replacement (who would cost more no doubt) Can't see it myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 There's no way he would want to go to Leeds. And it would be aft if we sold him. When he doesn't play, we're much worse and would undoubtedly go down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 Don't want to sell but it would have to be £6m and only after we landed a replacement (who would cost more no doubt) Can't see it myself Out of interest, who would you suggest we buy as a replacement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 I would like to buy xavi, iniesta and messi, but that's not likely either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 Loyalty works both ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 Out of interest, who would you suggest we buy as a replacement? I said I dont want to sell and I can't see it happening, so have given it zero thought. Far from easy to replace without spending zillions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 Out of interest, who would you suggest we buy as a replacement? Grant Holt. We wouldn't notice the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 For the right price yes sell. He is fast becoming a liability as we're too one dimensional and static in attack IMO. He is far too immobile for the Prem I'm afraid and while he's been a fantastic player for the club to date, being over emotional about playing or even keeping hold of unsuitable players will be our undoing. Let's face it, he may not want to play in the Championship but if we go down that's exactly what will happen or more likely he will get an offer from a promoted club and will leave anyway. Sorry if this flies in the face of the Lambert love-in brigade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 50p and they can have him , let's see what we paid 7 million £ for a bit more often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjwills Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 I would like to buy xavi, iniesta and messi, but that's not likely either Yeah either of those but preferably that Messi chap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 For the right price yes sell. He is fast becoming a liability as we're too one dimensional and static in attack IMO. He is far too immobile for the Prem I'm afraid and while he's been a fantastic player for the club to date, being over emotional about playing or even keeping hold of unsuitable players will be our undoing. Let's face it, he may not want to play in the Championship but if we go down that's exactly what will happen or more likely he will get an offer from a promoted club and will leave anyway. Sorry if this flies in the face of the Lambert love-in brigade. Wow, wtf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 Wow, wtf. Im guessing that's a wind up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 For the right price yes sell. He is fast becoming a liability as we're too one dimensional and static in attack IMO. He is far too immobile for the Prem I'm afraid and while he's been a fantastic player for the club to date, being over emotional about playing or even keeping hold of unsuitable players will be our undoing. Let's face it, he may not want to play in the Championship but if we go down that's exactly what will happen or more likely he will get an offer from a promoted club and will leave anyway. Sorry if this flies in the face of the Lambert love-in brigade. He was not great yesterday but neither was about 9 others. You are clearly talking absolute rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 Im guessing that's a wind up. No, not atall. Read carefully what I have written and engage the brain before replying. Sometimes playing a certain player will influence how the team plays (e.g. in attack) and if a certain player is too one dimensional it will give the opposing Manager an easy job nullifying that player. How many times has Lambert scored recently or even come close? He's been great for us, but he's not delivering as a striker for us right now IMHO and that is affecting the overall team performance in attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 No, not atall. Read carefully what I have written and engage the brain before replying. Sometimes playing a certain player will influence how the team plays (e.g. in attack) and if a certain player is too one dimensional it will give the opposing Manager an easy job nullifying that player. How many times has Lambert scored recently or even come close? He's been great for us, but he's not delivering as a striker for us right now IMHO and that is affecting the overall team performance in attack. Not to mention the others in attack being rubbish? Also he didn't really play upfront yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 No, not atall. Read carefully what I have written and engage the brain before replying. No need to be rude. You're entitled to your opinion but you're not entitled to insult other posters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 Wow, wtf. I dare you to come up with a rational explanation why Lambert is not scoring, not winning headers and generally not looking bothered. The likes of SDR get slated regularly on here for a cameo appearance and yet Lambert doesn't make the grade and he is untouchable. Now to me that's worthy of a WOW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 Well I'm loathe to speak out against our talisman and the man who almost single-handedly got us to where we are now, but I can see where Saint Fan CaM is coming from. He's been found out in the PL I'm afraid. Every game I have watched recently has seen the opposition doubling up on him, so when those diagonal balls come into the box he is marked out of it and becomes completely ineffective. When was the last time he won a header in the box that lead to a goal? I can't remember. Opposing managers have all done their homework on this and have effectively snuffed out our biggest attacking threat. Without that option we appear to be pretty toothless in attack. I was his biggest fan and defended him fiercely before this season started against people who claimed he wouldn't make it in the PL, and he showed in some earlier games that he can still hit them given the right opportunities, but the level of ability among PL