CanadaSaint Posted 26 December, 2012 Share Posted 26 December, 2012 I'm not sure why you're surprised. It was only 8 months ago this forum told us Kelvin Davis should be the England goalkeeper. Why does pretty much everything you post have this air of "I'm smarter than the rest of you"? It's childish, wearing and highly misplaced. Anyway, WRT Ramirez I think he's the kind of player who's accustomed to having his club side built around him, whereas here he's being used more as a cog in the wheel. It'll take time for him to find his niche within that set-up, all the more so if NA keeps changing his role around, depending on the game and our injury situation. The quality we'd expect for that kind of money has certainly been there in flashes but we need to see a lot more of it. His shot today was superb, but he needs to pick this side up and carry it, especially over the next eight weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 26 December, 2012 Share Posted 26 December, 2012 Lallana is more consistent, Gaston is probably the better player IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Reece Posted 26 December, 2012 Share Posted 26 December, 2012 thats strange you think that as according to solent he had a very poor game and wasnt at the races at all To be fair, I was at the game and thought he had a cracking game BUT that was when played in his proper position.. behind the striker! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 26 December, 2012 Share Posted 26 December, 2012 To be fair, I was at the game and thought he had a cracking game BUT that was when played in his proper position.. behind the striker! It does seem strange to lose Lallana and then shift our other most creative player into a position where he is less effective so having two positional changes rather than just one. Why not keep Ramirez where is he is best and simply get Guly, Rodriguez or Mayuka to put a shift in on the left, even if they are not overly effective as long as they are steady and at least we've got our best available players playing in their best positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Reece Posted 26 December, 2012 Share Posted 26 December, 2012 It does seem strange to lose Lallana and then shift our other most creative player into a position where he is less effective so having two positional changes rather than just one. Why not keep Ramirez where is he is best and simply get Guly, Rodriguez or Mayuka to put a shift in on the left, even if they are not overly effective as long as they are steady and at least we've got our best available players playing in their best positions. Agree with you completely. I really do find what Nige does sometimes bizzare, everybody can see where Gaston is most effective but NA wants to keep trotting out his 'He plays there for Uruguay' He needs to play where he can influence the game most for us which is in the MIDDLE not on the left, personally I would be tempted for Guly or JR to put put out there for Stoke and hopefully we will get some proper winger cover come January, still positive Ramirez will be worth all the money :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colbury Posted 26 December, 2012 Share Posted 26 December, 2012 I'm not sure why you're surprised. It was only 8 months ago this forum told us Kelvin Davis should be the England goalkeeper. That's not surprising considering Davis was part of our L1 promotion winning side who, according to this forum, were better than England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colehillsaint Posted 26 December, 2012 Share Posted 26 December, 2012 Think the last two games have shown Lallana is more of an asset than Ramirez The times this season when we have started to properly tick have been when we have had both of them, and JP. I really hope AL comes back to fitness soon. It's hard to see us being able to lure in suitable cover as well. How quickly he comes back and can regain some form is critical for us this season I think. I hope Ramirez stays fit in the mean time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 26 December, 2012 Share Posted 26 December, 2012 Crouch is costing Stoke up to 12m as someone said they hadnt spent that money on anyone. I think the last two games have been average allround so hard to judge just on those. If you picked Newcastle and Villa at home it would be the opposite opinion. He is 21, learning a new style of football and had had a stop start time due to injury and the personal stuff. Ramirez is the least of our worries. Still not sure what Crouch has to do with this thread, but matters not. 'I think the last two games have been average allround so hard to judge just on those.' - it matters as the rest of the players didn't cost us £12m, hence the title of this thread. 21 isn't particularly young in this day and age, not too far off his peak, but yes, he can take a while to settle. 