Horton Heath Saint Posted 22 December, 2012 Posted 22 December, 2012 There was a complete lack of passion today. We waited for the ball instead of looking for it, re Aston Villa, QPR, Newcastle. Don't think we really competed. No one really wanted it today. Ramirez keeps getting caught in possession, our midfield never created anything for our forwards today, Lambert and Mayuka didn't look a partnership. Lambert looks really frustrated at the moment. Ridder was a surprise today, is he Premiership? Think Steven Davis is just ordinary. As for the captains role, think we need a real leader in the team, someone to push the team, show passion, don't think we have that at the moment. All our recent signings are not doing enough for me. That was a relegation performance today, the players need to ask themselves if they performed to their best ability. Show some passion for the shirt.
Barry the Badger Posted 22 December, 2012 Posted 22 December, 2012 Yep, complete lack of passion, especially from the fans around me.
Dr Who? Posted 22 December, 2012 Posted 22 December, 2012 I think this goes for a lot of the teams at the bottom, but think it is so important that we take the lead. If we go behind, we do not seem to know how to turn it around. Villa aside, if we do not score the first goal, we do not seem to get a foothold or any points from the game. I think the heads of the fans drop if we do not score first as well.
Rasiak-9- Posted 22 December, 2012 Posted 22 December, 2012 I think this goes for a lot of the teams at the bottom, but think it is so important that we take the lead. If we go behind, we do not seem to know how to turn it around. Villa aside, if we do not score the first goal, we do not seem to get a foothold or any points from the game. I think the heads of the fans drop if we do not score first as well. Villa aside we have lost EVERY game in which we've conceded the opening goal. Worrying. Very worrying.
kpturner Posted 22 December, 2012 Posted 22 December, 2012 This "lack of passion" cr@p is such a tedious footballing cliche - same old nonsense tripped out after any defeat, regardless of division, regardless of opposition. That is all.
Dr Who? Posted 22 December, 2012 Posted 22 December, 2012 Villa aside we have lost EVERY game in which we've conceded the opening goal. Worrying. Very worrying. I think you will find it is the same for those around us as well.
Dr Who? Posted 22 December, 2012 Posted 22 December, 2012 This "lack of passion" cr@p is such a tedious footballing cliche - same old nonsense tripped out after any defeat, regardless of division, regardless of opposition. That is all. Yep, you just have games where you cannot seem to get it together. Beat Fulham and we will be back on track...... At least for a few days anyway.
shurlock Posted 22 December, 2012 Posted 22 December, 2012 There was plenty of effort today -its just the long ball to RL didn't work; they doubled up well on Clyne and Punch, an important outlet in recent games; Ramirez kept drifting inside first half, making us very narrow and SDR is SDR; and our brief flirtation with pace and movement stopped when Mayuka went off
The Kraken Posted 22 December, 2012 Posted 22 December, 2012 There was plenty of effort today - its just the long ball to RL didn't work; they doubled up well on Clyne and Punch, an important outlet in recent games; Ramirez kept drifting inside first half, making us very narrow and SDR is SDR; and our brief flirtation with pace and movement stopped when Mayuka went off Given that this much was fairly obvious from quite an early point, I'm minded to ask why we didn't realise this and try something else? Time and again we kept chipping it up to Lambert, he was most often marked by a couple of defenders, yet we kept trying it over and over and over again. The actual quality of delivery to him was pretty poor in itself, but trying it again and again was just getting us nowhere.
Turkish Posted 22 December, 2012 Posted 22 December, 2012 Given that this much was fairly obvious from quite an early point, I'm minded to ask why we didn't realise this and try something else? Time and again we kept chipping it up to Lambert, he was most often marked by a couple of defenders, yet we kept trying it over and over and over again. The actual quality of delivery to him was pretty poor in itself, but trying it again and again was just getting us nowhere. It was L1/1987 tactics. I hate to say it but it was. So basic. A chip into the big man and try to pick up the empties. Except Mayuka ss nowhere near Lambert for most of the game and miles away from picking up a flick on. Anytime anoything with guile was attempted it was snuffed out or played to player on another wave length with no clever run or movement.
shurlock Posted 22 December, 2012 Posted 22 December, 2012 Given that this much was fairly obvious from quite an early point, I'm minded to ask why we didn't realise this and try something else? Time and again we kept chipping it up to Lambert, he was most often marked by a couple of defenders, yet we kept trying it over and over and over again. The actual quality of delivery to him was pretty poor in itself, but trying it again and again was just getting us nowhere. For all the hyperbole and propaganda about the southampton way, the direct ball to RL is pretty core to the way we play -first under Pards and then carried on by NA. That said, better delivery might have made a difference - and nobody was really gambling on the 50/50s or getting close enough to Lambert in the box. Guly's shot at the end -which came off bits and pieces- was an exception. Ramirez has to be much more decisive and aggressive when playing off Lambert's knock downs. He seems to hover in positions in and around the box.