defenders means those opportunities have become way too few and far between for us to continue to rely on him as our main goalscoring threat. If someone like Leeds offers us silly money for him then, as long as it is re-invested wisely, we would be foolish to ignore it. I fully expect to get flamed for this but that's my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 Not to mention the others in attack being rubbish? Also he didn't really play upfront yesterday. He really did, Roger. Lambert was average yesterday; but I blame our tactics of playing floated, chipped balls up to him and having no-one around him to feed off knock-downs as much as his own individual performance. Our tactics weren't working and we had no desire to change them. And the quality of balls into our centre forward were pretty appalling all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 No need to be rude. You're entitled to your opinion but you're not entitled to insult other posters. I was not being rude - I was attempting to offset comment like "wow - wtf" which are hardly debating the issue and frankly are just trying to be dismissive of my view. If anyone thinks I'm wrong that's fine, but at least try to provide a reasoned response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 You possibly need to look at the supply he's being given, and the position he was in? The service to both forwards yesterday was non-existent, even from set pieces. He didn't have a great game yesterday, I'm not denying that, but over the course of this season he's shown that he's got what it takes to cause problems at this level. He's still our top scorer which probably tells you all you need to know. If he was sold, we'd become a rudderless ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 I was not being rude - I was attempting to offset comment like "wow - wtf" which are hardly debating the issue and frankly are just trying to be dismissive of my view. If anyone thinks I'm wrong that's fine, but at least try to provide a reasoned response. It wasn't me that said "wow wtf". Read carefully what I have written and engage the brain before replying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 Well I'm loathe to speak out against our talisman and the man who almost single-handedly got us to where we are now, but I can see where Saint Fan CaM is coming from. He's been found out in the PL I'm afraid. Every game I have watched recently has seen the opposition doubling up on him, so when those diagonal balls come into the box he is marked out of it and becomes completely ineffective. When was the last time he won a header in the box that lead to a goal? I can't remember. Opposing managers have all done their homework on this and have effectively snuffed out our biggest attacking threat. Without that option we appear to be pretty toothless in attack. I was his biggest fan and defended him fiercely before this season started against people who claimed he wouldn't make it in the PL, and he showed in some earlier games that he can still hit them given the right opportunities, but the level of ability among PL defenders means those opportunities have become way too few and far between for us to continue to rely on him as our main goalscoring threat. If someone like Leeds offers us silly money for him then, as long as it is re-invested wisely, we would be foolish to ignore it. I fully expect to get flamed for this but that's my opinion. Absolutely this - I'm glad I'm not the only one seeing this issue. For a team that supposedly wants to retain possession and keep the ball, we play an awful lot of ineffective high balls into Lambert (who sometimes either doesn't jump or run for the interception). It's not working people. I would like to keep Lambert as an option, but buy a striker 'upgrade' in January, but SRL will not want to be a bench player unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 I do wonder if the way forward for us is a partnership of J-Rod & Mayuka, with SRL as the impact sub. And yes, Mayuka was poor yesterday, but he hasn't really had a lot of game time. Too soon to sell SRL though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 You possibly need to look at the supply he's being given, and the position he was in? The service to both forwards yesterday was non-existent, even from set pieces. He didn't have a great game yesterday, I'm not denying that, but over the course of this season he's shown that he's got what it takes to cause problems at this level. He's still our top scorer which probably tells you all you need to know. If he was sold, we'd become a rudderless ship. Agree that we need better delivery from midfield into the strikers, but therein also lies a problem. Lambert dictates HOW we do that - he is too slow to run onto passes through the channels, so we aim for his head or aim for his feet when he has his back to goal and bingo, he gets found out. In terms of his goals, see when he scored them - early season - and before the good Prem Managers had a chance to find out how we ticked as a side. Either Adkins finds a solution to how we attack in the final third or we will struggle every single game from now on in I fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 For the right price yes sell. He is fast becoming a liability as we're too one dimensional and static in attack IMO. He is far too immobile for the Prem I'm afraid and while he's been a fantastic player for the club to date, being over emotional about playing or even keeping hold of unsuitable players will be our undoing. Let's face it, he may not want to play in the Championship but if we go down that's exactly what will happen or more likely he will get an offer from a promoted club and will leave anyway. Sorry if this flies in the face of the Lambert love-in brigade. Please put this in a new "Golden posts for complete and utterly clueless idiots" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 Well I'm loathe to speak out against our talisman and the man who almost single-handedly got us to where we are now, but I can see where Saint Fan CaM is coming from. He's been found out in the PL I'm afraid. Every game I have watched recently has seen the opposition doubling up on him, so when those diagonal balls come into the box he is marked out of it and becomes completely ineffective. When was