'Ramirez is the least of our worries' - again look at the title of this thread. How many other players have we gambled such a large amount of money on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 26 December, 2012 Share Posted 26 December, 2012 This might be laughed at but Gaston doesn't seem like good value because he is to good for us,put him in a team with better players and he would seem a snip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restark19 Posted 26 December, 2012 Share Posted 26 December, 2012 It does seem strange to lose Lallana and then shift our other most creative player into a position where he is less effective so having two positional changes rather than just one. Why not keep Ramirez where is he is best and simply get Guly, Rodriguez or Mayuka to put a shift in on the left, even if they are not overly effective as long as they are steady and at least we've got our best available players playing in their best positions. This. Absolutely right, tbh I hope Guly starts against Stoke and has a good game, he's a good player just needs our bellend fans to stop slating him although that's the in thing to do now a days, slag off our own player as we no fuk all about football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 26 December, 2012 Share Posted 26 December, 2012 It does seem strange to lose Lallana and then shift our other most creative player into a position where he is less effective so having two positional changes rather than just one. Why not keep Ramirez where is he is best and simply get Guly, Rodriguez or Mayuka to put a shift in on the left, even if they are not overly effective as long as they are steady and at least we've got our best available players playing in their best positions. Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 26 December, 2012 Share Posted 26 December, 2012 He is 21, learning a new style of football and had had a stop start time due to injury and the personal stuff. He's 22 now by the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 27 December, 2012 Share Posted 27 December, 2012 Not yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 27 December, 2012 Share Posted 27 December, 2012 (edited) He's 22 now by the way ... Edited 27 December, 2012 by The Kraken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 27 December, 2012 Share Posted 27 December, 2012 Just looked at a footy stats site to see Gaston's record before he came to SMS & saw that yesterday's game was only his 100th league appearance. Not a lot for a guy who reportedly cost us £12 millon. He's had a bit of a mixed bag since arriving with injury, the death of a family member & now being shunted around positionally. Give him a good run in his best position, in a settled side & I'm sure he'll come good. The ability is there in abundance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 27 December, 2012 Share Posted 27 December, 2012 Although gaston came to us surrounded with a bit of hype (I have to admit I'd never heard of him) he hasn't really lived up to that hype or his price tag and has been average at best. He has shown flashes of what could be but not enough to justify his full 90 minutes in the last few games. I'm sure he will come good but I fear we probably won't see the full repertoire of his abilities and I suspect he was probably bought as an investment rather than a long term commitment. All IMO of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 December, 2012 Share Posted 27 December, 2012 Just looked at a footy stats site to see Gaston's record before he came to SMS & saw that yesterday's game was only his 100th league appearance. Not a lot for a guy who reportedly cost us £12 millon. He's had a bit of a mixed bag since arriving with injury' date=' the death of a family member & now being shunted around positionally. Give him a good run in his best position, in a settled side & I'm sure he'll come good. The ability is there in abundance.[/quote'] 100 appearances, most of them in Serie A isn't bad for a lad just turned 22!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 27 December, 2012 Share Posted 27 December, 2012 Nobody else in our squad could have done the bit of skill, nutmeg and shot that Gaston hit yesterday - absolute class. Play him in the centre and we will get the rewards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 27 December, 2012 Share Posted 27 December, 2012 This. Absolutely right, tbh I hope Guly starts against Stoke and has a good game, he's a good player just needs our bellend fans to stop slating him although that's the in thing to do now a days, slag off our own player as we no fuk all about football. I don't dislike guly but how many appearances has he gone without a goal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 27 December, 2012 Share Posted 27 December, 2012 Nobody else in our squad could have done the bit of skill, nutmeg and shot that Gaston hit yesterday - absolute class. Play him in the centre and we will get the rewards. Nonsense, Puncheon produced a couple of nutmegs in the very same game yesterday and the shot was hardly in the Le Tiss class. It should have been a comfortable save but the keeper made a pigs ear out of it. Personally I think Lallana, Puncheon, and Lambert could have done it, and Guly has been known to produce the occasional nutmeg. I keep hearing he's absolute class, but from what I've seen he's been very average and if we hadn't paid so much money for him would have had a spell warming his arse on the bench by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 27 December, 2012 Author Share Posted 27 December, 2012 Nonsense, Puncheon produced a couple of nutmegs in the very same game yesterday and the shot was hardly in the Le Tiss class. It should have been a comfortable save but the keeper made a pigs ear out of it. Personally I think Lallana, Puncheon, and Lambert could have done it, and Guly has been known to produce the occasional