The Kraken Posted 22 December, 2012 Posted 22 December, 2012 For all the hyperbole and propaganda about the southampton way, the direct ball to RL is pretty core to the way we play -first under Pards and then carried on by NA. That said, better delivery might have made a difference - and nobody was really gambling on the 50/50s or getting close enough to Lambert in the box. Guly's shot at the end -which came off bits and pieces- was an exception. Ramirez has to be much more decisive and aggressive when playing off Lambert's knock downs. He seems to hover in positions in and around the box. My God, how true is that. It was so frustrating; not just that a hopeful punt was played up to Lambert, but that he so often had no-one else in and around him working off the fact that he might be able to win it and get the ball to them.
Dr Who? Posted 22 December, 2012 Posted 22 December, 2012 My God, how true is that. It was so frustrating; not just that a hopeful punt was played up to Lambert, but that he so often had no-one else in and around him working off the fact that he might be able to win it and get the ball to them. Please tell me we are not still playing that hopeful diagonal ball into the box for Lambert to knock down? It worked well in the championship, but not now!
BadgerBadger Posted 22 December, 2012 Posted 22 December, 2012 I couldn't wait to leave the ground today - all in all the whole match day experience was gash, football lost it's mojo for me today.
The Kraken Posted 22 December, 2012 Posted 22 December, 2012 Please tell me we are not still playing that hopeful diagonal ball into the box for Lambert to knock down? It worked well in the championship, but not now! Were you not there today? We must have played it more than 20 times throughout the game. Painful.
shurlock Posted 22 December, 2012 Posted 22 December, 2012 Please tell me we are not still playing that hopeful diagonal ball into the box for Lambert to knock down? It worked well in the championship, but not now! At least the diagonal ball attempted to exploit a height mismatch with the fullback. Today's balls were much flatter and were gobbled up by the two CBs.
Thedelldays Posted 22 December, 2012 Posted 22 December, 2012 I bet we try that at stoke....which is be hilarious
shurlock Posted 22 December, 2012 Posted 22 December, 2012 I bet we try that at stoke....which is be hilarious
Micky Posted 23 December, 2012 Posted 23 December, 2012 I bet we try that at stoke....which is be hilarious Two teams hoofing the ball at each other for 30 quid a throw, 'kin great value for money... my how I luv the prem league.
Rasiak-9- Posted 23 December, 2012 Posted 23 December, 2012 I think you will find it is the same for those around us as well. It is only similar for Wigan, aside from their victory against Reading in which they came from a goal down to win, but apart from them, even Reading and QPR have managed to gain more points than us having conceded the opener and done so in quite a few games. We've conceded the opening goal in 9 games this season and 8 times out of those 9 we haven't been able to salvage a single point. That should be a concern. Conceding the opener should not mean that the game is as good as lost 90% of the time. We obviously do have a weakness in terms of teams finding it easy to defend a lead against us.
Saint_clark Posted 23 December, 2012 Posted 23 December, 2012 Please tell me we are not still playing that hopeful diagonal ball into the box for Lambert to knock down? It worked well in the championship, but not now! Worked well against United. Difference today is we were playing it against John O'Shea rather than a midget full back.
sotonjoe Posted 24 December, 2012 Posted 24 December, 2012 Can't expect passion from players when fans can't be arsed.
The9 Posted 24 December, 2012 Posted 24 December, 2012 This "lack of passion" cr@p is such a tedious footballing cliche - same old nonsense tripped out after any defeat, regardless of division, regardless of opposition. That is all. Absolutely agree, it's nothing to do with passion, and all about effort and motivation.
The9 Posted 24 December, 2012 Posted 24 December, 2012 For all the hyperbole and propaganda about the southampton way, the direct ball to RL is pretty core to the way we play -first under Pards and then carried on by NA. That said, better delivery might have made a difference - and nobody was really gambling on the 50/50s or getting close enough to Lambert in the box. Guly's shot at the end -which came off bits and pieces- was an exception. Ramirez has to be much more decisive and aggressive when playing off Lambert's knock downs. He seems to hover in positions in and around the box. I've only missed two league matches this season and I think you're massively overstating the use of the long ball to Lambert. Didn't go on Saturday but we've only used that excessively in maybe 2 matches this season and Man U was one of those, because it was actually working. Most matches we play it low and link him in the build up but standing it up at the far post or generally whacking it at him isn't something we've done much this season.
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