the last time he won a header in the box that lead to a goal? I can't remember. Opposing managers have all done their homework on this and have effectively snuffed out our biggest attacking threat. Without that option we appear to be pretty toothless in attack. I was his biggest fan and defended him fiercely before this season started against people who claimed he wouldn't make it in the PL, and he showed in some earlier games that he can still hit them given the right opportunities, but the level of ability among PL defenders means those opportunities have become way too few and far between for us to continue to rely on him as our main goalscoring threat. If someone like Leeds offers us silly money for him then, as long as it is re-invested wisely, we would be foolish to ignore it. I fully expect to get flamed for this but that's my opinion. Fair point. I'd be tempted to agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 Lambert leave in January? Having a laugh. He's worked his whole career to getting here, why would he leave when he plays every game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 Please put this in a new "Golden posts for complete and utterly clueless idiots" Well done you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 Absolutely this - I'm glad I'm not the only one seeing this issue. For a team that supposedly wants to retain possession and keep the ball, we play an awful lot of ineffective high balls into Lambert (who sometimes either doesn't jump or run for the interception). It's not working people. I would like to keep Lambert as an option, but buy a striker 'upgrade' in January, but SRL will not want to be a bench player unfortunately. Oh dear, you really don't get it.. Yes, the teams are doubling up on lambert (and lallana for that matter) and its up to the 'team' (NA) to address; its no reflection on lamberts ability. To say Lambert is one-dimensional tells me you know little about his contribution this season; he did not play well yesterday, but that was down to our selection and players playing out of position. We bought 2 'upgrade' strikers in the summer costing £12M, and they are not fit to tie lamberts laces - so who are you suggesting, Messi ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 Saint Fan Cam is correct, sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW5 SAINT Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 It wasn't me that said "wow wtf". Read carefully what I have written and engage the brain before replying. You came up with one of the best ripostes a few posts back, but then you have to go and sink to their level by saying exactly the same thing . Head in hands thingy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 Sorry SW5 saint. I feel ashamed. Don't think too badly of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 For the right price yes sell. He is fast becoming a liability as we're too one dimensional and static in attack IMO. He is far too immobile for the Prem I'm afraid and while he's been a fantastic player for the club to date, being over emotional about playing or even keeping hold of unsuitable players will be our undoing. Let's face it, he may not want to play in the Championship but if we go down that's exactly what will happen or more likely he will get an offer from a promoted club and will leave anyway. Sorry if this flies in the face of the Lambert love-in brigade. I would not sell Lambert for the simple reason I don't believe we would get enough to bring anyone more effective in. I agree with a lot of the negative aspects about Lambert but he has pluses as well. What we need is to be far more selective when Lambert starts, Holt does not get that freedom at Norwich. Using Lambert as a second half substitute can help his game considerably, something we just don't do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 . Using Lambert as a second half substitute can help his game considerably, something we just don't do. probably because he just won't accept that. Wouldn't doubt anyone who told me that JRod was bought to replace Lambert and not understudy him, just hasn't panned out that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 He's been found out in the PL I'm afraid. Every game I have watched recently has seen the opposition doubling up on him, so when those diagonal balls come into the box he is marked out of it and becomes completely ineffective. Surely the reason they double up on him is because he's a threat. And if he's taking two opposition players out for a sizeable portion of the game, that's got to be good for us, even if he is smothered out of it a bit. Also, even in this prem year, he'd done so much more for us than score, despite the marking. We are much stronger with him than without him and I wouldn't want to see him sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 I would not sell Lambert for the simple reason I don't believe we would get enough to bring anyone more effective in. I agree with a lot of the negative aspects about Lambert but he has pluses as well. What we need is to be far more selective when Lambert starts, Holt does not get that freedom at Norwich. Using Lambert as a second half substitute can help his game considerably, something we just don't do. Grant Holt's and Rickie Lambert's PL stats this season are identical; 15 starts, 2 sub appearances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkenSaint Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 Well I'm loathe to speak out against our talisman and the man who almost single-handedly got us to where we are now, but I can see where Saint Fan CaM is coming from. He's been found out in the PL I'm afraid. Every game I have watched recently has seen the opposition doubling up on him, so when those diagonal balls come into the box he is marked out of it and becomes completely ineffective. When was the last time he won a header in the box that lead to a goal? I can't remember. Opposing managers have all done their homework on this and have effectively snuffed out our biggest attacking threat. Without that option we appear to be pretty toothless in attack. I was his biggest fan and defended him fiercely before this season started against people who claimed he wouldn't make it in the PL, and he showed in some earlier games that he can still hit them given