nutmeg. I keep hearing he's absolute class, but from what I've seen he's been very average and if we hadn't paid so much money for him would have had a spell warming his arse on the bench by now. this is true. talented player but not performing at the level we would expect at the moment for whatever reason to early to write him off though. Hope I'm wrong but I think this signing will come back to haunt Us either when we are in the championship trying to 're- coup our debts or when we go to sell him and find we get nowhere near what we paid. I guess they deemed that putting all our bets on one player was worth the gamble rather than buying two or three cheaper but proven in the premiership players that would have sorted the defence and a midfield organizer with true grit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 27 December, 2012 Share Posted 27 December, 2012 yes and he will only get better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 27 December, 2012 Share Posted 27 December, 2012 Tosh, from what I have seen of him his brain and class is better than anyone else in the team. Its far too early to say whether or not he is worth the outlay, for if his undoubted class suddenly clicks and fires us into safety in the second half of the season then I think ge would be easily worth it. The why didnt we spend X on X more players isnt right either, it looks to me that this deal was an extra, outside of what we were trying to achieve in the summer, a marquee signing, Im sure if we hadnt captured him we wouldnt have seen the 12 mil spent in other areas. He is streets ahead of Lallana and Punch in terms of a brain, and although Lambert has IMO arguably a brain that could perhaps match his ATM he just has not got the skill or mobility. Ramirez will be a top top player, perhaps not here, but he will be. He has just signed from seria A which is a completely different football philosophy to what we play here and although he plays out wide for Uraguay he seems more isolated for us in that position, playing him through the middle could pay dividends, you just need someone to step up and balance that left side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 27 December, 2012 Author Share Posted 27 December, 2012 Tosh, from what I have seen of him his brain and class is better than anyone else in the team. Its far too early to say whether or not he is worth the outlay, for if his undoubted class suddenly clicks and fires us into safety in the second half of the season then I think ge would be easily worth it. The why didnt we spend X on X more players isnt right either, it looks to me that this deal was an extra, outside of what we were trying to achieve in the summer, a marquee signing, Im sure if we hadnt captured him we wouldnt have seen the 12 mil spent in other areas. He is streets ahead of Lallana and Punch in terms of a brain, and although Lambert has IMO arguably a brain that could perhaps match his ATM he just has not got the skill or mobility. Ramirez will be a top top player, perhaps not here, but he will be. He has just signed from seria A which is a completely different football philosophy to what we play here and although he plays out wide for Uraguay he seems more isolated for us in that position, playing him through the middle could pay dividends, you just need someone to step up and balance that left sIde. you certainly said this with a smirk Lallana is currently adding far more to the team than Ramirez he actually seems a pivotal player in changing a game whereas I've yet to see that from Ramirez not saying he can't prove me wrong for rest of the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 27 December, 2012 Share Posted 27 December, 2012 you certainly said this with a smirk Lallana is currently adding far more to the team than Ramirez he actually seems a pivotal player in changing a game whereas I've yet to see that from Ramirez not saying he can't prove me wrong for rest of the season Um, not really a Smork when I said it I agree that Lallana adds more to the team ATM then Ramirez, but I think us missing Lallana is compounded by our lack of an adequate option on the left allowing Gaston to play in the whole where I think he is better. I love Lallana as much as the next Saints fan but unless he develops decent pace or a real predatory brain (he so often runs into blind alleys or makes the wrong decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 27 December, 2012 Author Share Posted 27 December, 2012 Um, not really a Smork when I said it I agree that Lallana adds more to the team ATM then Ramirez, but I think us missing Lallana is compounded by our lack of an adequate option on the left allowing Gaston to play in the whole where I think he is better. I love Lallana as much as the next Saints fan but unless he develops decent pace or a real predatory brain (he so often runs into blind alleys or makes the wrong decision. I Agree lallana can be frustrating in his decisions but at least he has an eye for goal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 27 December, 2012 Share Posted 27 December, 2012 I Agree lallana can be frustrating in his decisions but at least he has an eye for goal True, we just need more in the final third I think, watching us our issue isnt taking chances really, its just a lack of creating them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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