the right opportunities, but the level of ability among PL defenders means those opportunities have become way too few and far between for us to continue to rely on him as our main goalscoring threat. If someone like Leeds offers us silly money for him then, as long as it is re-invested wisely, we would be foolish to ignore it. I fully expect to get flamed for this but that's my opinion. Tbh i agree, i really like lambo but we do not want to be relegated and having someone up front who is ineffective just does not work doesn't matter who he is. Rooney now plays more of a midfielder now for utd (in certain formations) and it works well for him but lambo isn't that type of player so we do need someone fresh upfront who works his socks off pulling wide, has a bit of pace and strength to him. Lambo lacks pace and movement which effects his game, he has the strength and does pull left at times but he isnt the complete striker we need to become successful in this league. The thing is 90% of our fans are very fickle and they want their favourite players playing all the time even if they are not effective enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 The thing is 90% of our fans are very fickle and they want their favourite players playing all the time even if they are not effective enough. Thats the opposite to being fickle. Lambert has still been better than any of our other strikers this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 Lmfao. Rickie Lambert written off after not even half a season. Superb backing of someone who has contributed so much and additionally, has been impressive since he's stepped up to the PL. If he's been "found out" and isn't good enough for the PL, then we can safely write off at least a third of all Premier League strikers as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 IF he leaves it won't be to go to a championship side. I personally think he is off in January, probably to Liverpool, and if he does go there bloody good luck to him, he deserves his chance at his boyhood club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 For the right price yes sell. He is fast becoming a liability as we're too one dimensional and static in attack IMO. He is far too immobile for the Prem I'm afraid and while he's been a fantastic player for the club to date, being over emotional about playing or even keeping hold of unsuitable players will be our undoing. Let's face it, he may not want to play in the Championship but if we go down that's exactly what will happen or more likely he will get an offer from a promoted club and will leave anyway. Sorry if this flies in the face of the Lambert love-in brigade. This suggests Lambert isn't at all one dimensional but quite the opposite. http://www.eplindex.com/23536/top-10-creators-premier-league-1213-cazorla-jumps-2nd-place.html? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 Positives of Lambert outweigh negatives. Selling your talisman halfway through a relegation fight is laughable unless David Villa is lined up. The summer perhaps depending what happens but now would be a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 The article says... ''However, the ambitions of Leeds may tempt him.'' I'd love to know how DM worked that nugget of gold out. I call BS on the whole thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restark19 Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 Can't for the life of me remember where I read it but I read an interview with Lambert saying that he loves being the man fans look to when we need a goal, hearing his chant etc. thing is there's been less of that this season. Only seem to hear 'Rickie Lambert Southampton goal machine' once a game at the most but ohh Gaston Ramirez seems to be sung every 2 minutes. Just wondering whether this could have affected his form. Gaston seems to be getting a lot of the adulation while Rickies getting less Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 Can't for the life of me remember where I read it but I read an interview with Lambert saying that he loves being the man fans look to when we need a goal, hearing his chant etc. thing is there's been less of that this season. Only seem to hear 'Rickie Lambert Southampton goal machine' once a game at the most but ohh Gaston Ramirez seems to be sung every 2 minutes. Just wondering whether this could have affected his form. Gaston seems to be getting a lot of the adulation while Rickies getting less perhaps you've hit on something there, I mean how is RL supposed to know we need a goal if the fans don't tell him so. Yep that must be it, it's the fans fault that we can't score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rshephard3 Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 Thats the opposite to being fickle. Lambert has still been better than any of our other strikers this season. Exactly. Fickle would be.. Oo our best forward has failed to drag us out of the s**t for once at home to Sunderland and I demand a new centre forward to replace him in January despite the fact he has more goals than any of our rivals centre forwards this season. That would be fickle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 Exactly. Fickle would be.. Oo our best forward has failed to drag us out of the s**t for once at home to Sunderland and I demand a new centre forward to replace him in January despite the fact he has more goals than any of our rivals centre forwards this season. That would be fickle. doesn't have more goals than Fletcher or Benteke and they're our rivals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rshephard3 Posted 23 December, 2012 Share Posted 23 December, 2012 doesn't have more goals than Fletcher or Benteke and they're our rivals. I have Villa, Wigan, QPR and Reading as our rivals. Be surprised to see Sunderland finish lower than 14th. My point is that Lambert has now proved in 3 divisions that he just doesn't miss good chances or penalties, culminating in being one of the highest scoring centre forwards in the bottom half of the premiership. He is invaluable and yesterdays drivel served up from certain midfielders at times would make even the best of forwards look mediocre, likewise at Anfield the other week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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